BLEEDING question: How long does this condition last? - Guild Wars Forums

jgortner · Dec 12, 2005, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Hi,

Very simple question: If you use say, sever artery, on someone, how long does this condition last? That is, how long will they stay bleeding for assuming that nothing clears the condition?

I'm asking becuase I'm interested in getting a barbed sword haft and was wondering how much it would lengthen it by.

Thank you very much!

Isaac Ixbane
Icarus Ixbane

BeatWolf · Dec 12, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

If this attack hits, the opponent begins bleeding for 5-21 seconds, losing health over time.

The more you put into Swordsmanship the longer the bleeding.. and i think barbed sword hilt makes the bleeding last 20% longer.. not sure though.

Ruin · Dec 12, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35

33% length increase. Same for Poisoner's, etc.

DeanBB · Dec 12, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Equip the skill and adjust the Sword attribute to see the specific duration. Or use GWfreaks.

Dogman · Dec 12, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Any skill that causes bleeding should have the duration listed in the skill description. The Barbed sword mod does increase the length as others have said.

Sereng Amaranth · Dec 12, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

Ok, so assuming that Barbed makes you bleed for 33% more, what if you have a weapon that has 'Quick recovery from bleeding'?

100% + 33% = 133%
100 secs + 33 secs = 133 secs (just for calculations)

100% - 33% = 67%
133 secs - 44 secs = 89 secs

Is this correct? Or does it not stack and just take off the Barbed effects?

Shimus DarkRaven · Dec 12, 2005, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth

Ok, so assuming that Barbed makes you bleed for 33% more, what if you have a weapon that has 'Quick recovery from bleeding'?

100% + 33% = 133%
100 secs + 33 secs = 133 secs (just for calculations)

100% - 33% = 67%
133 secs - 44 secs = 89 secs

Is this correct? Or does it not stack and just take off the Barbed effects?

Your math is..way off.

100% of bleeding would be however much the person has the attribute level of the skill that's inflicting it is. To be less confusing:

100% of Regular Sever Artery. Bleeds say for theortical sake, say 13 seconds.

100% of 13 seconds, is 13 seconds.
Lengthening the bleeding with a barbed hilt <roughly 20% increase> of the original 13 seconds: 15.6 seconds. The hilt adds roughly 2.6 seconds at 20% of 13 seconds. Not much mind you, but that 2.6 seconds could be all the difference is the mob has that much more hp or not.

--The Shim

eom · Dec 13, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21

I think guildwiki has barbed hilt down for +33% duration ---- have no idea on the quick recovery value, or your question about the stacking.

I think it's all pretty irrelevant, anyway --- how many actual points of damage are we really talking about?

let's say you pump up that attribute and get 18 seconds normal duration.
now, you're probably fairly far into the game to get that many points on that particular attribute --- you aren't still pre-sear, anyway.
getting an extra 33% means an extra 6 seconds of 3 pip (6 hps/sec) degen = 36 hps spread out over the 6 seconds on a fairly tough monster --- and this is assuming the monster has stayed alive for 24 seconds, because if he dies after 12 you get nothing extra.

I just don't see that damage over that period of time on that level of foe to be all that significant.
but, it works great in pre-sear.

having said that --- yes, it's easy to spam multiple opponents, yes, it ignores armor, and yes, I actually use bleeding and a barbed sword.
but, I might be dropping the skill next time I play, and I mostly just use that sword because I don't have much else better.

ps

it's not that I'm so much down on bleeding as an effective skill, it's mostly the supposed 'extra' you get off the barbed part that might not be so great.

Hells Vengeance · Dec 13, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53

Just look hold your mouse over the skill that lets you bleed someone and depending on your attributes it will tell you how long it will last, or if you are the one that has a condition on hold your mouse over it and it will tell you how long the condition will last.

Sereng Amaranth · Dec 13, 2005, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimus DarkRaven

Your math is..way off.

maybe you didn't notice where i said 'just for calculations'

And your post is way off. My 'numbers' are way off, by design. My math is dead on. But you still haven't answered my question.

Maxiemonster · Dec 13, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Intresting point Sereng, this should be tested.

pearhk · Dec 13, 2005, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sereng Amaranth

Ok, so assuming that Barbed makes you bleed for 33% more, what if you have a weapon that has 'Quick recovery from bleeding'?

100% + 33% = 133%
100 secs + 33 secs = 133 secs (just for calculations)

100% - 33% = 67%
133 secs - 44 secs = 89 secs

Is this correct? Or does it not stack and just take off the Barbed effects?

i believe it dosent goes like that

from previous experience (armour penetration, fast cast, recharge)
the eqt. should be
Duration * (100% + Barbed - QRF Bleeding)

DeanBB · Dec 13, 2005, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Quote:

Ok, so assuming that Barbed makes you bleed for 33% more, what if you have a weapon that has 'Quick recovery from bleeding'?

100% + 33% = 133%
100 secs + 33 secs = 133 secs (just for calculations)

100% - 33% = 67%
133 secs - 44 secs = 89 secs

Is this correct? Or does it not stack and just take off the Barbed effects?

Think about it, I am inflicting Bleed on you (or any condition):

I hit so you start bleeding for the duration according to the skill + bonus from a barbed sword. [133 seconds using your example]

You receive that condition for that duration, unless you have a mod that reduces the duration of the condition. So you must be reducing the duration received. [133 seconds reduced by the "quick" mod. Assuming it is also 33% then it is 89 seconds (133*.67)]

Realistic numbers are 21 seconds base + 6.9 seconds for barbed = 27 seconds.

This may be more important for skill combos than for damage inflicted. Think about Virulence, Gash and other skills that work in conjunction with a condition. Or spreading conditions around to keep a monk busy and expending energy.

Dec 12, 2005, 06:42 PM // 18:42	#1
jgortner Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Saints of Sin Profession: W/Mo	BLEEDING question: How long does this condition last? Hi, Very simple question: If you use say, sever artery, on someone, how long does this condition last? That is, how long will they stay bleeding for assuming that nothing clears the condition? I'm asking becuase I'm interested in getting a barbed sword haft and was wondering how much it would lengthen it by. Thank you very much! Isaac Ixbane Icarus Ixbane

Dec 12, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46	#2
BeatWolf Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005	If this attack hits, the opponent begins bleeding for 5-21 seconds, losing health over time. The more you put into Swordsmanship the longer the bleeding.. and i think barbed sword hilt makes the bleeding last 20% longer.. not sure though. Last edited by BeatWolf; Dec 12, 2005 at 06:50 PM // 18:50..

Dec 13, 2005, 03:21 AM // 03:21	#8
eom Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: W/N	I think guildwiki has barbed hilt down for +33% duration ---- have no idea on the quick recovery value, or your question about the stacking. I think it's all pretty irrelevant, anyway --- how many actual points of damage are we really talking about? let's say you pump up that attribute and get 18 seconds normal duration. now, you're probably fairly far into the game to get that many points on that particular attribute --- you aren't still pre-sear, anyway. getting an extra 33% means an extra 6 seconds of 3 pip (6 hps/sec) degen = 36 hps spread out over the 6 seconds on a fairly tough monster --- and this is assuming the monster has stayed alive for 24 seconds, because if he dies after 12 you get nothing extra. I just don't see that damage over that period of time on that level of foe to be all that significant. but, it works great in pre-sear. having said that --- yes, it's easy to spam multiple opponents, yes, it ignores armor, and yes, I actually use bleeding and a barbed sword. but, I might be dropping the skill next time I play, and I mostly just use that sword because I don't have much else better. ps it's not that I'm so much down on bleeding as an effective skill, it's mostly the supposed 'extra' you get off the barbed part that might not be so great. Last edited by eom; Dec 13, 2005 at 03:24 AM // 03:24..

Dec 12, 2005, 07:35 PM // 19:35	#3
Ruin Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005	33% length increase. Same for Poisoner's, etc.

Dec 12, 2005, 07:46 PM // 19:46	#4
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	Equip the skill and adjust the Sword attribute to see the specific duration. Or use GWfreaks.

Dec 12, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48	#5
Dogman Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Bringers of Misery [BoM] Profession: R/N	Any skill that causes bleeding should have the duration listed in the skill description. The Barbed sword mod does increase the length as others have said.

Dec 12, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06	#6
Sereng Amaranth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Amazon Basin [AB]	Ok, so assuming that Barbed makes you bleed for 33% more, what if you have a weapon that has 'Quick recovery from bleeding'? 100% + 33% = 133% 100 secs + 33 secs = 133 secs (just for calculations) 100% - 33% = 67% 133 secs - 44 secs = 89 secs Is this correct? Or does it not stack and just take off the Barbed effects?

Dec 13, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53	#9
Hells Vengeance Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Eight Deadly Sins Profession: W/Mo	Just look hold your mouse over the skill that lets you bleed someone and depending on your attributes it will tell you how long it will last, or if you are the one that has a condition on hold your mouse over it and it will tell you how long the condition will last.

Dec 13, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42	#11
Maxiemonster There is no spoon. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands Profession: Mo/	Intresting point Sereng, this should be tested.