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trpelite · Sep 03, 2005, 08:44 AM // 08:44

I have been searching the forum on the content of white dye, but I haven't found anything yet so I thought I would bring it up.

I hear it has to do a combination of dyes with dye remover, has anyone figured this out? I know it's possible because a few nights ago I saw a monk in all white armor.

Any information appreciated

Shifty Geezer · Sep 03, 2005, 09:52 AM // 09:52

White 'Paint' tends to use pigments like Titanium Dioxide which are white in colour. White dyes aren't used on fabrics - rather any colours are bleached out to leave the natural whiteness of the material.

I *think* dye remover works as a transparent component. From what I've read and seen, using dye remover has different results depending on the underlying colour. I think of it as clothes having a base colour layer and a dye layer on top of that. If the dye layer has a degree of transparency the underlying base layer shows through to that degree. eg. If the base colour is Red and you mix Yellow+Transparency (Dye remover), you get Orange. On that same armour three dye removers to one blue produces a 3:1 ratio of Red:Blue for a Crimson red. If this is so, Dye Remover can be used as a dye of the colour of your base armour.

Derjyn_Wyx · Sep 03, 2005, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by Esprit

The mesmer dyed, looks more like a silver and light purple, like they took a bunch of silvers and (threw) it into one purple until you got that screenshot.

That's white. It's the lighting in the area, I've seen it many times. I dyed my monk's holy staff white; in some areas it looks purple, or even light green. Notice how on the right side, it is purple, on the left it is white. Has anyone else seen some of the thorough dye charts? White isn't on them as far as I know, but a whole lot of other colors on the spectrum are. Someone else who has enough money to try and create one should, and post a confirmation. I will (The previous white I made, was a 6 dye mix, I'm told 4 is the max, but I disagree, there are way too many color possibilities, Frog even confirmed this). And Esprit, try mixing a bunch of silvers and "through" into a purple and see what you get. Then post. Also, I notice people seem to only look at the dye vials, and the color the icon shows. You need to apply a dye on an item to see it's true color, if anyone didn't already know this simple fact (hey, some don't). Perhaps we should define a common item to dye, to make things easier?

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Originally Posted by Shifty Geezer

I *think* dye remover works as a transparent component. From what I've read and seen, using dye remover has different results depending on the underlying colour. I think of it as clothes having a base colour layer and a dye layer on top of that. If the dye layer has a degree of transparency the underlying base layer shows through to that degree. eg. If the base colour is Red and you mix Yellow+Transparency (Dye remover), you get Orange. On that same armour three dye removers to one blue produces a 3:1 ratio of Red:Blue for a Crimson red. If this is so, Dye Remover can be used as a dye of the colour of your base armour.

I've done a lot of experiments with dye remover mixing on my platemail. I am leaning towards that dye remover acts more like silver- a brightner. To test to make sure that it wasn't acting as the base color of the platemail, I tryed it on a few other items, and still, it seems to act like silver. Not 100% on this, as coincidince is quite common with dyes I have found.

Numa Pompilius · Sep 03, 2005, 10:10 AM // 10:10

Derjyn: I've got tons of dyes, I can try as long as there isn't any black in the recipe. So, what should I mix?

Derjyn_Wyx · Sep 03, 2005, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Well, to start, perhaps anything that hasn't already been confirmed. There's a dye chart somewhere here, I'll post a link when I find it. Also, maybe go beyond 4 dye mixes. First thing I'm going to try is 6 blues, 6 reds, etc, and see what happens. I'm still trying to think of a good item we can use for testing- any suggestions?

Derjyn_Wyx · Sep 03, 2005, 10:19 AM // 10:19

Ok, I just used a dye remover on my holy staff. I then used orange->yellow->green->blue. This looks white also, but kinda light green at the same time. Someone want to try this on a different item, and see what they get?

Numa Pompilius · Sep 03, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02

I did some experimenting, and Shifty Geezer is right about the effect of dye remover - it adds transparency.

I also verified that you can't mix more than three dye removers with a dye, the game simply doesn't allow it. Didn't try mixing more than four dyes.

EDIT: tried the orange+yellow+green+blue mix. On my monk, which I use because her skirt is a big canvas, the effect was a very slightly lighter greenish-brown than the default monk grayish-brown.
Holy staffs - aren't they white by default? Or is that smiting staffs?

Shadwu · Sep 03, 2005, 12:15 PM // 12:15

Monks clothes are white, if char wont dye them, isnt it?

And http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=54216

Volten · Sep 03, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Silver give monk a white look on some armors

One and Two · Sep 03, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03

which ones??

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 03, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by One and Two

ill give you guys the secret formula for white...since its so hard to sell at 5k (for profit)

black+silver+silver+green

The color depends on the base color of the item you're dying. I just tried your recipie for my monk - saintly armor and got dark grey with a tinge of green (no surprise).

One and Two · Sep 03, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

oh shoot...i was joking...i hope you arent serious...

Xue Yi Liang · Sep 03, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by One and Two

oh shoot...i was joking...i hope you arent serious...

I'm not kidding.
That's ok - I still have 52 black dyes and lots of money. I was just curious. I'll try anything.

At least you didn't say black+black+black+black - I would have tried that, too.

Diestro · Sep 03, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58

I haven't done much mixing, so no recipes from me. I do, however, have a set of pyromancer armor from droknars that I managed to make look white. The first time I dyed it, I just added silver, and that gave it a silvery and lightly purplish look (purple is the base color). Not happy with the look, I used dye remover, and noticed it seemed to remove that base color, at least partially. I used another silver on it, and it came out looking white. After that, I used dye remover on the rest of my armor before adding silver dye, and it too came out white looking, rather than silver. Chances are the color result is simply because of the type of armor it is.The boots and gloves have a slightly silvery look, but the jacket and leggings certainly look snowy white to me.

The main problem with getting any dye recipes is that all the different armors take the dye differently, and generally none of them coming out with the same color that's represented in the dye bottle icon.

Oh, and to add to what someone was saying about the difference in light colors and dye/paint colors; white light is made by combining all primary colors, there is no true black light. Black dye/paint is made by combining all primary colors, whereas white is actually the absence of any pigment. There actually is no "pure" white coloring substance, there's always minute traces of other colors, even if in such small quantities that they are unnoticeable to the human eye.

navymrgoodbar · Sep 04, 2005, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Well, I still don't have enough money to tset it out.

Fourhundred Meters · Sep 04, 2005, 04:14 AM // 04:14

ive heard (though never seen or tested) that 3 silvers and a dye remover will make white...

Numa Pompilius · Sep 04, 2005, 12:23 PM // 12:23

Logically, and given the hefty assumption that the guildwars red, green and blue are primary, wouldn't a red, a green, and a blue dye make white or at least neutral gray?

Then the question is how to increase the brightness, of course. It seems brightness (and "metallic shinyness") is a function of the item being dyed rather than a feature of the dye.

EDIT: LOL! Well, so much for that theory. R+G+B on a yellow-base armor is a rather fetching ultramarine: http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/temp/screens/rgbmix.jpg

Nice color, IMO, but not exactly either white nor gray. Presumably because the mix is really 50% blue, 25% red & 25% green (as I mixed r+g first). I wonder if I'd have got the same color with a purple + blue?

RotteN · Sep 04, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27

"primary" colors are red, yellow and blue, but to mix white you do not only need the primary colors, but the "colors of the rainbow", and yes, take that litterally :P but as you can only mix a max of 4 dyes, you'll never be able to mix all colors to get white ... once i get some money to play with (right now saving for fissure, need every penny :P) i might get into a mixing spree to get some nifty colors, might try to make white ...

HappySuicide · Sep 04, 2005, 12:47 PM // 12:47

White is the absence of color...you cannot mix to get the absence of color, just like it would be impossible to take colors off of the color wheel besides to primary ones and mix until you get a primary color. I dont see why people cant just use silver dye for the substitute to white. And that picture that was shown with the "white" mesmer? First off the picture was insanely low quality, and second of all it would be very easy to make yourself silver and when you are in a certain light to make yourself look white then take a screen shot, google guild wars screenshots and see how many "white" characters you find, it is usually silver or someone modded the picture or someone isnt telling us something.

Rather than looking at a color wheel see if you can find a color scale, rare and sometimes confusing but if you find one that has been made correctly then you will notice white at the top as the absence of all color.

Numa Pompilius · Sep 04, 2005, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by RotteN

"primary" colors are red, yellow and blue, but to mix white you do not only need the primary colors, but the "colors of the rainbow"

Well, actually primary red (255 red, 0 green, 0 blue) plus primary green (0, 255, 0) and primary blue (0, 0, 255) equals (255, 255, 255), the purest white a computer screen can display.

When it comes to the real world of _reflected_ light, there are no such things as primary colors, though, and what we'd percieve as purest white out in the sunshine really a faint blue (because our sun is yellow).

Sep 03, 2005, 08:44 AM // 08:44	#21
trpelite Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: [TRP] Profession: E/Mo	White dye? I have been searching the forum on the content of white dye, but I haven't found anything yet so I thought I would bring it up. I hear it has to do a combination of dyes with dye remover, has anyone figured this out? I know it's possible because a few nights ago I saw a monk in all white armor. Any information appreciated

Sep 03, 2005, 09:52 AM // 09:52	#22
Shifty Geezer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Luckless Marauders [OOPS] Profession: E/Mo	White 'Paint' tends to use pigments like Titanium Dioxide which are white in colour. White dyes aren't used on fabrics - rather any colours are bleached out to leave the natural whiteness of the material. I think dye remover works as a transparent component. From what I've read and seen, using dye remover has different results depending on the underlying colour. I think of it as clothes having a base colour layer and a dye layer on top of that. If the dye layer has a degree of transparency the underlying base layer shows through to that degree. eg. If the base colour is Red and you mix Yellow+Transparency (Dye remover), you get Orange. On that same armour three dye removers to one blue produces a 3:1 ratio of Red:Blue for a Crimson red. If this is so, Dye Remover can be used as a dye of the colour of your base armour. Last edited by Shifty Geezer; Sep 03, 2005 at 09:55 AM // 09:55..

Sep 03, 2005, 11:02 AM // 11:02	#27
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	I did some experimenting, and Shifty Geezer is right about the effect of dye remover - it adds transparency. I also verified that you can't mix more than three dye removers with a dye, the game simply doesn't allow it. Didn't try mixing more than four dyes. EDIT: tried the orange+yellow+green+blue mix. On my monk, which I use because her skirt is a big canvas, the effect was a very slightly lighter greenish-brown than the default monk grayish-brown. Holy staffs - aren't they white by default? Or is that smiting staffs? Last edited by Numa Pompilius; Sep 03, 2005 at 11:10 AM // 11:10..

Sep 03, 2005, 12:15 PM // 12:15	#28
Shadwu Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Guild: Leones Justicia [LEO] Profession: Me/Mo	Monks clothes are white, if char wont dye them, isnt it? And http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=54216 Last edited by Shadwu; Sep 03, 2005 at 12:18 PM // 12:18..

Sep 03, 2005, 06:58 PM // 18:58	#34
Diestro Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Painted Post, NY Profession: E/Me	I haven't done much mixing, so no recipes from me. I do, however, have a set of pyromancer armor from droknars that I managed to make look white. The first time I dyed it, I just added silver, and that gave it a silvery and lightly purplish look (purple is the base color). Not happy with the look, I used dye remover, and noticed it seemed to remove that base color, at least partially. I used another silver on it, and it came out looking white. After that, I used dye remover on the rest of my armor before adding silver dye, and it too came out white looking, rather than silver. Chances are the color result is simply because of the type of armor it is.The boots and gloves have a slightly silvery look, but the jacket and leggings certainly look snowy white to me. The main problem with getting any dye recipes is that all the different armors take the dye differently, and generally none of them coming out with the same color that's represented in the dye bottle icon. Oh, and to add to what someone was saying about the difference in light colors and dye/paint colors; white light is made by combining all primary colors, there is no true black light. Black dye/paint is made by combining all primary colors, whereas white is actually the absence of any pigment. There actually is no "pure" white coloring substance, there's always minute traces of other colors, even if in such small quantities that they are unnoticeable to the human eye. Last edited by Diestro; Sep 03, 2005 at 07:08 PM // 19:08..

Sep 03, 2005, 10:10 AM // 10:10	#24
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Derjyn: I've got tons of dyes, I can try as long as there isn't any black in the recipe. So, what should I mix?

Sep 03, 2005, 10:14 AM // 10:14	#25
Derjyn_Wyx Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Dark Watchers Profession: W/Mo	Well, to start, perhaps anything that hasn't already been confirmed. There's a dye chart somewhere here, I'll post a link when I find it. Also, maybe go beyond 4 dye mixes. First thing I'm going to try is 6 blues, 6 reds, etc, and see what happens. I'm still trying to think of a good item we can use for testing- any suggestions?

Sep 03, 2005, 10:19 AM // 10:19	#26
Derjyn_Wyx Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Dark Watchers Profession: W/Mo	Ok, I just used a dye remover on my holy staff. I then used orange->yellow->green->blue. This looks white also, but kinda light green at the same time. Someone want to try this on a different item, and see what they get?

Sep 03, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19	#29
Volten Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Blackwind Soldier Profession: W/Mo	Silver give monk a white look on some armors

Sep 03, 2005, 06:03 PM // 18:03	#30
One and Two Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2005	which ones??

Sep 03, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32	#32
One and Two Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2005	oh shoot...i was joking...i hope you arent serious...

Sep 04, 2005, 04:07 AM // 04:07	#35
navymrgoodbar Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Team Hoax Profession: N/	Well, I still don't have enough money to tset it out.

Sep 04, 2005, 04:14 AM // 04:14	#36
Fourhundred Meters Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: Mo/Me	ive heard (though never seen or tested) that 3 silvers and a dye remover will make white...

Sep 04, 2005, 12:23 PM // 12:23	#37
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Logically, and given the hefty assumption that the guildwars red, green and blue are primary, wouldn't a red, a green, and a blue dye make white or at least neutral gray? Then the question is how to increase the brightness, of course. It seems brightness (and "metallic shinyness") is a function of the item being dyed rather than a feature of the dye. EDIT: LOL! Well, so much for that theory. R+G+B on a yellow-base armor is a rather fetching ultramarine: http://mikes-machine.mine.nu/temp/screens/rgbmix.jpg Nice color, IMO, but not exactly either white nor gray. Presumably because the mix is really 50% blue, 25% red & 25% green (as I mixed r+g first). I wonder if I'd have got the same color with a purple + blue? Last edited by Numa Pompilius; Sep 04, 2005 at 12:40 PM // 12:40..

Sep 04, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27	#38
RotteN Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: W/	"primary" colors are red, yellow and blue, but to mix white you do not only need the primary colors, but the "colors of the rainbow", and yes, take that litterally :P but as you can only mix a max of 4 dyes, you'll never be able to mix all colors to get white ... once i get some money to play with (right now saving for fissure, need every penny :P) i might get into a mixing spree to get some nifty colors, might try to make white ...

Sep 04, 2005, 12:47 PM // 12:47	#39
HappySuicide Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Knights of the Blazing Pheonix Profession: W/	White is the absence of color...you cannot mix to get the absence of color, just like it would be impossible to take colors off of the color wheel besides to primary ones and mix until you get a primary color. I dont see why people cant just use silver dye for the substitute to white. And that picture that was shown with the "white" mesmer? First off the picture was insanely low quality, and second of all it would be very easy to make yourself silver and when you are in a certain light to make yourself look white then take a screen shot, google guild wars screenshots and see how many "white" characters you find, it is usually silver or someone modded the picture or someone isnt telling us something. Rather than looking at a color wheel see if you can find a color scale, rare and sometimes confusing but if you find one that has been made correctly then you will notice white at the top as the absence of all color. Last edited by HappySuicide; Sep 04, 2005 at 12:51 PM // 12:51..