peace and harmony bugged?? - Guild Wars Forums

Shadowdaemon · Sep 08, 2005, 07:24 AM // 07:24

at my attribute level, peace and harmony is supposed to last 66 seconds, with a recast time of 45 seconds, now i know if i attack someone or do a spell that targets an enemy then it ends, but i am not doing that and it is running out in like 20 seconds, and no one is interrupting/removing it either

anyone else noticed this???

medikamen · Sep 08, 2005, 09:02 AM // 09:02

no, i use il all the time and it works fine

jdwoody · Sep 08, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

Actually it was changed in the update, now if you cast spells like aegis and heal party peace and harmony goes away.

Fye Duron · Sep 08, 2005, 02:26 PM // 14:26

I have the samething happening to me. I think it is just a bug though. At least I really hope that it is. It will suck if they don't fix it.

audioaxes · Sep 08, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by jdwoody

Actually it was changed in the update, now if you cast spells like aegis and heal party peace and harmony goes away.

if that is true then thats pretty lame. Hopefully this is an unintetional bug that will be fixed soon.

audioaxes · Sep 08, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

ok yes they did screw up peace and harmony which is so not cool since it was a vital part of my favorite pvp monk build
for example if you use a glyph of lesser energy, peace and harmony ends.... VERY retarded

jdwoody · Sep 08, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

I did a /bug for aegis and heal party, maybe it would help if everyone submitted bugs for the spells they used to work...

Rossaroni · Sep 08, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

It ends when you use Divine Boon, too.

dargon · Sep 08, 2005, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Before you go reporting it as a bug, maybe you should make sure you understand how the spell works.

Peace and Harmony (Elite)
Elite Enchantment Spell. For (Min: 30 - Max: 90) seconds, target ally gains +1 Energy regeneration. Peace and Harmony ends if that ally attacks or casts a spell that does not target an ally.

Aegis doesn't target an ally
Heal Party doesn't target an ally
Divine Boon targets you
Glyph of Lesser Energy targets you

I would guess that the game doesn't consider you an ally of yourself. To me, this looks like a bug fix where the previous workings of the spell were bugged and now it works as described. That said, maybe it is buggy as target ally should not include you so you shouldn't be able to cast the spell on yourself.

audioaxes · Sep 08, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19

i know this but this is an ELITE spell and shouldnt be so unuseful with stuff like divine boon, glyphs, and aegis. Those 4 spells should work under the peace harmony enchant or you might as well not even make it an elite. They need to change it that peace and harmony only ends if you attack or cast on an enemy.

Mr Zun · Sep 08, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

I dont think thats gonna happen dude if u havent notice Anet is finaly trying to do away with the soloers... I just noticed last nite after the patch that there is no refunding of att. points witch is great but theres always a catch u cant rearange your att out of town anymore again trying to do away with soloers.

Or so i think.

jdwoody · Sep 08, 2005, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Before you go reporting it as a bug, maybe you should make sure you understand how the spell works.

I take it you haven't played a monk...

The skill descriptions are usually pretty explicit, you are included as a "target ally" but you are not included as a "target other ally". A spell like heal party may not have an explicit target, but you are certainly the implicit target as you get the divine favor bonus.

Of course it's possible the change was intentional, but it doesn't really fit with the rest of the mechanics of the game or even the name of the skill.

Regardless when something doesn't make sense and used to work differently, I'll take 10 seconds out of my game time to submit a /bug, if it's working as intended they can delete it.

ocoini · Sep 08, 2005, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Yourself is an ally - i just tried it, works just like befor here (kinda sure)

audioaxes · Sep 08, 2005, 05:55 PM // 17:55

peace and harmony has nothing to do with soloing in my book. Its was decent elite for certain pvp builds turned useless by this update.

Dazzler · Sep 08, 2005, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Yes. This spell was only marginally useful as an elite before the patch--it is difficult to justify this skill over taking some other elite. With this change, it makes it an easier decision to just pass on the skill since alot of good monk spells don't specifically target an ally, but instead target all your allies.

I suspect the change to this and other similar spells was intentional but has had unintended consequences: I don't know this for sure, but I bet the way it worked it was open to abuse in conjunction with many PBAOE spells from other professions.

I doubt it was intentional that it would make the spell useless for many common monk spells.

I would think a good fix would be to change the descirption to read
"...ends if that ally attacks or casts a spell that targets or affects a foe."

Rossaroni · Sep 08, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

If you ask me, the actual point of peace and harmony is to give you +1 energy regen as long as you remain peaceful, ie. you don't cast offensive spells that target opponents, you don't attack, etc. Well, I may be overstepping my bounds here, but that's what the skill comes across as to me.

Jade · Sep 08, 2005, 08:49 PM // 20:49

The build that I used before when I was the primary healer in a group always included peace and harmony. I could cast Heal Other, Heal Party, Healing Breeze, Orision of Healing, Mending, Restore Life, and Convert Hexes and not one of these would make peace and harmony end. Not one! Even casting peace and harmony again wouldn't end it. The only thing that would break PaH when I would use that build was when I attacked. Now I fart and the spell ends.

Fye Duron · Sep 09, 2005, 12:25 AM // 00:25

Everyone will have to get use to the nerfed Peace and Harmany.. not that it needed to be nerfed at all.... but the changes were perment.

Freyas · Sep 09, 2005, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Peace and Harmony ends whenever you use a skill that doesn't "target" an ally. This means that skills like Aegis, Heal Party, Blessed Signet, Divine Boon, Glyph of Lesser Energy, and dozens of other skills that did not previously end P&H now do. If the skill doesn't read "target ally" or "target other ally", it'll end Peace and Harmony. It came along with the change to Zealot's Fire which no longer triggers on skills that don't have a specific target like shouts and stances.

Yes, this nerfed P&H which was already a sub-par energy management skill. The best thing to do is hope that it gets changed in the future, and use other skills for the time being. If you want to be pro-active about it, maybe submit an evaluation of the skill and concise reasoning as to why it's underpowered to ArenaNet.

audioaxes · Sep 09, 2005, 12:48 AM // 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fye Duron

Everyone will have to get use to the nerfed Peace and Harmany.. not that it needed to be nerfed at all.... but the changes were perment.

how do you know that?
now peace and harmony is useless to any efficient build i can think of. I seen absolutely nothing wrong with P&H before this unneeded change and have no idea why they added more variants that end it.
PLEASE anet fix this skill to how it was.

Sep 08, 2005, 07:24 AM // 07:24	#1
Shadowdaemon Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Anderson IN USA Guild: Ecks Di [xD] Profession: W/N	peace and harmony bugged?? at my attribute level, peace and harmony is supposed to last 66 seconds, with a recast time of 45 seconds, now i know if i attack someone or do a spell that targets an enemy then it ends, but i am not doing that and it is running out in like 20 seconds, and no one is interrupting/removing it either anyone else noticed this???

Sep 08, 2005, 05:41 PM // 17:41	#13
ocoini Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	Yourself is an ally - i just tried it, works just like befor here (kinda sure) Last edited by ocoini; Sep 08, 2005 at 05:45 PM // 17:45..

Sep 09, 2005, 12:37 AM // 00:37	#19
Freyas Champion of the Absurd Join Date: Jan 2005 Guild: Spirits of War Profession: Mo/W	Peace and Harmony ends whenever you use a skill that doesn't "target" an ally. This means that skills like Aegis, Heal Party, Blessed Signet, Divine Boon, Glyph of Lesser Energy, and dozens of other skills that did not previously end P&H now do. If the skill doesn't read "target ally" or "target other ally", it'll end Peace and Harmony. It came along with the change to Zealot's Fire which no longer triggers on skills that don't have a specific target like shouts and stances. Yes, this nerfed P&H which was already a sub-par energy management skill. The best thing to do is hope that it gets changed in the future, and use other skills for the time being. If you want to be pro-active about it, maybe submit an evaluation of the skill and concise reasoning as to why it's underpowered to ArenaNet. __________________ Freyas- Spirits of War ~The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity

Sep 08, 2005, 09:02 AM // 09:02	#2
medikamen Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lyon, FRANCE Profession: Mo/Me	no, i use il all the time and it works fine

Sep 08, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02	#3
jdwoody Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin	Actually it was changed in the update, now if you cast spells like aegis and heal party peace and harmony goes away.

Sep 08, 2005, 02:26 PM // 14:26	#4
Fye Duron Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chico, CA, USA Guild: Dragon Fang	I have the samething happening to me. I think it is just a bug though. At least I really hope that it is. It will suck if they don't fix it.

Sep 08, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06	#6
audioaxes Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	ok yes they did screw up peace and harmony which is so not cool since it was a vital part of my favorite pvp monk build for example if you use a glyph of lesser energy, peace and harmony ends.... VERY retarded

Sep 08, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10	#7
jdwoody Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Austin	I did a /bug for aegis and heal party, maybe it would help if everyone submitted bugs for the spells they used to work...

Sep 08, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24	#8
Rossaroni Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Knight Vision [KnV] Profession: Mo/	It ends when you use Divine Boon, too.

Sep 08, 2005, 05:15 PM // 17:15	#9
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	Before you go reporting it as a bug, maybe you should make sure you understand how the spell works. Peace and Harmony (Elite) Elite Enchantment Spell. For (Min: 30 - Max: 90) seconds, target ally gains +1 Energy regeneration. Peace and Harmony ends if that ally attacks or casts a spell that does not target an ally. Aegis doesn't target an ally Heal Party doesn't target an ally Divine Boon targets you Glyph of Lesser Energy targets you I would guess that the game doesn't consider you an ally of yourself. To me, this looks like a bug fix where the previous workings of the spell were bugged and now it works as described. That said, maybe it is buggy as target ally should not include you so you shouldn't be able to cast the spell on yourself.

Sep 08, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19	#10
audioaxes Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	i know this but this is an ELITE spell and shouldnt be so unuseful with stuff like divine boon, glyphs, and aegis. Those 4 spells should work under the peace harmony enchant or you might as well not even make it an elite. They need to change it that peace and harmony only ends if you attack or cast on an enemy.

Sep 08, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31	#11
Mr Zun Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Twin Dragons Profession: E/N	I dont think thats gonna happen dude if u havent notice Anet is finaly trying to do away with the soloers... I just noticed last nite after the patch that there is no refunding of att. points witch is great but theres always a catch u cant rearange your att out of town anymore again trying to do away with soloers. Or so i think.

Sep 08, 2005, 05:55 PM // 17:55	#14
audioaxes Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	peace and harmony has nothing to do with soloing in my book. Its was decent elite for certain pvp builds turned useless by this update.

Sep 08, 2005, 06:02 PM // 18:02	#15
Dazzler Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Profession: E/Me	Yes. This spell was only marginally useful as an elite before the patch--it is difficult to justify this skill over taking some other elite. With this change, it makes it an easier decision to just pass on the skill since alot of good monk spells don't specifically target an ally, but instead target all your allies. I suspect the change to this and other similar spells was intentional but has had unintended consequences: I don't know this for sure, but I bet the way it worked it was open to abuse in conjunction with many PBAOE spells from other professions. I doubt it was intentional that it would make the spell useless for many common monk spells. I would think a good fix would be to change the descirption to read "...ends if that ally attacks or casts a spell that targets or affects a foe."

Sep 08, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24	#16
Rossaroni Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Knight Vision [KnV] Profession: Mo/	If you ask me, the actual point of peace and harmony is to give you +1 energy regen as long as you remain peaceful, ie. you don't cast offensive spells that target opponents, you don't attack, etc. Well, I may be overstepping my bounds here, but that's what the skill comes across as to me.

Sep 08, 2005, 08:49 PM // 20:49	#17
Jade Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada...... Eh!	The build that I used before when I was the primary healer in a group always included peace and harmony. I could cast Heal Other, Heal Party, Healing Breeze, Orision of Healing, Mending, Restore Life, and Convert Hexes and not one of these would make peace and harmony end. Not one! Even casting peace and harmony again wouldn't end it. The only thing that would break PaH when I would use that build was when I attacked. Now I fart and the spell ends.

Sep 09, 2005, 12:25 AM // 00:25	#18
Fye Duron Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Chico, CA, USA Guild: Dragon Fang	Everyone will have to get use to the nerfed Peace and Harmany.. not that it needed to be nerfed at all.... but the changes were perment.