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Maddie · Sep 29, 2005, 09:38 AM // 09:38

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Originally Posted by Nisha

Keys do drop from monsters, I was in a group last night in Sorrow's Furnace and saw a Mine's Key drop for one of my party members. It's the only one I've ever seen though...
On a side note, when I first bought the keys I thought they'd work for all or at least more than one chest! Boy was I disappointed for 600g...

Hmm I think I might consider me under the lucky ppl around here since i have got 5 key drops so far!!
It might sound unrealistic.. but it's true. I can't say else than that some ppl have more luck than other. I have not seen a black dye for ages.

Sagius Truthbarron · Sep 29, 2005, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Frezak_bloodbath

Yeh, GW is now a casino game... Great.... And of course it is only really useful for those with loads of cash, as opposed to those saving up for a Guild hall (me)

I wish people would stop using this termanology. You ALWAYS get something that you can sell back for atleast 300-600 gold in Lion's Arch. And even the things you can have trouble selling can be sold back to the trader for 200-300 gold.

I have made over 70k on chests. The only people who could possibly compare these chests to slot machines are those who compulsively buy 10+ keys and then sell everything that they didn't think was magnificent back to the trader.

These people were probably already idiotic "BIG MONEY BIG MONEY IM GONNA WIN!" addicts to fortune in the first place and it's no suprise that they waste their "life savings" on something equally as trivial in fiction, too.

When I first opened a chest I had 6k gold. By the end of the night I had 70+k. It wasn't luck that got me 64k: It was my ability to buy a key for 600 gold, open a chest, find a Gold Max Damage Weapon (Which Gold weapons and armor are the ONLY things that drop from chests in the Southern Shiverpeaks) or a Superior Vigor/Monk/Ele Rune and eithe sell that weapon back for 600 gold to buy a new key or sell that rune for 6-40k.

That's how you make money. You charge a cheap price for high end items. You got it basically for free, you give it away basically for free.

This is going to sound very blunt, but those who are too dumb to know how to keep some of their money stashed away, to not be fussy about sell-back prices and ABOVE ALL ELSE realise that money isn't very important at all in this game shouldn't and DO NOT need it.

Slimcea · Sep 29, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23

If you managed to get all gold drops for you, then you're one heck of a lucky person. My last 4 Shiverpeak chests were all purples, and quite frankly, I've yet to see anyone willing to buy a purple for any price above merchant value. So no, golds are not the only things that drop from chests in Southern Shiverpeaks.

It still boils down to the same thing no matter what - if you're lucky, like Sagius, even if you don't do anything, you'll get wealthy. If you're a normal person, or even say unlucky like me, this is simply a loss-making venture no matter how you look at it.

The Crohns Killah · Sep 29, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

I love to go hunting around for chest bc i always get a gold and purple items mostly gold and i turn around a sell them for at least 1k ive made a killing with keys

I buy shiverpeak keys and farm around grenths (section near SF) it has the best stuff and the stone summit drop keys pretty often for me at least

maybe im just lucky but im not stopping with my chest hunting its fun passes time and i make tons of money and find good weapons.

Also it gives me something else to do while farming bosses near there for green items

If anyone is interested in some green gold and purple items my guild wars name is Keegan The McGarity and i usually have a green or gold just whisper me and ill see what ive got to sell

Battle Torn · Oct 10, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14

I tried to search for this topic but found nothing...and I know I cant be the only one who has noticed this.

I just wanted to ask if anyone else has noticed the following inside sorrows...

If 1st person gets a purple from chest then you all do

If 1st gets a gold from chest you all do

I dont open a chest if the first person gets purple, I just wait for a gold.

This has worked for me many times and although the drops are random I ALWAYS get gold once the first person does, and I ALWAYS get purple if the first person does. Ive been doing this for weeks now and it never fails and Ive been giving away gold items to my guild frequently.

Now I know some ppl are going to start with the 'its a random drop you idiot' but try it first then let me know Im right.

Try it before posting and telling me Im wrong like some ppl in the game.... just open the chest see if you all get the same colour all the time then make your own mind up.

unienaule · Oct 12, 2005, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Yes, it's like Battle Torn says. For anyone who says opposite, try doing Orozar for weeks. That teaches you a lot of stuff you didn't know before.

istole somonesname · Oct 12, 2005, 10:42 AM // 10:42

First off if your going to do chest hunting I suggest you do it in sorrows furnace. Within one day I got 2 req 8 gold chaos axes and a req 9. I sold the req 8's un'id for 90K each and the req 9 for 70K.

Shiverpeak chests tend to drop a lot of purples and you end up throwing your money away. If you do decided to do it I suggest doing in the port sledge area and doing it.

Mistress Develion · Oct 12, 2005, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Ive spent 6k on keys and have had a return of about 155k *shrugs*

kawaii_bat · Oct 12, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by thirtypercent

key should not be available at merchants. only mobs should drop them

Keys drop like dyes for me. If they where only available as drops I wouldn't get anything! T_T Up to date since SF patch (3 key drops 1 ascalonian, 1 Krytan and 1 Phantom).

They don't drop often enough!

Wolvine · Oct 12, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

I must be one of the lucky ones with the chests as I collected a gold hammer with the following stats in the ice caves mission

Max Damage Hammer
+20% on enchantments
Vampiric +5 health Steal
- 1 health

One of the best PVP weapons I have found also I Have found a near perfect chaos sundering axe and over 6 superior runes

and I seem to get keys dropped buy monsters more often than gold items dont figure maybe I was born under a lucky star

Wolvine

ChoKILLate[FDG] · Oct 13, 2005, 05:52 PM // 17:52

I have gotten golds once others have gotten puple and I have gotten purples after others have gotten gold, however, it does usually work like Battle Torn and others have stated.

Vilaptca · Oct 13, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

I usually see it that 6/8 of the people in the group get a purple, and 2 get golds, but lately its been more 50/50...so I actually buy keys more now because they seemed to have increased the chance of getting rares from them...though I did waste 6k on keys and got absolutely nothing good with all of them...mostly rares, but horrible mods...

istole somonesname · Oct 13, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by Vilaptca

I usually see it that 6/8 of the people in the group get a purple, and 2 get golds, but lately its been more 50/50...so I actually buy keys more now because they seemed to have increased the chance of getting rares from them...though I did waste 6k on keys and got absolutely nothing good with all of them...mostly rares, but horrible mods...

Actually if one person get a purple then everyone that opens that chet will get a purple. If the first person gets a gold then everyone will get a gold.

Vilaptca · Oct 13, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56

If this is something new then say so, because I have NEVER in my entire playing seen this with the new key chests. NEVER EVER. I know they upped rares in that one patch, but nope...still never seen this. I'm just posting what I've seen, you can't argue with me that I didn't see it...

Granted, I have not played with anyone in game, but henchmen for the past week, so if something was changed recently I probably wouldn't know...

Anways, looked at the patch notes...

Update - Thursday, September 22

Fixed problems with random positioning of locked chests.

Improved distribution of rare items in locked chests so that most players will get more rare items.

I guess that could have done it, but I have played with groups since then and have not noticed what you are describing, and typically with groups, we make a big spectacle out of opening the chests, you can also read what they pick up, and no...not once have I been in a group and the whole group got either rares or purples. I have noticed more people getting rares from chests since the first introduction of chests, but not in the way you are saying.

Wolvine · Oct 14, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50

I must admit from experience last night that first item from the chest is usually the colour from that chest i.e. purple means mostly purple and gold means mostly gold items as my group last night got 6 gold items form i chest outside augry rock

=HT=Ingram · Oct 14, 2005, 12:46 PM // 12:46

the reason the keys are so high is cause just like everything else. NO ONE is selling them back to NPCs. And because the chests are getting farmed to DEATH the drop quality is falling... Sooner or later people will STOP that and it will balance out again. 90% of the chests in shiver peeks are farmed out for most players. only dropping purple items at best... luckily I don't farm much so I still get a good drop on occasion,

We still see a gold drop on occasion in magmua too. go figure...

Keys will come down when people start selling them back to NPCs, just like Dyes and Runes do. Same with Superior Salvage and ID kits. right now they are too high for value. its cheaper to get Expert kits for same number of uses... just uses more slots is all... I personally think the kits should be fixed prices. not market driven... but that's me... kits are different from keys... they are generally not abused. they are used and NEVER sold back, and I don't think I have ever seen one drop anywhere.... so that didn't make a lot of since to me... Keys do drop though thus market commodity.

Remember the Keys were made to force a penalty for people doing chest farming. This was to discourage this kind of behavior. and ensure a drop for those willing to get a key for the area. (that was the other complaint, chests that didn't drop anything for people in a group)

Also remember the definition of RARE??? that means not everyone has one right? sheesh... If they made it easy to get, it wouldn't be RARE would it?

Wait till you see the RED UNIQUE class they are looking into. That means 1 per account, never to be found again by that player. period!!! Its a lot like a PvP item, in that it will not even go into a trade window. so its not sellable either.

Epinephrine · Oct 14, 2005, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by =HT=Ingram

the reason the keys are so high is cause just like everything else. NO ONE is selling them back to NPCs. And because the chests are getting farmed to DEATH the drop quality is falling... Sooner or later people will STOP that and it will balance out again. 90% of the chests in shiver peeks are farmed out for most players. only dropping purple items at best... luckily I don't farm much so I still get a good drop on occasion,

This is just wrong. Items that appear on a merchant's "buy" screen have values fixed in game, and don't fluctuate. You'll never get a slavage kit, a rune of holding or an ID kit any cheaper, no matter what happens economically. Same with keys; they are a fixed price item.

toddmalcolm · Oct 14, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

for the past month i have spent a fortune on keys and had a very poor return, last night though in the space of half an hour i got two sup vigor runes. so i guess i cant complain too much....a quick 100k...its all luck, sometimes u have and most of the time u dont.

Stormwindz · Oct 14, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06

lol i bought onli 5 shiverpeaks keys used all and i got a return of 200k+ unlocked 2 sundering axe hafts 10/10 and a sup absorption

Volarian · Oct 14, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

A few things, I'm not discounting what people are saying they're seeing but rather stating fact from my own experience:
1. Group of 8 going thru Fire Island missions, one person opens chest and gets a purple..........ALL remaining 7 party members as well get PURPLE.
2. No possible way someone uses 6 keys, gets 6 purple items be them armour or weapons and only gets a return of 155g(ooops just reread that post...he said 155K

, unless they're all armours - minor runes that the player then salvages and sells to trader for 25g each!! Why do that when selling the armour with rune id'd for 100+ gold every time??

I too have spent plenty of money on keys in the hopes of getting a nice drop, primarily a gold armour for a Sup Vig type loot and the balance of what you spend versus what you may reap....WAY off.
Ex: In this case I'm using the merchants pricing as comparison rather than what I may be able to get from another player because that's purely speculative.
So I get a gold fire wand, max dmg which after being ID'd only has +5 nrg while health is +50%. Next I get a gold Mursaat hammer, mx dmg, dmg+15% while health is +50%, and health +28. The hammer is still mod-able one time as is or to replace the mods it has.
Merchant price on the Wand is 468g
Merchat price on Hammer 280g

Don't know bout anyone else out there, but from in-game experience with selling/buying that Hammer with the stats it has and the ability to upgrade the health to perfect AND add another mod on top of what it's base is....would make this weapon easily 10x more valuable than an un-modifiable wand<---regardless of the +5 nrg.

Oct 10, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14	#125
Battle Torn Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Scotland Profession: W/Mo	sorrows furnace chests trick I tried to search for this topic but found nothing...and I know I cant be the only one who has noticed this. I just wanted to ask if anyone else has noticed the following inside sorrows... If 1st person gets a purple from chest then you all do If 1st gets a gold from chest you all do I dont open a chest if the first person gets purple, I just wait for a gold. This has worked for me many times and although the drops are random I ALWAYS get gold once the first person does, and I ALWAYS get purple if the first person does. Ive been doing this for weeks now and it never fails and Ive been giving away gold items to my guild frequently. Now I know some ppl are going to start with the 'its a random drop you idiot' but try it first then let me know Im right. Try it before posting and telling me Im wrong like some ppl in the game.... just open the chest see if you all get the same colour all the time then make your own mind up. Last edited by Battle Torn; Oct 18, 2005 at 07:32 PM // 19:32..

Oct 13, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56	#134
Vilaptca Pre-Searing Vanquisher Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	If this is something new then say so, because I have NEVER in my entire playing seen this with the new key chests. NEVER EVER. I know they upped rares in that one patch, but nope...still never seen this. I'm just posting what I've seen, you can't argue with me that I didn't see it... Granted, I have not played with anyone in game, but henchmen for the past week, so if something was changed recently I probably wouldn't know... Anways, looked at the patch notes... Update - Thursday, September 22 Fixed problems with random positioning of locked chests. Improved distribution of rare items in locked chests so that most players will get more rare items. I guess that could have done it, but I have played with groups since then and have not noticed what you are describing, and typically with groups, we make a big spectacle out of opening the chests, you can also read what they pick up, and no...not once have I been in a group and the whole group got either rares or purples. I have noticed more people getting rares from chests since the first introduction of chests, but not in the way you are saying. Last edited by Vilaptca; Oct 13, 2005 at 09:12 PM // 21:12.. Reason: I felt I was a bit harsh...

Oct 14, 2005, 12:46 PM // 12:46	#136
=HT=Ingram Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage Alaska Guild: Haz Team [HT] Profession: R/W	the reason the keys are so high is cause just like everything else. NO ONE is selling them back to NPCs. And because the chests are getting farmed to DEATH the drop quality is falling... Sooner or later people will STOP that and it will balance out again. 90% of the chests in shiver peeks are farmed out for most players. only dropping purple items at best... luckily I don't farm much so I still get a good drop on occasion, We still see a gold drop on occasion in magmua too. go figure... Keys will come down when people start selling them back to NPCs, just like Dyes and Runes do. Same with Superior Salvage and ID kits. right now they are too high for value. its cheaper to get Expert kits for same number of uses... just uses more slots is all... I personally think the kits should be fixed prices. not market driven... but that's me... kits are different from keys... they are generally not abused. they are used and NEVER sold back, and I don't think I have ever seen one drop anywhere.... so that didn't make a lot of since to me... Keys do drop though thus market commodity. Remember the Keys were made to force a penalty for people doing chest farming. This was to discourage this kind of behavior. and ensure a drop for those willing to get a key for the area. (that was the other complaint, chests that didn't drop anything for people in a group) Also remember the definition of RARE??? that means not everyone has one right? sheesh... If they made it easy to get, it wouldn't be RARE would it? Wait till you see the RED UNIQUE class they are looking into. That means 1 per account, never to be found again by that player. period!!! Its a lot like a PvP item, in that it will not even go into a trade window. so its not sellable either. Last edited by =HT=Ingram; Oct 14, 2005 at 01:04 PM // 13:04..

Sep 29, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23	#123
Slimcea Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2005	If you managed to get all gold drops for you, then you're one heck of a lucky person. My last 4 Shiverpeak chests were all purples, and quite frankly, I've yet to see anyone willing to buy a purple for any price above merchant value. So no, golds are not the only things that drop from chests in Southern Shiverpeaks. It still boils down to the same thing no matter what - if you're lucky, like Sagius, even if you don't do anything, you'll get wealthy. If you're a normal person, or even say unlucky like me, this is simply a loss-making venture no matter how you look at it.

Sep 29, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04	#124
The Crohns Killah Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Legio De Mortis Profession: W/Mo	I love to go hunting around for chest bc i always get a gold and purple items mostly gold and i turn around a sell them for at least 1k ive made a killing with keys I buy shiverpeak keys and farm around grenths (section near SF) it has the best stuff and the stone summit drop keys pretty often for me at least maybe im just lucky but im not stopping with my chest hunting its fun passes time and i make tons of money and find good weapons. Also it gives me something else to do while farming bosses near there for green items If anyone is interested in some green gold and purple items my guild wars name is Keegan The McGarity and i usually have a green or gold just whisper me and ill see what ive got to sell

Oct 12, 2005, 10:32 AM // 10:32	#126
unienaule I dunt even get "Retired" Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	Yes, it's like Battle Torn says. For anyone who says opposite, try doing Orozar for weeks. That teaches you a lot of stuff you didn't know before.

Oct 12, 2005, 10:42 AM // 10:42	#127
istole somonesname Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: Mo/W	First off if your going to do chest hunting I suggest you do it in sorrows furnace. Within one day I got 2 req 8 gold chaos axes and a req 9. I sold the req 8's un'id for 90K each and the req 9 for 70K. Shiverpeak chests tend to drop a lot of purples and you end up throwing your money away. If you do decided to do it I suggest doing in the port sledge area and doing it.

Oct 12, 2005, 12:41 PM // 12:41	#128
Mistress Develion Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: GRZL Profession: R/Me	Ive spent 6k on keys and have had a return of about 155k shrugs

Oct 12, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26	#130
Wolvine Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA/European Server Guild: HELL Profession: W/	I must be one of the lucky ones with the chests as I collected a gold hammer with the following stats in the ice caves mission Max Damage Hammer +20% on enchantments Vampiric +5 health Steal - 1 health One of the best PVP weapons I have found also I Have found a near perfect chaos sundering axe and over 6 superior runes and I seem to get keys dropped buy monsters more often than gold items dont figure maybe I was born under a lucky star Wolvine

Oct 13, 2005, 05:52 PM // 17:52	#131
ChoKILLate[FDG] Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: [FDG]-Fudge Profession: Mo/Me	I have gotten golds once others have gotten puple and I have gotten purples after others have gotten gold, however, it does usually work like Battle Torn and others have stated.

Oct 13, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06	#132
Vilaptca Pre-Searing Vanquisher Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	I usually see it that 6/8 of the people in the group get a purple, and 2 get golds, but lately its been more 50/50...so I actually buy keys more now because they seemed to have increased the chance of getting rares from them...though I did waste 6k on keys and got absolutely nothing good with all of them...mostly rares, but horrible mods...

Oct 14, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50	#135
Wolvine Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA/European Server Guild: HELL Profession: W/	I must admit from experience last night that first item from the chest is usually the colour from that chest i.e. purple means mostly purple and gold means mostly gold items as my group last night got 6 gold items form i chest outside augry rock

Oct 14, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53	#138
toddmalcolm Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: aussie yobos Profession: R/E	for the past month i have spent a fortune on keys and had a very poor return, last night though in the space of half an hour i got two sup vigor runes. so i guess i cant complain too much....a quick 100k...its all luck, sometimes u have and most of the time u dont.

Oct 14, 2005, 03:06 PM // 15:06	#139
Stormwindz Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: somewhere Profession: R/	lol i bought onli 5 shiverpeaks keys used all and i got a return of 200k+ unlocked 2 sundering axe hafts 10/10 and a sup absorption

Oct 14, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#140
Volarian Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Guild: NOT-Nomads Of Turmoil	A few things, I'm not discounting what people are saying they're seeing but rather stating fact from my own experience: 1. Group of 8 going thru Fire Island missions, one person opens chest and gets a purple..........ALL remaining 7 party members as well get PURPLE. 2. No possible way someone uses 6 keys, gets 6 purple items be them armour or weapons and only gets a return of 155g(ooops just reread that post...he said 155K , unless they're all armours - minor runes that the player then salvages and sells to trader for 25g each!! Why do that when selling the armour with rune id'd for 100+ gold every time?? I too have spent plenty of money on keys in the hopes of getting a nice drop, primarily a gold armour for a Sup Vig type loot and the balance of what you spend versus what you may reap....WAY off. Ex: In this case I'm using the merchants pricing as comparison rather than what I may be able to get from another player because that's purely speculative. So I get a gold fire wand, max dmg which after being ID'd only has +5 nrg while health is +50%. Next I get a gold Mursaat hammer, mx dmg, dmg+15% while health is +50%, and health +28. The hammer is still mod-able one time as is or to replace the mods it has. Merchant price on the Wand is 468g Merchat price on Hammer 280g Don't know bout anyone else out there, but from in-game experience with selling/buying that Hammer with the stats it has and the ability to upgrade the health to perfect AND add another mod on top of what it's base is....would make this weapon easily 10x more valuable than an un-modifiable wand<---regardless of the +5 nrg.