Who thinks it stupid that you share gold with the henchmen? - Guild Wars Forums

EiS · Jan 18, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15

ok i got a question as the title says who thinks its stupid i do cuz why the hell does the computer need gold and if for some reason they do need the gold what the hell is the computer going to do with it anybody else think's this is stupid and should be changed?

Andy_M · Jan 18, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

Thats the price for using henchies I'm afraid. Exactly the same if you were in a team of 'real' players anyway.

cagan · Jan 18, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

Clearly the henchman run around when we aren't looking and *give* the gold to the creatures so we can kill them and loot them later.

i mean, how else did that spider get 80 gold *shakes head*.

...

But seriously, why should it be changed?, if they were people, they would get a share. Since this is a game that trys to encourage group play, having the henchies not share gold would be counter-productive. ... It would promote soloing.

EiS · Jan 18, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43

but its useless them getting the gold it dosen't go anywhere ya i can see them getting the invisable drops and stuff but why the gold its just stupid that a computer char gets something it dosen't use its like a mechanic buying a nail gun to fix his car when he should of bought a wrench

kvndoom · Jan 18, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49

You're right. They should divide the amount of gold by the party size, then let you have ALL of it. Then it would be better.

Kaguya · Jan 18, 2006, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Think the henchies getting gold is OK as well. If you want to keep all the gold for yourself, then go solo.

Most of the money people usually get from missions/quests comes from selling weapons and other drops anyways, I think.

strcpy · Jan 18, 2006, 10:24 AM // 10:24

You do realize that they also get thier share of drops also? Once you come to that conclusion I think your head may explode

Really, even though I play henchies almost exclusivly I see no reason for the gold/loot system to be any different than if I had a party of players the same size. The only thing I wish is that the drops would stay and after the battle the henchies would go pick them up - I would love to hear the screams as many a black dye, gold armors, and greens are picked up

The only real issue I have with the item wise is that they do not seem to spend that gold on decent armor or weapons and instead hoard it using only the minimum for the area. At least have them use what is available halfway through the missions - about when total newbies who never upgrade finally get around to doing so (even though an average player will be able to well before that and usually does). Heck, by the Southern Shiverpeaks Stephan ought to have enough for a sup absorption *AND* vigor! I've wasted my money on five or six cars by now - where does his money go? Especially since every uses him from time to time - he's surely found at least a few hundred sup absorptions, at least use one for himself instead of selling them!

All joking aside, I do wish they would purchase better armor than they do, either that or I would like to know I'm mistaken and they have average armor for thier level (each class seems to take MUCH more damage per hit than I do until very late in the game). I also wish we could edit thier AI to our liking and play style. But then there are all sort of saying about "If wishes were ...". If both of those were done I don't think I would have any real issue with them - after all any AI problems were my fault and who can complain if they have decent equipment? But then - who am I to complain? I find them better than most PUGS anyway (not that I'm anything great either - they just do what I tell them and don't complain when I aggro too many mobs or get them killed

).

Ellington · Jan 18, 2006, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Don't think of the henchies as machines; think of them as easily-confused player characters with no understanding of the English language.

It is an RPG, after all. :P

Caelus The Fallen · Jan 18, 2006, 11:00 AM // 11:00

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Originally Posted by EiS

... why the hell does the computer need gold and if for some reason they do need the gold what the hell is the computer going to do with it ...

By extenaion, one might aswell say "why do merchants charge me gold for items? What does a computer contolled salasperson need gpld for?". Simple answer: its computer generated cash for computer generated people :P.

Hanok Odbrook · Jan 18, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

I don't have a problem with henchies sharing in the loot - the basis of the game is co-operative play, plus there are many opportunities to go solo farming. However, when in co-op play, you at least have the chance to trade with the other members in you group for items you or they may need that were dropped. You don't have that chance when using henchies.

I'm not sure what can be done about that other than writing code that would allow you to somehow trade with the henchies, but I feel like I'm being punished for those times I want to play the game without having to deal with other players.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
http://www.realmillenniumgroup.com/guild.html
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Mournblade · Jan 18, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Hey Orion, i'll trade you this sweet fire wand I found for that superior absorption you picked up.... what do you mean, no way? STUPID HENCHIES!!!

darkMishkin · Jan 18, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by Mournblade

Hey Orion, i'll trade you this sweet fire wand I found for that superior absorption you picked up.... what do you mean, no way? STUPID HENCHIES!!!

/rage_quit

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

You're right. They should divide the amount of gold by the party size, then let you have ALL of it. Then it would be better.

toric brightblade · Jan 18, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

lol, if you could bring henchies with you and get all the gold, it would go faster then a solo monk doing the hydras. THAT is why the henchies get equivelant gold and drops.

DeanBB · Jan 18, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

I think the henchies should drop all the gold and loot they've collected when they get killed, just like the monsters do! Woohoo, payday!

Loviatar · Jan 18, 2006, 03:39 PM // 15:39

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Originally Posted by EiS

ok i got a question as the title says who thinks its stupid i do cuz why the hell does the computer need gold and if for some reason they do need the gold what the hell is the computer going to do with it anybody else think's this is stupid and should be changed?

to put it into small words you can understand take real people instead of henchies and demand all the drops and gold they get because it is stupid that you should no have all of it.

OH YOU CANT DO IT WITHOUT HELP?

then stop complaining that the help gets their fair share.

without them you would be dead and get nothing

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I think the henchies should drop all the gold and loot they've collected when they get killed, just like the monsters do! Woohoo, payday!

and when you die they get to loot you as well to give to the next person

YES

Zakarr · Jan 18, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Henchmans should not take ANY gold or items because I can't get enough stuff and I want to be rich just like those who experiment every place and bother to think how to solo something. It is not fair because I don't have time or will to do that stuff and my head hurts but I still want to get all drops. Even my mom said it would be fair. She said I'm the most wonderful person in the world and should not treated like this. She is right and I feel more angry. Change it now!

Dauntless · Jan 18, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

They are Henchmen, not volunteers, they need payment. If you dont think henchies shouldnt get a cut then you could also argue that NPC's should give their wares away for free. Free runes and ectos for all.

Lark Ohiya · Jan 18, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

zakarr - lol I sure hope you where being sarcastic otherwise you are one sad sad humanbeing.

kc99 · Jan 18, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by strcpy

The only real issue I have with the item wise is that they do not seem to spend that gold on decent armor or weapons and instead hoard it using only the minimum for the area. At least have them use what is available halfway through the missions - about when total newbies who never upgrade finally get around to doing so (even though an average player will be able to well before that and usually does). Heck, by the Southern Shiverpeaks Stephan ought to have enough for a sup absorption *AND* vigor!

LOL That would be funny:- (picture the scene in lions arch) "ok is everyone ready?"
"no wait"
"why whats up?"
"little thom is buying a req 8 unid chaos axe and needs another 10k"
"anyone lend him it"

fiery · Jan 18, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14

uh oh... the truth is out that henchies gets a share of the gold.. should i tell him they also get DROPS to.. so that sup vigor that could have been yours went to the fighter henchie... that sup absorb...healer henchie...and that gosh darnit crystalline sword... yes yes.. the mage henchie.

Jan 18, 2006, 08:15 AM // 08:15	#1
EiS Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Save The Dragons Profession: R/Mo	Who thinks it stupid that you share gold with the henchmen? ok i got a question as the title says who thinks its stupid i do cuz why the hell does the computer need gold and if for some reason they do need the gold what the hell is the computer going to do with it anybody else think's this is stupid and should be changed?

Jan 18, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19	#2
Andy_M Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Worthing, UK Guild: (Don't fear) The Beaver	Thats the price for using henchies I'm afraid. Exactly the same if you were in a team of 'real' players anyway.

Jan 18, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19	#3
cagan Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: Me/Mo	Clearly the henchman run around when we aren't looking and give the gold to the creatures so we can kill them and loot them later. i mean, how else did that spider get 80 gold shakes head. ... But seriously, why should it be changed?, if they were people, they would get a share. Since this is a game that trys to encourage group play, having the henchies not share gold would be counter-productive. ... It would promote soloing.

Jan 18, 2006, 08:43 AM // 08:43	#4
EiS Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Save The Dragons Profession: R/Mo	but its useless them getting the gold it dosen't go anywhere ya i can see them getting the invisable drops and stuff but why the gold its just stupid that a computer char gets something it dosen't use its like a mechanic buying a nail gun to fix his car when he should of bought a wrench

Jan 18, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49	#5
kvndoom Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Communistwealth of Virginia Guild: Uninstalled Profession: W/Mo	You're right. They should divide the amount of gold by the party size, then let you have ALL of it. Then it would be better.

Jan 18, 2006, 10:04 AM // 10:04	#6
Kaguya Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Moon Profession: Mo/	Think the henchies getting gold is OK as well. If you want to keep all the gold for yourself, then go solo. Most of the money people usually get from missions/quests comes from selling weapons and other drops anyways, I think.

Jan 18, 2006, 10:24 AM // 10:24	#7
strcpy Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: One of Many [ONE]	You do realize that they also get thier share of drops also? Once you come to that conclusion I think your head may explode Really, even though I play henchies almost exclusivly I see no reason for the gold/loot system to be any different than if I had a party of players the same size. The only thing I wish is that the drops would stay and after the battle the henchies would go pick them up - I would love to hear the screams as many a black dye, gold armors, and greens are picked up The only real issue I have with the item wise is that they do not seem to spend that gold on decent armor or weapons and instead hoard it using only the minimum for the area. At least have them use what is available halfway through the missions - about when total newbies who never upgrade finally get around to doing so (even though an average player will be able to well before that and usually does). Heck, by the Southern Shiverpeaks Stephan ought to have enough for a sup absorption AND vigor! I've wasted my money on five or six cars by now - where does his money go? Especially since every uses him from time to time - he's surely found at least a few hundred sup absorptions, at least use one for himself instead of selling them! All joking aside, I do wish they would purchase better armor than they do, either that or I would like to know I'm mistaken and they have average armor for thier level (each class seems to take MUCH more damage per hit than I do until very late in the game). I also wish we could edit thier AI to our liking and play style. But then there are all sort of saying about "If wishes were ...". If both of those were done I don't think I would have any real issue with them - after all any AI problems were my fault and who can complain if they have decent equipment? But then - who am I to complain? I find them better than most PUGS anyway (not that I'm anything great either - they just do what I tell them and don't complain when I aggro too many mobs or get them killed ).

Jan 18, 2006, 10:28 AM // 10:28	#8
Ellington Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Carolina Guild: Sons of Zeus [ZEUS]	Don't think of the henchies as machines; think of them as easily-confused player characters with no understanding of the English language. It is an RPG, after all. :P

Jan 18, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23	#10
Hanok Odbrook Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tyria Guild: Real Millennium Group Profession: Mo/N	I don't have a problem with henchies sharing in the loot - the basis of the game is co-operative play, plus there are many opportunities to go solo farming. However, when in co-op play, you at least have the chance to trade with the other members in you group for items you or they may need that were dropped. You don't have that chance when using henchies. I'm not sure what can be done about that other than writing code that would allow you to somehow trade with the henchies, but I feel like I'm being punished for those times I want to play the game without having to deal with other players. Hanok Odbrook Real Millennium Group Guild http://www.realmillenniumgroup.com/guild.html Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Jan 18, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06	#11
Mournblade Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Guild: Dawn Treaders [DAWN] Profession: W/Mo	Hey Orion, i'll trade you this sweet fire wand I found for that superior absorption you picked up.... what do you mean, no way? STUPID HENCHIES!!!

Jan 18, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23	#13
toric brightblade Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Searching for EU farm guild Profession: A/	lol, if you could bring henchies with you and get all the gold, it would go faster then a solo monk doing the hydras. THAT is why the henchies get equivelant gold and drops.

Jan 18, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34	#14
DeanBB Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Arizona Guild: Wizardry Players Guild, http://4guildwars.7.forumer.com	I think the henchies should drop all the gold and loot they've collected when they get killed, just like the monsters do! Woohoo, payday!

Jan 18, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48	#16
Zakarr Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland	Henchmans should not take ANY gold or items because I can't get enough stuff and I want to be rich just like those who experiment every place and bother to think how to solo something. It is not fair because I don't have time or will to do that stuff and my head hurts but I still want to get all drops. Even my mom said it would be fair. She said I'm the most wonderful person in the world and should not treated like this. She is right and I feel more angry. Change it now!

Jan 18, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04	#17
Dauntless Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: Mo/	They are Henchmen, not volunteers, they need payment. If you dont think henchies shouldnt get a cut then you could also argue that NPC's should give their wares away for free. Free runes and ectos for all.

Jan 18, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12	#18
Lark Ohiya Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: N/W	zakarr - lol I sure hope you where being sarcastic otherwise you are one sad sad humanbeing.

Jan 18, 2006, 05:14 PM // 17:14	#20
fiery Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: maryland Guild: InYurFace Gaming [IYF] Profession: R/	uh oh... the truth is out that henchies gets a share of the gold.. should i tell him they also get DROPS to.. so that sup vigor that could have been yours went to the fighter henchie... that sup absorb...healer henchie...and that gosh darnit crystalline sword... yes yes.. the mage henchie.