denubis · Nov 15, 2005, 01:39 AM // 01:39

Hi guys, I'm kinda interested on an account that's being sold ingame. I'm unsure if I should get it (I'm still working on the amount anyway, nothing insane mind you), but are there any "scams" out there regarding the "transfer" of accounts? If so, what should I look for to ensure that I'm not being scammed?

To be honest, I don't need another account, but what the heck, I can always use the extra storage, and if you think about it's not like I'm paying another $35 online/$50 retail for another account, it's only ingame "virtual" money. But I AM concerned if the previous owner of the account can still access or modify the account, and if there is a foolproof way to go with the transaction. Any ideas?

I just wanted to know what you guys think, or maybe you guys have had experiences like this and would like to share it with anyone who are interested in acquiring accounts using ingame money. And I've heard of offers of accounts selling from 100k to 500k, is there a "baseline" to pricing accounts?

Right now I'm prioritizing on Fissure Armor, and I can only get the armor or the account. Spend on the account or save for the Fissure Armor? Or just get the account and save for the Fissure Armor after?

Btw, the account is empty, but with a bit of unlocks. And the seller has offered me access to the account to check it, but I haven't done so because I still do not have enough money to be considered a "serious" buyer (IMHO, not the seller's opinion).

Any input would be appreciated!

Batou of Nine · Nov 15, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44

umm, EULA Rule breaking? Someone confirm.

Unless denubis is talking about buying another retail copy off ebay or something... Buying an already used Account is against EULA aint it?

Savio · Nov 15, 2005, 01:45 AM // 01:45

First off, it's against the EULA to sell/transfer accounts, no matter the cost. Second, you're most likely going to be scammed as the scammer can just change the password on the account sold.

Findariel · Nov 15, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Once you log into GW, you can immediately change the e-mailadres that's the username.

No idea why you shouldn't be able to give away/sell your account though. If you don't like the game anymore, why shouldn't you be able to sell it, like other games?

Lasareth · Nov 15, 2005, 02:21 AM // 02:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Findariel

Once you log into GW, you can immediately change the e-mailadres that's the username.

No idea why you shouldn't be able to give away/sell your account though. If you don't like the game anymore, why shouldn't you be able to sell it, like other games?

Because you sign an agreement saying you won't when you start GW

Rico Carridan · Nov 15, 2005, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Findariel

Once you log into GW, you can immediately change the e-mailadres that's the username.

No idea why you shouldn't be able to give away/sell your account though. If you don't like the game anymore, why shouldn't you be able to sell it, like other games?

Most other (MMORPGs at least) games don't let you sell your accounts, at least not officially. Some take the "at your own risk" approach, but many have similar policies to GW. I think the reason why GW enforces this so strongly is pretty obvious: the people at Anet want to keep getting their weekly paychecks. Unlike most other MMORPGs, GW doesn't have a monthly fee, so the only way they can make money is by selling copies of GW. Obviously, if players are selling accounts between each other, it means money lost to Anet.

Rico

benmanhaha · Nov 15, 2005, 02:57 AM // 02:57

I think its probably because you pay 50 bucks for an account and then for a small amount of work you can sell it for a whole lot more and make quite a bit of profit. I think the company who made the game doesnt want to lose that extra profit. I heard somewhere that a guy canceled his WoW subscription and then found out that Blizzard sold hid account to some one. I believe i heard that in the off topic section.

denubis · Nov 15, 2005, 05:16 AM // 05:16

It is against EULA? I should've read it completely. The guy said he wanted to concentrate on his "other" account, so I'm guessing he already has two. I got the offer ingame from the trade channel, so I'm kinda wary and somewhat cautious on his offer.

Can anyone confirm if it is against EULA? If so then I will have to /ponder this deal

BUT I have heard/read of previous "deals" or "transfers" of accounts from other players using ingame money. I would like to hear from those who have already concluded a transaction which is similar to mine. Anyone?

And is it possible for Anet to "ban" an account for being "transferred" to another person's ownership?

Lasareth · Nov 15, 2005, 05:25 AM // 05:25

http://www.guildwars.com/legal/rules-of-conduct.html

Quote:

10. You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying, selling, trading, sharing, or transferring access to any Guild Wars account.

Yes, doing so will cause consequences to your account.

Batou of Nine · Nov 15, 2005, 05:28 AM // 05:28

In general, Yes it is all against the EULA. More specific, do this only at your own risk. Anet most likely CAN ban that account if they get wind of it, or take any other measures they see fit.

Also, at your own risk involves legality. Since players agree to the EULA when they begin playing (whether they completely read it or not), then Anet can justifiably take legal action. OF course, such small claims would be silly, it is still a risk. Just think about what has already been said about Anet employee income. Where does it come from?

my 2 cents.

FFF_WarRaven · Nov 15, 2005, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasareth

http://www.guildwars.com/legal/rules-of-conduct.html

Yes, doing so will cause consequences to your account.

1. Go buy another account.
2. It's a scam
3. You have already broken it.
4. Get fissure armor
5. Expansion may include more slots come next year.

:::End Transmission:::

denubis · Nov 15, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Straight to the point, LOL

Thanks all! EULA FTW!

dargon · Nov 15, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by denubis

Right now I'm prioritizing on Fissure Armor, and I can only get the armor or the account. Spend on the account or save for the Fissure Armor? Or just get the account and save for the Fissure Armor after?

Given that FoW (Obsidian) armor will require you to spend game gold and the account real $$$, I assume you're thinking of buying gold from ebay etc also to get your armor. I say don't, why would you spend real money on something that has no value except in a game. Aside from the fact that the only difference between FoW/Obsidian armor and Droknars or 15K/Ascension armor is appearance. Are you really so vain that you're willing to spend $x for a few different pixels?

Pevil Lihatuh · Nov 15, 2005, 07:39 PM // 19:39

not to mention buying in-game items for real-life money is also against the eula

EternalTempest · Nov 15, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47

I would not buy another existing account (besides the EULA) you will have to buy 2 copies of chapter 2 and once chapter 2 comes out you will get at least one more slot (possible more) let alone unlocking across two accounts.

denubis · Nov 16, 2005, 11:40 AM // 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by dargon

Given that FoW (Obsidian) armor will require you to spend game gold and the account real $$$, I assume you're thinking of buying gold from ebay etc also to get your armor. I say don't, why would you spend real money on something that has no value except in a game. Aside from the fact that the only difference between FoW/Obsidian armor and Droknars or 15K/Ascension armor is appearance. Are you really so vain that you're willing to spend $x for a few different pixels?

nope, i'm not an idiot to spend real life money for ingame stuff. sheesh. i was just asking if i should get it using ingame money, and people said "RTFEULA", and i did, so it's a closed topic

Quote:

Originally Posted by EternalTempest

I would not buy another existing account (besides the EULA) you will have to buy 2 copies of chapter 2 and once chapter 2 comes out you will get at least one more slot (possible more) let alone unlocking across two accounts.

yeah i came across that issue too when people were thinking of getting another account for "storage". getting two expansions is not pretty (for my wallet anyway).

as with all things licensed:

RTFEULA.

'nuff said, thread closed

Bjornulve · Nov 24, 2005, 07:25 AM // 07:25

Originally Posted by dargon
Given that FoW (Obsidian) armor will require you to spend game gold and the account real $$$, I assume you're thinking of buying gold from ebay etc also to get your armor. I say don't, why would you spend real money on something that has no value except in a game. Aside from the fact that the only difference between FoW/Obsidian armor and Droknars or 15K/Ascension armor is appearance. Are you really so vain that you're willing to spend $x for a few different pixels
Though I would never do it myself, It could be cost effective for a person to spend $$ on game gold if it takes less time to make the $$ than it would to aquire the gold in-game.. Time is money. just my two bits

coolsti · Nov 24, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14

When you buy an account to GW you are buying a license to use the software, which in this case is the game itself which is in part on your own PC but mostly is on the servers operated by Anet. Normally when you purchase a license for a software, you are not allowed to transfer ownership. One could perhaps argue the legalities of such a restriction, but I would assume Anet is just following these usual guidelines.

This rule against transfer of ownership protects you (from being scammed) and Anet (from having to deal with customers who got scammed). It is also probably an important part of the economic viability of such a game as this, where server time is free. If one was allowed to just sell the game when tired of it (will that ever happen I wonder?) at some point in time there would be a lot of new players, but no new income for Anet to keep up the support of the game servers. That is an economic model that just would not work, i.e. the game GW would probably never have been offered in this case.

BTW a lot of people buy a second account in order to play more than 4 characters. I share a second account with my wife. Means that we will need to buy 3 upgrades when the expansion comes out. Oh well!

Hockster · Nov 24, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14

What about selling an account that has never been registered? I bought a couple extra retail packages before I knew I could have multiple characters. Is there anything against reselling unused, unopened packages at the original retail price? Or for that matter, ingame items?

HOXMAN · Nov 24, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32

if an account has not been registered and the new cd keys have not been used then all you have is the game in a box or a few of them.. and you haven't signed anything if the accounts have not been accessed.. so.. you can sell the boxed games i'd imagine or give them away as xmas/chanukah/kwanza gifts.. as for selling ingame items outside the trading formula, that's against the rules..

Nov 15, 2005, 01:39 AM // 01:39	#1
denubis Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005	Are there any guidelines/tips on "transfer" of accounts? Hi guys, I'm kinda interested on an account that's being sold ingame. I'm unsure if I should get it (I'm still working on the amount anyway, nothing insane mind you), but are there any "scams" out there regarding the "transfer" of accounts? If so, what should I look for to ensure that I'm not being scammed? To be honest, I don't need another account, but what the heck, I can always use the extra storage, and if you think about it's not like I'm paying another $35 online/$50 retail for another account, it's only ingame "virtual" money. But I AM concerned if the previous owner of the account can still access or modify the account, and if there is a foolproof way to go with the transaction. Any ideas? I just wanted to know what you guys think, or maybe you guys have had experiences like this and would like to share it with anyone who are interested in acquiring accounts using ingame money. And I've heard of offers of accounts selling from 100k to 500k, is there a "baseline" to pricing accounts? Right now I'm prioritizing on Fissure Armor, and I can only get the armor or the account. Spend on the account or save for the Fissure Armor? Or just get the account and save for the Fissure Armor after? Btw, the account is empty, but with a bit of unlocks. And the seller has offered me access to the account to check it, but I haven't done so because I still do not have enough money to be considered a "serious" buyer (IMHO, not the seller's opinion). Any input would be appreciated!

Nov 15, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44	#2
Batou of Nine Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California, USA Guild: Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T") Profession: Mo/E	umm, EULA Rule breaking? Someone confirm. Unless denubis is talking about buying another retail copy off ebay or something... Buying an already used Account is against EULA aint it?

Nov 15, 2005, 01:45 AM // 01:45	#3
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	First off, it's against the EULA to sell/transfer accounts, no matter the cost. Second, you're most likely going to be scammed as the scammer can just change the password on the account sold.

Nov 15, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06	#4
Findariel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Europe Guild: DVDF Profession: Me/E	Once you log into GW, you can immediately change the e-mailadres that's the username. No idea why you shouldn't be able to give away/sell your account though. If you don't like the game anymore, why shouldn't you be able to sell it, like other games?

Nov 15, 2005, 02:57 AM // 02:57	#7
benmanhaha Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: nowhere!!! Profession: N/Mo	I think its probably because you pay 50 bucks for an account and then for a small amount of work you can sell it for a whole lot more and make quite a bit of profit. I think the company who made the game doesnt want to lose that extra profit. I heard somewhere that a guy canceled his WoW subscription and then found out that Blizzard sold hid account to some one. I believe i heard that in the off topic section.

Nov 15, 2005, 05:16 AM // 05:16	#8
denubis Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005	It is against EULA? I should've read it completely. The guy said he wanted to concentrate on his "other" account, so I'm guessing he already has two. I got the offer ingame from the trade channel, so I'm kinda wary and somewhat cautious on his offer. Can anyone confirm if it is against EULA? If so then I will have to /ponder this deal BUT I have heard/read of previous "deals" or "transfers" of accounts from other players using ingame money. I would like to hear from those who have already concluded a transaction which is similar to mine. Anyone? And is it possible for Anet to "ban" an account for being "transferred" to another person's ownership?

Nov 15, 2005, 05:28 AM // 05:28	#10
Batou of Nine Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: California, USA Guild: Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T") Profession: Mo/E	In general, Yes it is all against the EULA. More specific, do this only at your own risk. Anet most likely CAN ban that account if they get wind of it, or take any other measures they see fit. Also, at your own risk involves legality. Since players agree to the EULA when they begin playing (whether they completely read it or not), then Anet can justifiably take legal action. OF course, such small claims would be silly, it is still a risk. Just think about what has already been said about Anet employee income. Where does it come from? my 2 cents.

Nov 15, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27	#12
denubis Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005	Straight to the point, LOL Thanks all! EULA FTW!

Nov 15, 2005, 07:39 PM // 19:39	#14
Pevil Lihatuh Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Yorkshire, UK Profession: R/Me	not to mention buying in-game items for real-life money is also against the eula

Nov 15, 2005, 07:47 PM // 19:47	#15
EternalTempest Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: United States Guild: Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM] Profession: E/	I would not buy another existing account (besides the EULA) you will have to buy 2 copies of chapter 2 and once chapter 2 comes out you will get at least one more slot (possible more) let alone unlocking across two accounts.

Nov 24, 2005, 07:25 AM // 07:25	#17
Bjornulve Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: R/Me	Originally Posted by dargon Given that FoW (Obsidian) armor will require you to spend game gold and the account real $$$, I assume you're thinking of buying gold from ebay etc also to get your armor. I say don't, why would you spend real money on something that has no value except in a game. Aside from the fact that the only difference between FoW/Obsidian armor and Droknars or 15K/Ascension armor is appearance. Are you really so vain that you're willing to spend $x for a few different pixels Though I would never do it myself, It could be cost effective for a person to spend $$ on game gold if it takes less time to make the $$ than it would to aquire the gold in-game.. Time is money. just my two bits

Nov 24, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14	#18
coolsti Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Denmark	When you buy an account to GW you are buying a license to use the software, which in this case is the game itself which is in part on your own PC but mostly is on the servers operated by Anet. Normally when you purchase a license for a software, you are not allowed to transfer ownership. One could perhaps argue the legalities of such a restriction, but I would assume Anet is just following these usual guidelines. This rule against transfer of ownership protects you (from being scammed) and Anet (from having to deal with customers who got scammed). It is also probably an important part of the economic viability of such a game as this, where server time is free. If one was allowed to just sell the game when tired of it (will that ever happen I wonder?) at some point in time there would be a lot of new players, but no new income for Anet to keep up the support of the game servers. That is an economic model that just would not work, i.e. the game GW would probably never have been offered in this case. BTW a lot of people buy a second account in order to play more than 4 characters. I share a second account with my wife. Means that we will need to buy 3 upgrades when the expansion comes out. Oh well!

Nov 24, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14	#19
Hockster Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	What about selling an account that has never been registered? I bought a couple extra retail packages before I knew I could have multiple characters. Is there anything against reselling unused, unopened packages at the original retail price? Or for that matter, ingame items?

Nov 24, 2005, 12:32 PM // 12:32	#20
HOXMAN Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: TN, USA Guild: Amber Order [AMBR] Profession: E/Me	if an account has not been registered and the new cd keys have not been used then all you have is the game in a box or a few of them.. and you haven't signed anything if the accounts have not been accessed.. so.. you can sell the boxed games i'd imagine or give them away as xmas/chanukah/kwanza gifts.. as for selling ingame items outside the trading formula, that's against the rules..