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rugal nuker · Nov 21, 2005, 04:04 AM // 04:04

Is it worth it to sacrifices 75 health for a superior hammer/sword/axe rune for a warrior?As i know,health is important for a warrior...so,if u give up 75 health for the sake of impoving ur dmg of weapon of 3 attribute,is it worth it? anyone can help?

heist23 · Nov 21, 2005, 04:07 AM // 04:07

most people would say yes, as a superior axe mastery would give a Tiger's Fury axe build the extra punch it needs.

i'd also agree, as superior runes give that much-needed +3 in any attribute line. if you ever use a superior rune, though, try not to use any major or superior runes with it.

Former Ruling · Nov 21, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09

Simple answers are no, Sup runes aren't worth it MOST of the time. Only if health isn't a big concern.

I think the big Sup Rune craze is basically over - and people realize that them dying quicker isn't worth the +2 damage or w/e it gives them in the long run.

Banebow · Nov 21, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09

I doubt I will ever see a reason to not have a superior warrior weapon rune. . .in PvP. If you mean in PvE, then I think it depends on what you want to run. If you wish to be a meat shield, then no, you don't want the weapon rune, but you may want a superior tactics rune, if you are using a lot of tactics-based skills.

heist23 · Nov 21, 2005, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Simple answers are no, Sup runes aren't worth it MOST of the time. Only if health isn't a big concern.

as far as i know, superior runes are only required in "invincimonk" builds. (builds that take advantage of the health loss and Protective Spirit's <10% damage reduction.)

Former Ruling · Nov 21, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Also Casters dont care that much.

rugal nuker · Nov 21, 2005, 04:19 AM // 04:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by heist23

most people would say yes, as a superior axe mastery would give a Tiger's Fury axe build the extra punch it needs.

i'd also agree, as superior runes give that much-needed +3 in any attribute line. if you ever use a superior rune, though, try not to use any major or superior runes with it.

tiger's fury build? lol,tiger's fury is for rangers...is it? don get it..

Akhilleus · Nov 21, 2005, 04:19 AM // 04:19

as far as im concerned only minor and superior runes are useful.
there is NO excuse not to have minor runes. superior runes, however, come with a question; is the added 2 points to a skill worth the loss of 75 HP? i'd say the answer is pretty much a guerenteed "yes." that having been said, the maximum "base" hp (without skills, spells, etc) is 590 (480+50+30+30).
so with a superior rune this brings you down to 515 HP; a pretty decent amount.
now i can tell you, at first i was a little hesitant to keep my sup swordsmanship rune, because 75 hp is quite a bit when you're talking numbers as small as they are in GW. however, the damage was a MAJOR pay-off. it upped my 2 sword skills final strike and galrath slash from 34 to 40 damage, and my "bonus" (the increase in damage you receive for every skill level +12) damage by an inherent 10% or so. i've now been using the sup swordsmanship rune for a bit over a month, and i'd never go back.
however, i would NOT use 2 sup warrior runes in combination unless you needed them to increase a certain skill to meet item requirements, in order for you to be able to divulge more points into a non-warrior class skill-line.
example; you need 11 tactics to function, but you want to put more points into beast mastery, so you get a sup tactics rune, putting you at 13 tactics, then drop it by 2 points (backt to 11) in order to put more points into beast-mastery.
that is the only concieveable reason i can think of for a warrior to use more than 1 "penalty rune" (obviously excluding sup absorb/vigor).

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Originally Posted by rugal nuker

tiger's fury build? lol,tiger's fury is for rangers...is it? don get it..

w/rs.
the build is most commonly an axe warrior with:
tigers fury + eviscerate, executioners, axe twist, axe rake, etc
or
tigers fury + cleave, executioners, disrupting chop, wild blow, etc

rugal nuker · Nov 21, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akhilleus

as far as im concerned only minor and superior runes are useful.
there is NO excuse not to have minor runes. superior runes, however, come with a question; is the added 2 points to a skill worth the loss of 75 HP? i'd say the answer is pretty much a guerenteed "yes." that having been said, the maximum "base" hp (without skills, spells, etc) is 590 (480+50+30+30).
so with a superior rune this brings you down to 515 HP; a pretty decent amount.
now i can tell you, at first i was a little hesitant to keep my sup swordsmanship rune, because 75 hp is quite a bit when you're talking numbers as small as they are in GW. however, the damage was a MAJOR pay-off. it upped my 2 sword skills final strike and galrath slash from 34 to 40 damage, and my "bonus" (the increase in damage you receive for every skill level +12) damage by an inherent 10% or so. i've now been using the sup swordsmanship rune for a bit over a month, and i'd never go back.
however, i would NOT use 2 sup warrior runes in combination unless you needed them to increase a certain skill to meet item requirements, in order for you to be able to divulge more points into a non-warrior class skill-line.
example; you need 11 tactics to function, but you want to put more points into beast mastery, so you get a sup tactics rune, putting you at 13 tactics, then drop it by 2 points (backt to 11) in order to put more points into beast-mastery.
that is the only concieveable reason i can think of for a warrior to use more than 1 "penalty rune" (obviously excluding sup absorb/vigor).

w/rs.
the build is most commonly an axe warrior with:
tigers fury + eviscerate, executioners, axe twist, axe rake, etc
or
tigers fury + cleave, executioners, disrupting chop, wild blow, etc

480+50+30+30? do u mean the max hp u can get? 480+50(sup vgor)+30 weapon mod+30 shiled? or what?

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 21, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33

It's a simple as: Can you afford to lose the HP?

Examples: If you can afford to lose the HP for the superior rune, you obviously have:

1. A rune of vigor, minor/major/or superior
2. HP mods on your weapon
3. HP+ while enchanted on shields.

If you can meet any of those three requirements, sure, sup rune away. In the long run it won't really effect you, as you get endure/defy pain and stances that ignore melee/arrows..HP really doesn't matter a whole lot, if you can keep healed <albeit it through monks or henchmen monks>

If you can, again, Sup rune away.

--The Shim

MCS · Nov 21, 2005, 08:36 AM // 08:36

PvE if you're the meatshield it's probably not best to use too many sups but 1 really won't matter, everyone else can use em (obviously not like 5 or something)

PvP warriors can use 2 sups (str/wep) and it really doesn't even matter, you're last to be hit so if they're hitting you then you've already lost.

Other classes it's usually best to use the 1 sup for your main attribute.

Yukito Kunisaki · Nov 21, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

You only need a superior rune for your chosen stat line. You want one of your stats to be 16. That way, you'll get the most out of it. Most people only need 3-4 stats and 16/9/8/8 or 16/9/10 are really all the stat setups you'd normally need.

That and sup. weapon runes are EASILY cancelled out by use of a Fortitude Weapon, and Sup. Vigor. Done properly, the -75 can be over shot by +80 or more hp from weapon mods, shields, and runes.

hmyk · Nov 21, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33

If you are monk, dont use superiors.. Just vigor one.

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 21, 2005, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by hmyk

If you are monk, dont use superiors.. Just vigor one.

I beg to differ, my monk has 2 sup runes in healing/divine. It doesn't make a real difference, if you're really a monk anyways, you can heal damage hit to you, or if you're prot, you can prevent it from happening ^_-

--The Shim

Yichi · Nov 21, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

I always use 1 sup rune for my main skill. if im a healer then i use a sup healing. for warrior i use a sup axe. for my ranger a sup marks, etc....

The sup runes can be canceled easily. (50 from sup vigor and 30 from weapon = +80 health-75 from rune = +5 health gain total)

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 21, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

I always use 1 sup rune for my main skill. if im a healer then i use a sup healing. for warrior i use a sup axe. for my ranger a sup marks, etc....

The sup runes can be canceled easily. (50 from sup vigor and 30 from weapon = +80 health-75 from rune = +5 health gain total)

Yup. My monk's staff is +60hp, so it almost cancels one out. =)

--The Shim

audioaxes · Nov 21, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

i use superiors in all my builds except monks
i usually run a 12-12-10 prot-divine-inspiration boon monk
i tried throwing on a superior divine and prot and it didnt seem that necessary.

Shimus DarkRaven · Nov 21, 2005, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by audioaxes

i use superiors in all my builds except monks
i usually run a 12-12-10 prot-divine-inspiration boon monk
i tried throwing on a superior divine and prot and it didnt seem that necessary.

Not really needed, but I like any extra HP I can heal or irk out of my spells.

--The Shim

Chosen Prey · Nov 21, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57

what does sup. vigor give you? like how much extra hp i mean... i just got a major axe mastery, but i'm thinking about it... not willing to have a -50hp on my only 510 or 520hp warrior...

Akhilleus · Nov 21, 2005, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by rugal nuker

480+50+30+30? do u mean the max hp u can get? 480+50(sup vgor)+30 weapon mod+30 shiled? or what?

or a 30/30 staff.

but i mean base hp, obviously a +45 ench shield would raise your hp higher, while you're enchanted.
or if you're using endure pain, vital blessing, etc. im only counting the amount of hp you have that doesnt change unless you have some sort of effect.

Nov 21, 2005, 04:04 AM // 04:04	#1
rugal nuker Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: E/Mo	Is it worth it to sacrifices 75 health? Is it worth it to sacrifices 75 health for a superior hammer/sword/axe rune for a warrior?As i know,health is important for a warrior...so,if u give up 75 health for the sake of impoving ur dmg of weapon of 3 attribute,is it worth it? anyone can help?

Nov 21, 2005, 08:36 AM // 08:36	#11
MCS Banned Join Date: May 2005	PvE if you're the meatshield it's probably not best to use too many sups but 1 really won't matter, everyone else can use em (obviously not like 5 or something) PvP warriors can use 2 sups (str/wep) and it really doesn't even matter, you're last to be hit so if they're hitting you then you've already lost. Other classes it's usually best to use the 1 sup for your main attribute. __________________ I just wanted to see if I can do this. Leet.

Nov 21, 2005, 04:07 AM // 04:07	#2
heist23 Journeyman Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: R/Mo	most people would say yes, as a superior axe mastery would give a Tiger's Fury axe build the extra punch it needs. i'd also agree, as superior runes give that much-needed +3 in any attribute line. if you ever use a superior rune, though, try not to use any major or superior runes with it.

Nov 21, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09	#3
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Simple answers are no, Sup runes aren't worth it MOST of the time. Only if health isn't a big concern. I think the big Sup Rune craze is basically over - and people realize that them dying quicker isn't worth the +2 damage or w/e it gives them in the long run.

Nov 21, 2005, 04:09 AM // 04:09	#4
Banebow Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: [KoA] Knights of the Alliance Profession: Me/	I doubt I will ever see a reason to not have a superior warrior weapon rune. . .in PvP. If you mean in PvE, then I think it depends on what you want to run. If you wish to be a meat shield, then no, you don't want the weapon rune, but you may want a superior tactics rune, if you are using a lot of tactics-based skills.

Nov 21, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11	#6
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Also Casters dont care that much.

Nov 21, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33	#10
Shimus DarkRaven Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Titusville, PA <nowhere> Guild: KOD <Knights of the Dragonrose><Guild Officer> Profession: W/Mo	It's a simple as: Can you afford to lose the HP? Examples: If you can afford to lose the HP for the superior rune, you obviously have: 1. A rune of vigor, minor/major/or superior 2. HP mods on your weapon 3. HP+ while enchanted on shields. If you can meet any of those three requirements, sure, sup rune away. In the long run it won't really effect you, as you get endure/defy pain and stances that ignore melee/arrows..HP really doesn't matter a whole lot, if you can keep healed <albeit it through monks or henchmen monks> If you can, again, Sup rune away. --The Shim

Nov 21, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28	#12
Yukito Kunisaki Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Profession: W/N	You only need a superior rune for your chosen stat line. You want one of your stats to be 16. That way, you'll get the most out of it. Most people only need 3-4 stats and 16/9/8/8 or 16/9/10 are really all the stat setups you'd normally need. That and sup. weapon runes are EASILY cancelled out by use of a Fortitude Weapon, and Sup. Vigor. Done properly, the -75 can be over shot by +80 or more hp from weapon mods, shields, and runes.

Nov 21, 2005, 03:33 PM // 15:33	#13
hmyk Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Finland Guild: Mul On Mese	If you are monk, dont use superiors.. Just vigor one.

Nov 21, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44	#15
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	I always use 1 sup rune for my main skill. if im a healer then i use a sup healing. for warrior i use a sup axe. for my ranger a sup marks, etc.... The sup runes can be canceled easily. (50 from sup vigor and 30 from weapon = +80 health-75 from rune = +5 health gain total)

Nov 21, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51	#17
audioaxes Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	i use superiors in all my builds except monks i usually run a 12-12-10 prot-divine-inspiration boon monk i tried throwing on a superior divine and prot and it didnt seem that necessary.

Nov 21, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57	#19
Chosen Prey Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Too many places to name	what does sup. vigor give you? like how much extra hp i mean... i just got a major axe mastery, but i'm thinking about it... not willing to have a -50hp on my only 510 or 520hp warrior...