Question about caster weapons - Guild Wars Forums

ophidian409 · Dec 05, 2005, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I heard that the max fast recharge and fast cast you can have is 20% adding up and offhand and weapon, but someone also said the mod on weapon and offhand don't stack. Can anyone tell me the truth?

Yichi · Dec 05, 2005, 09:26 AM // 09:26

They will stack, but if you have 20% on your offhand, then the other 20% on your main weapon will only be 20% of the 80% left. it basically equals out to about 36% improved overall roughly.

ophidian409 · Dec 05, 2005, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Oh thx for your information, I am happy to know that now

Shimus DarkRaven · Dec 05, 2005, 09:52 AM // 09:52

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Originally Posted by MistressYichi

...20% on your offhand, then the other 20% on your main weapon will only be 20% of the 80% left. it basically equals out to about 36% improved...

These <the post/facts> are of my personal research, not really appliable to another person unless they graphed the same results <I know, I'm a nerd!>

These are examples from my research. I'll post the graphs as soon as I can get my scanner up and goin.

I don't believe they fire like that. Here's my reason why:

Each individual item would have to trigger on it's own, which means a 20/100% chance <roughly 1/5> ..nailing both is an off chance, I don't believe hitting a 20% already takes the chance away from the other item down to 80%. You're still casting/using both, one doesn't add to the other, until both are triggered, thus effectively hitting a 40% faster recharge, as simplemath, not forumalaic to get the "specific" % recharge, but loose estimates work well based around this data. I'm not saying it's not 36%, that's not the point of my post.

At least in my experience with some paper+pen plotted graphs, this is the data I get. On the off chance both fire the recharge rate at 20% = 5% chance casting spells simultaneously. Again, these are my personal graphs. Take them as you will. I'm sure other people "know" these results as well; these are just my experience.

I'm not one for cookie-cutter "exact numbers" but relying on them to both fire seems like an icky-situation. If some people just like it as a bonus; thats cool, but I've actually seen some casters rely on it. Not saying this isn't a good way to go; unless you're a gambling type. 1/5 chance on hand and 1/5 chance on offhand, really amounts still to a 1/5 chance when you cast they'll both fire. It's not totally "far out" there, but it's a little difficult again, to rely on.

To Paraphrase. They do not stack. They fire individually. And when, on the chance % you do hit both, yes I will agree it's not a full 40% faster recharge, but it's still a bit far to rely on for consistent results. That's all.

--The Shim

ophidian409 · Dec 05, 2005, 10:01 AM // 10:01

Yes I also heard they fire individually. If so, the precentage would be 20%+20% not 36%. It would be difficult to do the experiement even if u do 100 times, the percentage would be around 35-41 you can't couclude 40% is right even the result is 40%, unless you do several 100 times.

Shimus DarkRaven · Dec 05, 2005, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by ophidian409

Yes I also heard they fire individually. If so, the precentage would be 20%+20% not 36%. It would be difficult to do the experiement even if u do 100 times, the percentage would be around 35-41 you can't couclude 40% is right even the result is 40%, unless you do several 100 times.

Actually my graphs are done on a run of 233 spells. I wanted to end on a high-end odd-number for true-to-date results.

Even then, I'd like to run it by several THOUSAND times..only then would it be truly accurate.

--The Shim

ophidian409 · Dec 05, 2005, 10:14 AM // 10:14

lol I agree it would be pretty accurate if u can run so many times

unienaule · Dec 05, 2005, 11:33 AM // 11:33

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Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven

1/5 chance on hand and 1/5 chance on offhand, really amounts still to a 1/5 chance when you cast they'll both fire. It's not totally "far out" there, but it's a little difficult again, to rely on.

To Paraphrase. They do not stack. They fire individually. And when, on the chance % you do hit both, yes I will agree it's not a full 40% faster recharge, but it's still a bit far to rely on for consistent results. That's all.

--The Shim

Ok.
From the 36/4 math, it doesn't lower the chance to 80%, the 4% "super fast" recharge is that other 20%.
Therefore, they don't exactly stack, but what people mean when they ask is, "Do I get a bonus for equipping both?" So the answer to that is yes.

Shimus DarkRaven · Dec 05, 2005, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by unienaule

Ok.
From the 36/4 math, it doesn't lower the chance to 80%, the 4% "super fast" recharge is that other 20%.
Therefore, they don't exactly stack, but what people mean when they ask is, "Do I get a bonus for equipping both?" So the answer to that is yes.

Only if they hit the % chance. You can't say they get bonus full time, Is all I'm saying. I'm sure you knew that.

--The Shim

Dec 05, 2005, 09:21 AM // 09:21	#1
ophidian409 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/R	Question about caster weapons I heard that the max fast recharge and fast cast you can have is 20% adding up and offhand and weapon, but someone also said the mod on weapon and offhand don't stack. Can anyone tell me the truth?

Dec 05, 2005, 09:26 AM // 09:26	#2
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	They will stack, but if you have 20% on your offhand, then the other 20% on your main weapon will only be 20% of the 80% left. it basically equals out to about 36% improved overall roughly.

Dec 05, 2005, 09:35 AM // 09:35	#3
ophidian409 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/R	Oh thx for your information, I am happy to know that now

Dec 05, 2005, 10:01 AM // 10:01	#5
ophidian409 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/R	Yes I also heard they fire individually. If so, the precentage would be 20%+20% not 36%. It would be difficult to do the experiement even if u do 100 times, the percentage would be around 35-41 you can't couclude 40% is right even the result is 40%, unless you do several 100 times.

Dec 05, 2005, 10:14 AM // 10:14	#7
ophidian409 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/R	lol I agree it would be pretty accurate if u can run so many times