Curious: has Thunderkeep and Elona Reach missions been changed? - Guild Wars Forums

coolsti · Oct 24, 2005, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Been doing these missions a lot lately, to help friends, and I am curious as to whether there have been changes in recent patches.

For Elona Reach, my strategy had always been to take the left crystal first, then the right, and after taking the right, I would make a quick escape going away from where the gate opens releasing a mob of enemy. This had always worked before. Lately, however, when I do this, I constantly run into a huge mob which I cannot get past. I now have another strategy for beating this mission which works well (taking the right crystal first), but I am curious whether Anet has changed anything here.

For Thunderkeep, the last two times I did this misson without bonus, the level of difficulty seems to have been reduced. That very difficult surge of enemies including Perfect Armor seems to no longer appear. Has Anet made this mission easier?

Just curious.

nightrunner · Oct 24, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01

I think they nerfed THK - I've noticed I've been having a much easier time killing off the Jade Armors than I used to. Before, I would have trouble simply tanking 3 of them, even with a healer. Now I've noticed that I can kill two by myself without a problem. I'd like to think I've improved... but probably not.

I did Elona's the other day. Didn't see any noticible changes, but I did do it on my first try.

One and Two · Oct 24, 2005, 07:05 AM // 07:05

WHY....Did they make Thunderhead easier?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Suuk · Oct 24, 2005, 11:31 AM // 11:31

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Originally Posted by One and Two

WHY....Did they make Thunderhead easier?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Like in: omg more idiots in the ring of fire t be expected soon?

Yeah, I totally agree with you....THK was a sort of natural selection and a very very good barrier/filter.

Fallstar · Oct 24, 2005, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Perfect Armour was still there when I did Thunderhead Keep 20 minutes ago.

coolsti · Oct 24, 2005, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by Fallstar

Perfect Armour was still there when I did Thunderhead Keep 20 minutes ago.

Thanks!!! That at least is good to know. Hope the mission is actually as difficult and challenging as ever. Perhaps I missed him while my other teammates took care of him?

But still, it just doesn't seem as difficult anymore, not as many mobs coming in at once. Maybe we are just getting better?

Medion · Oct 24, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50

I did it 10 minutes ago as well, and my opinion is that it has become easier:

First time I did it (a long long time ago) we needed 8 humans and I still had to retry like 10 times.
Today, I did it with 2 henchies, 2 newb warriors(of which one left) and 3 other cool guys.
It was not difficult at all. But maybe that is because I and my guildie already had done it before and could 'lead' the others.

Another guildmate of my was stuck there (we helped him out) and he had some troubles with it in other parties.
Maybe it is easier because you went there with ppl u know and trust?

Yichi · Oct 24, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

It can also be that youre getting more expierenced in your gameplay and tactics towards the game. I remember when i built my first character how hard of a time i had seeing as it was my first time, now on my 4th (deleted the first to remake) im finding that im having a much easier time as i know what to expect and how to handle certian situations and different playstyles for each character. Naturally the more you expierence something, the better over time you will become at it.

quickmonty · Oct 24, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I often help guild members do quests and it seems to be that the difficulty of areas changes from time to time. It may be just random chance, or perhaps Anet is acting as a "traffic cop" and adusting difficulty to corespond to the amount of people passing through different areas. Just a thought.

Yichi · Oct 24, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Well if they did nerf TK and The harder missions from Elonas onward, this will have a huge negative affect on the game. There are far too many idiots running around in the game with no concept/clue as to what they SHOULD be doing in the game. The ones that you see doing Tk for the 900th time are the ones that deserve to be stuck there by not learning from their mistakes and adjusting to the circumstances. They are supposed to be hard for a reason. personally they should have gotten a huge difficulty jump after pre-searing. you can run most of the missions and quests solo with a little time and patience and self healing until about yaks/beacons area. IMO anet needs to make things a little more difficult to provide more of a challenge

DreamCatcher · Oct 24, 2005, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Well if they did nerf TK and The harder missions from Elonas onward, this will have a huge negative affect on the game. There are far too many idiots running around in the game with no concept/clue as to what they SHOULD be doing in the game. The ones that you see doing Tk for the 900th time are the ones that deserve to be stuck there by not learning from their mistakes and adjusting to the circumstances. They are supposed to be hard for a reason. personally they should have gotten a huge difficulty jump after pre-searing. you can run most of the missions and quests solo with a little time and patience and self healing until about yaks/beacons area. IMO anet needs to make things a little more difficult to provide more of a challenge

this will also have a huge positive impact on the game, as this will increase the number of available people in the ring of fire missions on the european servers which desperately needs more people there due to depopulation
I personaly think it was indeed a good 'moronfilter', but I think this is for the best.

it's a trade-off imo.

(edited for spelling etc)

Zakarr · Oct 24, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Potential customers (money) talks more than interesting and challenging game. If n00bs can't complete the game, they will complain and that would have bad effect to sales because other n00bs might change their minds about buying GW and future expansions. However, I don't blame Anet because they need all the money. There is no monthly fee and big games like GW will cost a lot to maintain. Maybe some day servers and bandwidth are so cheap that compromises for n00bs are not necessary. One can only dream...

In my opinion all the missions are way too easy. Hall of Heroes is only thing which is usually challenging. They probably change it too if n00bs start to cry too much.

lishi · Oct 24, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

well , a few changes i have noted in THK

dwarf soldier now lev 20

Hencies heal the king now

Zaklex · Oct 24, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Sorry to burst everyones bubble, but for THK is wasn't made easier, in fact if anything any changes made were to make it slightly more difficult than before. Keep in mind that the mobs don't always spawn the same, that Perfect Armor will not be there everytime you run the mission, it's a random spawn, enough so that I've run it 3 - 4 times in a row and never had the PA spawn, the opposite is also true.

Can't say about Elona, except it's probably the same thing. Making the spawn points more random, makes it a little more diffictult to do, since you won't know always were every enemy mob is.

MJ12trooper · Oct 24, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06

lol my friend just did it not one jade at all

not one

coolsti · Oct 25, 2005, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by MJ12trooper

lol my friend just did it not one jade at all
not one

That must be a very random glitch! I posted this partly because I thought that Perfect Armor comes each time, like as a real celebrity. But maybe I am wrong, and it is just a random boss that appears.

But perhaps the difference I had been seeing is due to the randomness of the spawning and subsequent travel of the mobs. Sometimes a real lot comes almost all at once with the big boss (Perfect Armor or his substitute), but the last few times I did this it just seems like this big rush of enemies never occurred.

momo2oo2 · Oct 25, 2005, 07:28 AM // 07:28

From http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html

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'Update - Wednesday, September 7'

"Kings Guards in Thunderhead Keep are now appropriate level, helping reduce the initial difficulty of the mission."

One and Two · Oct 25, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31

Correct. Anet has done a wonderful job in completely ruining the PvE portion of the game with this update. Ring of Fire, welcome 20 more districts.

And PvP bugs are even more exciting.

DreamCatcher · Oct 26, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by One and Two

Correct. Anet has done a wonderful job in completely ruining the PvE portion of the game with this update. Ring of Fire, welcome 20 more districts.

And PvP bugs are even more exciting.

One and two, this will actually improve PvE on the european servers as, as it is now, those area's are almost deserted during the week days (mo-fri). Even during weekends it's hard now to get a non-hench group together there.
this might even get worse when chapter 2 comes out, thus thinning these high end area's even more then they already are.

I'd personally preferred to have Keep not made easier myself but this way more european players can actually do the titan quests now.

nicky nightmare · Oct 26, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45

ive only done it on my old ranger.... that was back in june and i did it my first try.... did they make it harder then easier? or was my group of me one guild mate and 6 henches abnormally good?

Oct 24, 2005, 06:49 AM // 06:49	#1
coolsti Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denmark	Curious: has Thunderkeep and Elona Reach missions been changed? Been doing these missions a lot lately, to help friends, and I am curious as to whether there have been changes in recent patches. For Elona Reach, my strategy had always been to take the left crystal first, then the right, and after taking the right, I would make a quick escape going away from where the gate opens releasing a mob of enemy. This had always worked before. Lately, however, when I do this, I constantly run into a huge mob which I cannot get past. I now have another strategy for beating this mission which works well (taking the right crystal first), but I am curious whether Anet has changed anything here. For Thunderkeep, the last two times I did this misson without bonus, the level of difficulty seems to have been reduced. That very difficult surge of enemies including Perfect Armor seems to no longer appear. Has Anet made this mission easier? Just curious.

Oct 24, 2005, 07:01 AM // 07:01	#2
nightrunner Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco Profession: W/Mo	I think they nerfed THK - I've noticed I've been having a much easier time killing off the Jade Armors than I used to. Before, I would have trouble simply tanking 3 of them, even with a healer. Now I've noticed that I can kill two by myself without a problem. I'd like to think I've improved... but probably not. I did Elona's the other day. Didn't see any noticible changes, but I did do it on my first try.

Oct 24, 2005, 07:05 AM // 07:05	#3
One and Two Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2005	WHY....Did they make Thunderhead easier? nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Oct 24, 2005, 01:22 PM // 13:22	#5
Fallstar Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Australia Guild: PC Powerplay Profession: W/E	Perfect Armour was still there when I did Thunderhead Keep 20 minutes ago.

Oct 24, 2005, 02:50 PM // 14:50	#7
Medion Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Netherlands	I did it 10 minutes ago as well, and my opinion is that it has become easier: First time I did it (a long long time ago) we needed 8 humans and I still had to retry like 10 times. Today, I did it with 2 henchies, 2 newb warriors(of which one left) and 3 other cool guys. It was not difficult at all. But maybe that is because I and my guildie already had done it before and could 'lead' the others. Another guildmate of my was stuck there (we helped him out) and he had some troubles with it in other parties. Maybe it is easier because you went there with ppl u know and trust?

Oct 24, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42	#8
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	It can also be that youre getting more expierenced in your gameplay and tactics towards the game. I remember when i built my first character how hard of a time i had seeing as it was my first time, now on my 4th (deleted the first to remake) im finding that im having a much easier time as i know what to expect and how to handle certian situations and different playstyles for each character. Naturally the more you expierence something, the better over time you will become at it.

Oct 24, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32	#9
quickmonty Ancient Windbreaker Join Date: May 2005	I often help guild members do quests and it seems to be that the difficulty of areas changes from time to time. It may be just random chance, or perhaps Anet is acting as a "traffic cop" and adusting difficulty to corespond to the amount of people passing through different areas. Just a thought.

Oct 24, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50	#10
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	Well if they did nerf TK and The harder missions from Elonas onward, this will have a huge negative affect on the game. There are far too many idiots running around in the game with no concept/clue as to what they SHOULD be doing in the game. The ones that you see doing Tk for the 900th time are the ones that deserve to be stuck there by not learning from their mistakes and adjusting to the circumstances. They are supposed to be hard for a reason. personally they should have gotten a huge difficulty jump after pre-searing. you can run most of the missions and quests solo with a little time and patience and self healing until about yaks/beacons area. IMO anet needs to make things a little more difficult to provide more of a challenge

Oct 24, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25	#12
Zakarr Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland	Potential customers (money) talks more than interesting and challenging game. If n00bs can't complete the game, they will complain and that would have bad effect to sales because other n00bs might change their minds about buying GW and future expansions. However, I don't blame Anet because they need all the money. There is no monthly fee and big games like GW will cost a lot to maintain. Maybe some day servers and bandwidth are so cheap that compromises for n00bs are not necessary. One can only dream... In my opinion all the missions are way too easy. Hall of Heroes is only thing which is usually challenging. They probably change it too if n00bs start to cry too much.

Oct 24, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38	#13
lishi Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005	well , a few changes i have noted in THK dwarf soldier now lev 20 Hencies heal the king now

Oct 24, 2005, 06:38 PM // 18:38	#14
Zaklex Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA, USA Guild: Remnants of Ascalon	Sorry to burst everyones bubble, but for THK is wasn't made easier, in fact if anything any changes made were to make it slightly more difficult than before. Keep in mind that the mobs don't always spawn the same, that Perfect Armor will not be there everytime you run the mission, it's a random spawn, enough so that I've run it 3 - 4 times in a row and never had the PA spawn, the opposite is also true. Can't say about Elona, except it's probably the same thing. Making the spawn points more random, makes it a little more diffictult to do, since you won't know always were every enemy mob is.

Oct 24, 2005, 07:06 PM // 19:06	#15
MJ12trooper Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: farming somewhere Profession: E/Mo	lol my friend just did it not one jade at all not one

Oct 25, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31	#18
One and Two Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2005	Correct. Anet has done a wonderful job in completely ruining the PvE portion of the game with this update. Ring of Fire, welcome 20 more districts. And PvP bugs are even more exciting.

Oct 26, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45	#20
nicky nightmare Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: between a rock and a hard place...... Guild: Miendrak'el Myrth (MeM	ive only done it on my old ranger.... that was back in june and i did it my first try.... did they make it harder then easier? or was my group of me one guild mate and 6 henches abnormally good?