Undead, Skeletons...Tengu and Avari??? - Guild Wars Forums

skull · Dec 12, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10

Hi,

I looked though search but didn't find much that would help me here.

Is there a guide anywhere stating what creatures belong to the different classes or anything about creature classification?

For example:

Are Shadow Creatures classified as Undead?
What class are Aatxes and Abysals?
Are Avari in the Shiverpeaks really Tengu (both are birds)?
Are bone dragons skeltons or undead?

skull

Caelus The Fallen · Dec 12, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03

Well, its Avicara as opposed to Caromi - both are Tengu.
As for the others... Im sure someone will jump in.

Shimus DarkRaven · Dec 12, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Caelus The Fallen

Well, its Avicara as opposed to Caromi - both are Tengu.
As for the others... Im sure someone will jump in.

*Cough* on Cue!
Avicara and Caromi - Tengu
Bone Dragons - Undead.
Shadow creatures are their own category.
Aatxes are classified under minotaurs.
Shadow Beasts are shadow creatures.
Abyssals? Might be trolls, can't tell. If not, they're shadow.

This is coming from my personal experience, anyways.

--The Shim

Loviatar · Dec 12, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

might be something here

http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

Sol_Vie · Dec 12, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

I'm not sure if shadow creatures are undead... they don't take double damage from smiting prayers, so they might not be. Bone Dragons are undead though.

Dammit I got beat to it x2.

skull · Dec 13, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52

OK.

Thanks for the replies.

I guess I am a bit confused about weapons MODs that give amplified damage against certain creatures. i.e. What are classified as Skeletons and what are classified as Undead?

So will my bow grip of skeleton slaying +20% will work against Skeleton Ether Breakers for example...even though they are considered as Undead? And what creatures are affected by an Undead bow grip?

I am confused.

skull

Numa Pompilius · Dec 13, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Skeletons (e.g. skeleton archer, necrid horseman, and those dog things) are undead, but not all undead are skeletons.
There's also e.g. zombies, grasping ghouls, and executioners - the guys with flesh on the bones.

LordMahal · Dec 13, 2005, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Ok... If undead are skeletons, then what is Skeleton slaying for? And dont say not all skeletons are undead... Deathbane and skeleton slaying must be one in the same then. Has anybody tested this difference? Best place to test this is FOW or that undead quest in beetletun. Trouble is I dont have a skeleton mod, only undead cause Ive always thought it was the same. Anything dead that walks is undead, skeleton or not.

Demon Kyrillion · Dec 13, 2005, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by LordMahal

Ok... If undead are skeletons, then what is Skeleton slaying for? And dont say not all skeletons are undead... Deathbane and skeleton slaying must be one in the same then. Has anybody tested this difference? Best place to test this is FOW or that undead quest in beetletun. Trouble is I dont have a skeleton mod, only undead cause Ive always thought it was the same. Anything dead that walks is undead, skeleton or not.

i think teh skeleton thing only comes on shields, eg. +4 armor vs skelletons, or if tehre is actually a weapons upgrades, then i would say that the "undead"would be:

warlocks, Eledude (forgot name),Grasping Ghoul, wraith, Big hammer guy (forgot name), and undead cleric dudes.

the "skelletons" would me, skelleton mesmers, rangers, hellhounds, beserkers, raging cadavers (pre-searing), angry soul (pre-searing) and skull reaver (pre-searing).

the difference between undead and skelletons i think is: effects such as poinson, bleeding and deep wound work on Warlocks, hammer dudes and Ghouls, those effects dont work on rangers or mesmers

darkMishkin · Dec 13, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10

Ye, I would go for 'Bleeders' being undead (read: zombies), and the rest as jack skellingtons.

By the way; are all undead weak Vs Blunt? Or just Skeletons?

chippxero · Dec 13, 2005, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by LordMahal

Ok... If undead are skeletons, then what is Skeleton slaying for?

You're reading it the wrong way.

Undead arn't skeletons, Skeletons are undead.

Skeletons are a group that belongs in a bigger group Undead (IMO)

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Originally Posted by LordMahal

And dont say not all skeletons are undead...

All skeletons come under the bigger group of undead, If you have a mod of vs Undead then it covers all Skeletons and other creatures like warlocks and ghouls.

LordMahal · Dec 13, 2005, 01:17 PM // 13:17

So then whats the point of skeleton slaying? Why single out a small part of a larger group? And yes I worder my statement wrong, that doesnt mean I didnt understand what we were talking about.

chippxero · Dec 13, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24

I assume that maybe the Vs skeleton bonuses might go higher than the Vs Undead ones.

This is just speculation.

skull · Dec 13, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Originally Posted by LordMahal

So then whats the point of skeleton slaying? Why single out a small part of a larger group? And yes I worder my statement wrong, that doesnt mean I didnt understand what we were talking about.

You hit the nail on the head. This makes no sense to me why they would have such a weapons MOD that is effectively negated by another more encompassing one (Deathbane Mod).

I was thinking this to be the case with Tengu slaying as well as there is only a very limited area where creatures named 'Tengu' exist in the game. But understanding that Caromi and Avicara are also covered under the same weapons Mod, I think this is OK.

However with the Undead / Skeleton thing this to me makes no sense. It is like creating a 'Jungle Troll' Slaying MOD within the 'Troll' slaying MOD.

Oh well. I have to go out and test in FoW if my skeleton slaying bow grip works at all.

skull

Dec 12, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10	#1
skull Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Out There... Profession: E/Mo	Undead, Skeletons...Tengu and Avari??? Hi, I looked though search but didn't find much that would help me here. Is there a guide anywhere stating what creatures belong to the different classes or anything about creature classification? For example: Are Shadow Creatures classified as Undead? What class are Aatxes and Abysals? Are Avari in the Shiverpeaks really Tengu (both are birds)? Are bone dragons skeltons or undead? skull

Dec 12, 2005, 04:03 PM // 16:03	#2
Caelus The Fallen Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Glasgow Guild: Voice of the Darkness Profession: E/Mo	Well, its Avicara as opposed to Caromi - both are Tengu. As for the others... Im sure someone will jump in.

Dec 12, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07	#4
Loviatar Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Feb 2005	might be something here http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

Dec 12, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07	#5
Sol_Vie Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston, MA Guild: Blood Of Orr [BoO]	I'm not sure if shadow creatures are undead... they don't take double damage from smiting prayers, so they might not be. Bone Dragons are undead though. Dammit I got beat to it x2.

Dec 13, 2005, 11:52 AM // 11:52	#6
skull Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Out There... Profession: E/Mo	OK. Thanks for the replies. I guess I am a bit confused about weapons MODs that give amplified damage against certain creatures. i.e. What are classified as Skeletons and what are classified as Undead? So will my bow grip of skeleton slaying +20% will work against Skeleton Ether Breakers for example...even though they are considered as Undead? And what creatures are affected by an Undead bow grip? I am confused. skull

Dec 13, 2005, 12:27 PM // 12:27	#7
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Skeletons (e.g. skeleton archer, necrid horseman, and those dog things) are undead, but not all undead are skeletons. There's also e.g. zombies, grasping ghouls, and executioners - the guys with flesh on the bones.

Dec 13, 2005, 12:45 PM // 12:45	#8
LordMahal Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany Profession: R/Mo	Ok... If undead are skeletons, then what is Skeleton slaying for? And dont say not all skeletons are undead... Deathbane and skeleton slaying must be one in the same then. Has anybody tested this difference? Best place to test this is FOW or that undead quest in beetletun. Trouble is I dont have a skeleton mod, only undead cause Ive always thought it was the same. Anything dead that walks is undead, skeleton or not.

Dec 13, 2005, 01:10 PM // 13:10	#10
darkMishkin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: Mo/	Ye, I would go for 'Bleeders' being undead (read: zombies), and the rest as jack skellingtons. By the way; are all undead weak Vs Blunt? Or just Skeletons?

Dec 13, 2005, 01:17 PM // 13:17	#12
LordMahal Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany Profession: R/Mo	So then whats the point of skeleton slaying? Why single out a small part of a larger group? And yes I worder my statement wrong, that doesnt mean I didnt understand what we were talking about.

Dec 13, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24	#13
chippxero Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: norfolk Guild: Super Anti Rabbit Squad [SARS] Profession: Mo/Me	I assume that maybe the Vs skeleton bonuses might go higher than the Vs Undead ones. This is just speculation.