Expertise and Attack Energy cost? - Guild Wars Forums

melkoriii · Oct 18, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Ok so so I have Expertise at 5 which should give me a 20% reduction in Energy cost of attacks yet none of them have changed.

My attacks that cost 10 still cost 10.
Penetrating Attack still cost 10
Cyclone Axe still cost 5

Am I missing somthing?

quickmonty · Oct 18, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06

It won't show up in any visible way except when you use the skill .... take notice of how much energy is used. It does work.

nicky nightmare · Oct 18, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

indeed it does. for a while i thought as you did then i noticed that i wasnt losing as much energy on my skill bar as i should be.... that was when i still had a ranger.

wiz12268 · Oct 18, 2005, 06:19 PM // 18:19

I made a chart with the break downs somewhere in here. Shows the amount of energy you use at certain attribute levels per original charge.

Only effects ranger skills not secondary skills.

melkoriii · Oct 18, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by wiz12268

Only effects ranger skills not secondary skills.

REALLY!?

That sucks.

The discription does not say that.

Well at least my main is a Wa/Mo

NatalieD · Oct 18, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by wiz12268

Only effects ranger skills not secondary skills.

Not true. Expertise affects anything that isn't a spell, regardless of which class it comes from.

Valerius · Oct 18, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...sts-id1154.php

and wiz... plz don't post if u have no idea what ur talking about... like natalie said... expertise effects everything except spells... for all classes

ChoKILLate[FDG] · Oct 18, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56

If ranger is your secondary and warrior is your primary you get no benefit by putting point in expertise.

melkoriii · Oct 18, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Valerius

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...sts-id1154.php

and wiz... plz don't post if u have no idea what ur talking about... like natalie said... expertise effects everything except spells... for all classes

Feew thanks guys. make me feel better

Oh and if ranger is your secondary you shouldnt have Expertise as a attribute.

Valerius · Oct 18, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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If ranger is your secondary and warrior is your primary you get no benefit by putting point in expertise.

umm... u won't even have the option to put points into the Expertise line... it's a Ranger primary attribute...

Jenosavel · Oct 18, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by ChoKILLate[FDG]

If ranger is your secondary and warrior is your primary you get no benefit by putting point in expertise.

That cracks me up. lol

...I seriously hope it's sarcasm.

wiz12268 · Oct 18, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

My bad I guess. I just never noticed it since my secondary was ele, and all I did was use spells with it. No factor now as I don't use anything BUT ranger skills.

Nevertheless I made a chart that shows how much a 5/10/15/25 base skill costs at a particular Expertise attribute number. So if it does work with non spell skills then I imagine it has the same benefit.

NatalieD · Oct 18, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by wiz12268

My bad I guess. I just never noticed it since my secondary was ele, and all I did was use spells with it.

It is an easy mistake to make if your secondary is anything but warrior. There are a few non-spell skills in all of the caster professions, but not a whole lot.

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Nevertheless I made a chart that shows how much a 5/10/15/25 base skill costs at a particular Expertise attribute number. So if it does work with non spell skills then I imagine it has the same benefit.

That it does.

Fyre Brand · Oct 19, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

There are probably quite a few instances where expertise helps out on your secondary but my favorite is with mesmer mantras. Most (if not all) are stances which your expertise does affect. The mantras are pretty useful in different situations and many bows have their damage bonus tied to stances. In addition to drastically reducing an elemental or physical damage, they last a long time compared to ranger stances which are short lived and have a hellacious recharge time.

Oct 18, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03	#1
melkoriii Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/Mo	Expertise and Attack Energy cost? Ok so so I have Expertise at 5 which should give me a 20% reduction in Energy cost of attacks yet none of them have changed. My attacks that cost 10 still cost 10. Penetrating Attack still cost 10 Cyclone Axe still cost 5 Am I missing somthing?

Oct 18, 2005, 04:06 PM // 16:06	#2
quickmonty Ancient Windbreaker Join Date: May 2005	It won't show up in any visible way except when you use the skill .... take notice of how much energy is used. It does work.

Oct 18, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26	#3
nicky nightmare Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: between a rock and a hard place...... Guild: Miendrak'el Myrth (MeM	indeed it does. for a while i thought as you did then i noticed that i wasnt losing as much energy on my skill bar as i should be.... that was when i still had a ranger.

Oct 18, 2005, 06:19 PM // 18:19	#4
wiz12268 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Guild: Men In Black	I made a chart with the break downs somewhere in here. Shows the amount of energy you use at certain attribute levels per original charge. Only effects ranger skills not secondary skills.

Oct 18, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48	#7
Valerius Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Canada Profession: R/	http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...sts-id1154.php and wiz... plz don't post if u have no idea what ur talking about... like natalie said... expertise effects everything except spells... for all classes

Oct 18, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56	#8
ChoKILLate[FDG] Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: [FDG]-Fudge Profession: Mo/Me	If ranger is your secondary and warrior is your primary you get no benefit by putting point in expertise.

Oct 18, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27	#12
wiz12268 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Guild: Men In Black	My bad I guess. I just never noticed it since my secondary was ele, and all I did was use spells with it. No factor now as I don't use anything BUT ranger skills. Nevertheless I made a chart that shows how much a 5/10/15/25 base skill costs at a particular Expertise attribute number. So if it does work with non spell skills then I imagine it has the same benefit.

Oct 19, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31	#14
Fyre Brand Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: Shadowlight Order [SoR]	There are probably quite a few instances where expertise helps out on your secondary but my favorite is with mesmer mantras. Most (if not all) are stances which your expertise does affect. The mantras are pretty useful in different situations and many bows have their damage bonus tied to stances. In addition to drastically reducing an elemental or physical damage, they last a long time compared to ranger stances which are short lived and have a hellacious recharge time.