Kylista · Dec 13, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Question, I am a W/MO and cast retribution which says, while you maintain this "Enchantment", whenever target ally takes attack damage, this spell deals 33% of the damage back to the source. My party member is a minion master so does his minions get the effect of retribution?

Better question do allies only apply if they are added to the ally section in the party list box?

Thanks.....

Sol_Vie · Dec 13, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19

No, they don't. Your ally's minions are not your allies.

Second question: Yes. I think.

Hells Vengeance · Dec 13, 2005, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Correction, yes your enchantments are castable on minions. For instance a good build for Minion Master (MM) is to equip Death Nova on a minion just about to die, but I don't do that because too much micro-management.

eom · Dec 13, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11

can't speak on this particular spell, but minions are allies.
I have heard that your own character is also considered an 'ally', for spell purposes, as long as it doesn't specifically prohibit using it on the caster.

sounds to me like you could use this spell on minions, but you'd have to pick a particular one --- you can't cast it on the mm hoping all his minions will benefit.

just my guess.

darkMishkin · Dec 13, 2005, 10:09 AM // 10:09

Wait wait wait, have any of you read the question?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kylista

My party member is a minion master so does his minions get the effect of retribution?

Hell no. You want some allied minions to deal 33% damage back to their attacker? You cast retribution on them, not on their owner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol_Vie

No, they don't. Your ally's minions are not your allies.

Your allies minions are your allies too.

Kylista · Dec 13, 2005, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Ok I thought I had it but now I am confused....

AS A WARRIOR / MONK
I cast retribution on myself, would it effect the minions of a MM necro in my group?
Does any enchantment I cast effect the minions of a MM necro in my group?

AS A NECRO / MONK
I cast retribution on myself, would it effect the minions I control?

I guess I was always under the impression that unless the NPC/Monster showed up on my allies list in the party information dialog they are not catorized as allies.....

darkMishkin · Dec 13, 2005, 01:14 PM // 13:14

Quote:

while you maintain this "Enchantment", whenever target ally takes attack damage, this spell deals 33% of the damage back to the source.

Target Ally = The Ally you are targeting. Only. The Ally. You are targeting.

If you cast Retribution of yourself, only YOU will be affected by it.
If you cast Retribution on a MM, only the MM will be affected by it.
If you cast Retribution of a minion, only the minion will be affected by it.

As with ALL maintained enchantments.

Kylista · Dec 13, 2005, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Ok, I misunderstood the retribution skill, yes I see how it works, target ally not allies.....ok then 1 last question, if as a W/MO I cast charge or shields up or anything else which effects all allies are minions from a MM affected by this as well?

Thanks!

darkMishkin · Dec 13, 2005, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Right, that is a harder question to answer. Easiest way is make one minion and use "Charge!" next to him; see if he keeps up as you run away. Pets are apparently affected by Warrior shouts, but though minions are considered allies, they may well not benefit.

I'll test it for you when I get home, or maybe some great great person could clear this up right now...

fiery · Dec 13, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27

if they arent in the party screen, no effect.

haha and second why would a w/monk be in a MM?

Kylista · Dec 13, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

I never said as a W/MO are MY minions affected, I asked if minions of a MM be affected from my shields up or charge skills.....

DeanBB · Dec 13, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Just in case the line of questions leads here...

Minions are not healed with Heal Party, but would be if close enough for a Heal Area. Only party members, not allies and pets, are healed by Heal Party. You can also cast direct heals on them, such as Orisons, by targeting them first.

Dec 13, 2005, 03:12 AM // 03:12	#1
Kylista Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2005	Question on allies Question, I am a W/MO and cast retribution which says, while you maintain this "Enchantment", whenever target ally takes attack damage, this spell deals 33% of the damage back to the source. My party member is a minion master so does his minions get the effect of retribution? Better question do allies only apply if they are added to the ally section in the party list box? Thanks.....

Dec 13, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19	#2
Sol_Vie Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston, MA Guild: Blood Of Orr [BoO]	No, they don't. Your ally's minions are not your allies. Second question: Yes. I think.

Dec 13, 2005, 03:57 AM // 03:57	#3
Hells Vengeance Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Eight Deadly Sins Profession: W/Mo	Correction, yes your enchantments are castable on minions. For instance a good build for Minion Master (MM) is to equip Death Nova on a minion just about to die, but I don't do that because too much micro-management.

Dec 13, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11	#4
eom Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: W/N	can't speak on this particular spell, but minions are allies. I have heard that your own character is also considered an 'ally', for spell purposes, as long as it doesn't specifically prohibit using it on the caster. sounds to me like you could use this spell on minions, but you'd have to pick a particular one --- you can't cast it on the mm hoping all his minions will benefit. just my guess.

Dec 13, 2005, 01:06 PM // 13:06	#6
Kylista Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2005	Ok I thought I had it but now I am confused.... AS A WARRIOR / MONK I cast retribution on myself, would it effect the minions of a MM necro in my group? Does any enchantment I cast effect the minions of a MM necro in my group? AS A NECRO / MONK I cast retribution on myself, would it effect the minions I control? I guess I was always under the impression that unless the NPC/Monster showed up on my allies list in the party information dialog they are not catorized as allies.....

Dec 13, 2005, 01:18 PM // 13:18	#8
Kylista Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2005	Ok, I misunderstood the retribution skill, yes I see how it works, target ally not allies.....ok then 1 last question, if as a W/MO I cast charge or shields up or anything else which effects all allies are minions from a MM affected by this as well? Thanks!

Dec 13, 2005, 01:30 PM // 13:30	#9
darkMishkin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: Mo/	Right, that is a harder question to answer. Easiest way is make one minion and use "Charge!" next to him; see if he keeps up as you run away. Pets are apparently affected by Warrior shouts, but though minions are considered allies, they may well not benefit. I'll test it for you when I get home, or maybe some great great person could clear this up right now...

Dec 13, 2005, 02:27 PM // 14:27	#10
fiery Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: maryland Guild: InYurFace Gaming [IYF] Profession: R/	if they arent in the party screen, no effect. haha and second why would a w/monk be in a MM?

Dec 13, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37	#11
Kylista Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2005	I never said as a W/MO are MY minions affected, I asked if minions of a MM be affected from my shields up or charge skills.....

Dec 13, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07	#12
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	Just in case the line of questions leads here... Minions are not healed with Heal Party, but would be if close enough for a Heal Area. Only party members, not allies and pets, are healed by Heal Party. You can also cast direct heals on them, such as Orisons, by targeting them first.