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Hexgame · Nov 04, 2005, 01:04 AM // 01:04

Ok, before I get into detail and explain why I am writing this brief essay on guilds that are vain, I know I'm going to be flamed to the max and you will probably make me cry, a thread like this has probably aready been used, But whats another one gonna hurt?

Let me first send my appreciation to all those guilds who worked hard creating builds and being an all-around good guild. Guilds like yours are the ones everyone wants theirs to be like, and without guilds like yours Guildwars will probably be a big mess.

Now getting to the point, Those of you may think your guild is good being ranked 10-100 but in reality, If you use builds such as Ranger spike, IWAY, Flareway, Ele spike and so on, You really are not that great, Like I said earlier, a good guild is one who works with his/her guildies and finds their own special build, Spiking your way to rank 48 does not mean your good, It just means you suck in the long run and most rank 5000 guilds are still better then you. Whats the point of even using a build such as the ones I listed earlier just to get your rank down? Does it make you feel special for using a build someone else made? Thats stealing right? utterly unfair to all the other guilds who actually WORK and use their knowledge to create a build. If your one of those guilds who use builds like that, I pity you for being so pathetic. and for those who work hard getting their rank down with their own builds, I think you rock! your guild owns any guild that uses ranger spike, flareway, ele spike and so on, Keep up the good work.

Now to be flammed.

Divine Elemental · Nov 04, 2005, 01:09 AM // 01:09

As one said

He was from EW as a Monk

Spiking Can Get You To Rank 11+
But That Wont Hold Your Guild In Top 10
Spiking Is Easy and Has Very Good Results Ending To Massive Over Use In GvG

Are U Mad That Your Guild is Doing Bad?
Geting Beat?
With Your "Own" Builds?
If So I'm Srry

Hexgame · Nov 04, 2005, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divine Elemental

As one said

He was from EW as a Monk

Spiking Can Get You To Rank 11+
But That Wont Hold Your Guild In Top 10
Spiking Is Easy and Has Very Good Results Ending To Massive Over Use In GvG

Are U Mad That Your Guild is Doing Bad?
Geting Beat?
With Your "Own" Builds?
If So I'm Srry

| Rank | | Guild Name | |Tag| |Territory| |Rating| |Wins| |Losses|
|262nd| |Nintendo Power| |NES| |Am | |1191 | |21 | | 4 |

I guess you can call us bad, But atleast we got down to rank 166 using our own build up to 17 wins without losing once, and last 4 losses from spiker builds.

Finch · Nov 04, 2005, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Ah my guild is currently around rank 800... and i couldnt agree with you more. We went from unranked to 800 with our own little build that doesnt use more than 3 of the same class. ( 3 monks of course) Currently on a 7 game win streak and we're tweaking it to make it just right. We haven't vsed a great spiking team yet... but i do agree on the topic.

Finch · Nov 04, 2005, 02:17 AM // 02:17

double post...

Ristaron · Nov 04, 2005, 02:54 AM // 02:54

I'll bring it to your attention that some of the best ranked guilds currently on the ladder came up with those builds you are taking to flaming. They also are regularly adapting it for the style of both them and their team, because they know how the build truly works. Therefore the build can be considered theirs.

All the same, to anybody who comes up with a truly original build these days and manages to storm the current hall-holding builds, my congratulations and please, try to keep the build within your guild so that it never gets used against you.

Divine Elemental · Nov 04, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ristaron

All the same, to anybody who comes up with a truly original build these days and manages to storm the current hall-holding builds, my congratulations and please, try to keep the build within your guild so that it never gets used against you.

Which is Air... damn

smurfhunter · Nov 04, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

i agree. our guild got to like rank 20 something with a ranger spike build, which sucked imo. were working on a new build right now and plan to get back to some gvgs

Neozeon · Nov 04, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18

We use all builds. But for GvG we run our own build. So i guess u can say we try to master every build out there pluse our own. Forsaken Sanctuary [FoSa]

nohooiam · Nov 04, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07

a lot of the builds that I've across from top guilds are quite different from the main stream builds of tombs, so i'm not exactly sure what hexbreaker is talking about. in fact there seems to be more creative/experimental builds in gvg than in tombs, mostly i would guess is due to the difference in format between tombs and gvg.

Kismet · Nov 04, 2005, 12:53 PM // 12:53

I have to agree here. In fact my guild came up against TPG in GvG, we were expecting a decent fight and ended up dealing with Resovle trappers. Seeing all these FotM builds in GvG has really put us off from doing it most of the time, it's been weeks since our last one. It'd be nice to see more originality from a guild higher ranking.

And to whoever said that high ranked guilds created those builds, that's not really true. My guild was doing Ranger spike in PvE long before it was ever seen in the halls, the same goes for Ele spike...and alot of these builds are stolen from enemy PvE mobs (IWAY=White Mantle)

unienaule · Nov 04, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

I think you need a clearer understanding of what a build is. Saying the White Mantle are the basis of IWAY builds... um... yeah... they have no pet, and they use IWAY as soon as the attack when no one is even dead. Somehow, I don't quite think that's where the current IWAY came from.

Also, I hope you're not trying to take credit for spikes, since it's a blatantly obvious build that I could say I came up with since I had never heard of it before when I used it.

Enemy PvE mobs have either 1)terrible PoS builds, or 2)Builds that cheat with such things as "monster skills" or 2-3 copies of the same thing (Priests in SF, anyone?) so it would be difficult to base your builds off of those.

If using one skill (IWAY) qualifies as copying, then 90% of people out there copied my res sig build! Oh noes! Why doesn't somebody out there have a little originality and NOT take res sig for once?

EternalTempest · Nov 04, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Something I've thought about, when the add observer mode, it's going to be nearly impossible to have a team build secret for long. It will boil down to how well they know there own or inspired by concept and how well they execute it. The good news is with a new job, maybe more and more skills across the board the number of strategies you can use will greatly increase.

John TrickKnee · Nov 04, 2005, 01:45 PM // 13:45

My guild came up with the RASLALG build, so you'd better not use it, or you are stealing.

Oh, Run Away Screaming Like A Little Girl.

Hexgame · Nov 04, 2005, 02:22 PM // 14:22

Using a Modified build is not the same as using a standard Iway, foC, or spike group, I think its cool that higher rank guilds can alter it and make it kick still. But I still find it sad that you must use it to get your guild ranked low, Your just giving your credit to the skills you are using and not to your guild at all.

musefanalert · Nov 04, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16

As ive just created my guild, were currently experimenting with builds within the guild. As we have an abundance of warriors and rangers we are currently running a modified IWAY build which i had first some up with in tombs when i was in IWAY groups always getting raped by ball groups. Not gonna say what the mod is but u may have come up against it at some point, we beat rank 6 guild with it and got to the last tombs battle with a henchman

FrogDevourer · Nov 04, 2005, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hexgame

I know I'm going to be flamed to the max and you will probably make me cry, a thread like this has probably aready been used, But whats another one gonna hurt?

Sigh... So you do realize this thread is just a big flame bait. I wonder if you're ignorantly trying to resurrect the endless (and beaten to death) flame war about 'originality is better than efficiency', or if you're just trolling. Either way, this thread is going nowhere, so I'm closing it before it goes downhill. I trust you can use the search button with keywords such as originality, build or copycat and that you can learn a lot from past discussions.

Nov 04, 2005, 01:04 AM // 01:04	#1
Hexgame Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Guild: None Profession: W/N	To all you who think your guild is good. Ok, before I get into detail and explain why I am writing this brief essay on guilds that are vain, I know I'm going to be flamed to the max and you will probably make me cry, a thread like this has probably aready been used, But whats another one gonna hurt? Let me first send my appreciation to all those guilds who worked hard creating builds and being an all-around good guild. Guilds like yours are the ones everyone wants theirs to be like, and without guilds like yours Guildwars will probably be a big mess. Now getting to the point, Those of you may think your guild is good being ranked 10-100 but in reality, If you use builds such as Ranger spike, IWAY, Flareway, Ele spike and so on, You really are not that great, Like I said earlier, a good guild is one who works with his/her guildies and finds their own special build, Spiking your way to rank 48 does not mean your good, It just means you suck in the long run and most rank 5000 guilds are still better then you. Whats the point of even using a build such as the ones I listed earlier just to get your rank down? Does it make you feel special for using a build someone else made? Thats stealing right? utterly unfair to all the other guilds who actually WORK and use their knowledge to create a build. If your one of those guilds who use builds like that, I pity you for being so pathetic. and for those who work hard getting their rank down with their own builds, I think you rock! your guild owns any guild that uses ranger spike, flareway, ele spike and so on, Keep up the good work. Now to be flammed.

Nov 04, 2005, 02:17 AM // 02:17	#5
Finch Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Accident Prone [AP]	double post... Last edited by Finch; Nov 04, 2005 at 02:20 AM // 02:20..

Nov 04, 2005, 01:09 AM // 01:09	#2
Divine Elemental Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Near Your House Guild: I Used To Own [ IUTO ]	As one said He was from EW as a Monk Spiking Can Get You To Rank 11+ But That Wont Hold Your Guild In Top 10 Spiking Is Easy and Has Very Good Results Ending To Massive Over Use In GvG Are U Mad That Your Guild is Doing Bad? Geting Beat? With Your "Own" Builds? If So I'm Srry

Nov 04, 2005, 02:54 AM // 02:54	#6
Ristaron Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Guild: Legion Of Valhalla Profession: E/	I'll bring it to your attention that some of the best ranked guilds currently on the ladder came up with those builds you are taking to flaming. They also are regularly adapting it for the style of both them and their team, because they know how the build truly works. Therefore the build can be considered theirs. All the same, to anybody who comes up with a truly original build these days and manages to storm the current hall-holding builds, my congratulations and please, try to keep the build within your guild so that it never gets used against you.

Nov 04, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12	#8
smurfhunter Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: my w/mo uses mending, orison, and healing breeze. you cant kill him. Guild: Sand Scorpions [SS] Profession: W/Mo	i agree. our guild got to like rank 20 something with a ranger spike build, which sucked imo. were working on a new build right now and plan to get back to some gvgs

Nov 04, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18	#9
Neozeon Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: N/A Profession: R/E	We use all builds. But for GvG we run our own build. So i guess u can say we try to master every build out there pluse our own. Forsaken Sanctuary [FoSa]

Nov 04, 2005, 05:07 AM // 05:07	#10
nohooiam Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Forsaken Sanctuary Profession: Mo/Me	a lot of the builds that I've across from top guilds are quite different from the main stream builds of tombs, so i'm not exactly sure what hexbreaker is talking about. in fact there seems to be more creative/experimental builds in gvg than in tombs, mostly i would guess is due to the difference in format between tombs and gvg.

Nov 04, 2005, 12:53 PM // 12:53	#11
Kismet Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Westland, MI Guild: Karma Payment Plan <leader>	I have to agree here. In fact my guild came up against TPG in GvG, we were expecting a decent fight and ended up dealing with Resovle trappers. Seeing all these FotM builds in GvG has really put us off from doing it most of the time, it's been weeks since our last one. It'd be nice to see more originality from a guild higher ranking. And to whoever said that high ranked guilds created those builds, that's not really true. My guild was doing Ranger spike in PvE long before it was ever seen in the halls, the same goes for Ele spike...and alot of these builds are stolen from enemy PvE mobs (IWAY=White Mantle)

Nov 04, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28	#12
unienaule I dunt even get "Retired" Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	I think you need a clearer understanding of what a build is. Saying the White Mantle are the basis of IWAY builds... um... yeah... they have no pet, and they use IWAY as soon as the attack when no one is even dead. Somehow, I don't quite think that's where the current IWAY came from. Also, I hope you're not trying to take credit for spikes, since it's a blatantly obvious build that I could say I came up with since I had never heard of it before when I used it. Enemy PvE mobs have either 1)terrible PoS builds, or 2)Builds that cheat with such things as "monster skills" or 2-3 copies of the same thing (Priests in SF, anyone?) so it would be difficult to base your builds off of those. If using one skill (IWAY) qualifies as copying, then 90% of people out there copied my res sig build! Oh noes! Why doesn't somebody out there have a little originality and NOT take res sig for once?

Nov 04, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28	#13
EternalTempest Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: United States Guild: Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM] Profession: E/	Something I've thought about, when the add observer mode, it's going to be nearly impossible to have a team build secret for long. It will boil down to how well they know there own or inspired by concept and how well they execute it. The good news is with a new job, maybe more and more skills across the board the number of strategies you can use will greatly increase.

Nov 04, 2005, 01:45 PM // 13:45	#14
John TrickKnee Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ohio (The Bucknaked State) Guild: Village Idiot Priests (VIP) Profession: Mo/Me	My guild came up with the RASLALG build, so you'd better not use it, or you are stealing. Oh, Run Away Screaming Like A Little Girl.

Nov 04, 2005, 02:22 PM // 14:22	#15
Hexgame Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Guild: None Profession: W/N	Using a Modified build is not the same as using a standard Iway, foC, or spike group, I think its cool that higher rank guilds can alter it and make it kick still. But I still find it sad that you must use it to get your guild ranked low, Your just giving your credit to the skills you are using and not to your guild at all.

Nov 04, 2005, 04:16 PM // 16:16	#16
musefanalert Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: We Like Music [Loud] Profession: R/	As ive just created my guild, were currently experimenting with builds within the guild. As we have an abundance of warriors and rangers we are currently running a modified IWAY build which i had first some up with in tombs when i was in IWAY groups always getting raped by ball groups. Not gonna say what the mod is but u may have come up against it at some point, we beat rank 6 guild with it and got to the last tombs battle with a henchman