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vncanadian · Jan 16, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

hey guys
i just wanted to know what monsters are classified as undead and what not

is it listed somewhere? because i haven't seen the post.. is it in their name?

ie. UNDEAD ranger ... mountain TROLL.....sand GIANT

what are the aaxte classified as?

: ] many thanks

Manic Smile · Jan 16, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

wow...I thought this would be weasy but i'm pretty stumped...look them up uner guldwiki.org if not there is a monster compendum somewhere

Nightmare/Shadows

http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/Creatures

dargon · Jan 16, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56

Yeah, the prima guide lists Vengeful Ataxes as nightmares. How accurate that is is to be determined, especially since there isn't a +dmg vs nightmares mod

Y O S H I · Jan 17, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

aatxes are actually really powerful minotaur, they attack the same and everything

Lord Iowerth · Jan 17, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

Heh, that prima guide may be more accurate than you think ... here's why I say that:

Take Edge of Extinction to the UW (normally have it if you're trapping) and watch what happens to the Aatxe when you kill a dying nightmare ... you'll see the little swirly "damage flash" around the Aatxe, meaning they are the same species ... I noticed this the other day while trapping.

And EoE is your friend for testing out species of things, just be looking at ("targeting") something else while you finish off your original target with some melee hits/arrows, and watch for the splash.

vncanadian · Jan 17, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

:O

nightmares :[

skeletons = undead right? deathbane...

ShadowStorm · Jan 17, 2006, 10:09 AM // 10:09

Yes, I've tested with a Deathbane mod on 1 sword and a fortitude mod on my other sword. The Deathbane sword did more damage to the aatxe on average than the other one. Believe it or not, Aatxe are a form of undead, even though they fight as if they were Minotaurs.

Tetris L · Jan 17, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29

Some creatures are incredibly difficult to classify, especially if there is no weapon upgrade "of ______slaying" available for the species.

We've been discussing this on GuildWiki over a long time, and still havn't determined the species tree in some cases.

Undead is rather easy to determine, because of the double damage from Holy Damage and because there is a weapon "of Deathbane" (i.e. of Undead-slaying). But there are sub-species of undead: Skeletons, for example. Some undead are fleshy, others are not. Some leave a corpse, others don't.

Former Ruling · Jan 17, 2006, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Axes are undead (Nightmares to be exact) - but they do seem to be the nightmares of dead Minotaurs.

You Have the overclass: UNDEAD
Then you have:
Zombies
Skeletons
Nightmares
Ghosts
Animated things
and Ghouls

As far as I can tell the ones that leave corpses are Ghouls and Zombies, and theres little exception to that.

Zodiak · Jan 17, 2006, 02:05 PM // 14:05

I told you my thread should have been stickied. It has awesome information that has been tested, pertaining to Undead

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=105080

I was wondering about Undead VS Skeletons

Please read and sticky it

Former Ruling · Jan 17, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Your thread proves my statement too.

Ghouls and Zombies have bodies - nothing else. (In that thread the guy grouped all body having undead together, but I seperated races).

Which makes sense. Nightmare types and ghosts dont have bodies at all, animated things are "stealing" body parts - so the parts are destroyed upon the magic ending (Except the flesh golem elite for chapter 2 - which is stronger magic so the minion keeps a body after death), and skeletons only have bones - no flesh.

vncanadian · Jan 17, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Cheers Deathbane Owns?

Zodiak · Jan 17, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59

From what I've experienced with my +20% deathbane sword, I conclude

Yes, deathbane does own

striderkaaru · Jan 18, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Which makes sense. Nightmare types and ghosts dont have bodies at all, animated things are "stealing" body parts - so the parts are destroyed upon the magic ending (Except the flesh golem elite for chapter 2 - which is stronger magic so the minion keeps a body after death), and skeletons only have bones - no flesh.

then why do aatxe leave bodies...?

Jan 16, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11	#1
vncanadian Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: SSSJ Profession: W/Mo	are these the undead or.......are they trolls hey guys i just wanted to know what monsters are classified as undead and what not is it listed somewhere? because i haven't seen the post.. is it in their name? ie. UNDEAD ranger ... mountain TROLL.....sand GIANT what are the aaxte classified as? : ] many thanks

Jan 16, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34	#2
Manic Smile Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hawaii Guild: ----- 15^50[Rare] ---- Alliance: ----- [SMS] -----	wow...I thought this would be weasy but i'm pretty stumped...look them up uner guldwiki.org if not there is a monster compendum somewhere Nightmare/Shadows http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/Creatures Last edited by Manic Smile; Jan 16, 2006 at 11:40 PM // 23:40..

Jan 16, 2006, 11:56 PM // 23:56	#3
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	Yeah, the prima guide lists Vengeful Ataxes as nightmares. How accurate that is is to be determined, especially since there isn't a +dmg vs nightmares mod

Jan 17, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11	#4
Y O S H I Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: We Gat Dis [HRUU] Profession: Me/	aatxes are actually really powerful minotaur, they attack the same and everything

Jan 17, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43	#5
Lord Iowerth Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA (#guildwarsguru FTW!) Guild: Biscuit Of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/Mo	Heh, that prima guide may be more accurate than you think ... here's why I say that: Take Edge of Extinction to the UW (normally have it if you're trapping) and watch what happens to the Aatxe when you kill a dying nightmare ... you'll see the little swirly "damage flash" around the Aatxe, meaning they are the same species ... I noticed this the other day while trapping. And EoE is your friend for testing out species of things, just be looking at ("targeting") something else while you finish off your original target with some melee hits/arrows, and watch for the splash.

Jan 17, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17	#6
vncanadian Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: SSSJ Profession: W/Mo	:O nightmares :[ skeletons = undead right? deathbane...

Jan 17, 2006, 10:09 AM // 10:09	#7
ShadowStorm Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Take me where I cannot stand. Guild: The Better Part of Valor Profession: W/N	Yes, I've tested with a Deathbane mod on 1 sword and a fortitude mod on my other sword. The Deathbane sword did more damage to the aatxe on average than the other one. Believe it or not, Aatxe are a form of undead, even though they fight as if they were Minotaurs.

Jan 17, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29	#8
Tetris L Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Guild: Servants of Fortuna	Some creatures are incredibly difficult to classify, especially if there is no weapon upgrade "of ______slaying" available for the species. We've been discussing this on GuildWiki over a long time, and still havn't determined the species tree in some cases. Undead is rather easy to determine, because of the double damage from Holy Damage and because there is a weapon "of Deathbane" (i.e. of Undead-slaying). But there are sub-species of undead: Skeletons, for example. Some undead are fleshy, others are not. Some leave a corpse, others don't.

Jan 17, 2006, 12:02 PM // 12:02	#9
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Axes are undead (Nightmares to be exact) - but they do seem to be the nightmares of dead Minotaurs. You Have the overclass: UNDEAD Then you have: Zombies Skeletons Nightmares Ghosts Animated things and Ghouls As far as I can tell the ones that leave corpses are Ghouls and Zombies, and theres little exception to that.

Jan 17, 2006, 02:05 PM // 14:05	#10
Zodiak Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gatineau, Qc, Canada Guild: Kiss of Anguish [KISS] Profession: P/W	I told you my thread should have been stickied. It has awesome information that has been tested, pertaining to Undead http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=105080 I was wondering about Undead VS Skeletons Please read and sticky it

Jan 17, 2006, 02:30 PM // 14:30	#11
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Your thread proves my statement too. Ghouls and Zombies have bodies - nothing else. (In that thread the guy grouped all body having undead together, but I seperated races). Which makes sense. Nightmare types and ghosts dont have bodies at all, animated things are "stealing" body parts - so the parts are destroyed upon the magic ending (Except the flesh golem elite for chapter 2 - which is stronger magic so the minion keeps a body after death), and skeletons only have bones - no flesh.

Jan 17, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38	#12
vncanadian Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: SSSJ Profession: W/Mo	Cheers Deathbane Owns?

Jan 17, 2006, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#13
Zodiak Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Gatineau, Qc, Canada Guild: Kiss of Anguish [KISS] Profession: P/W	From what I've experienced with my +20% deathbane sword, I conclude Yes, deathbane does own