Zealous - what's the point? - Guild Wars Forums

Barinthus · Dec 22, 2005, 04:14 AM // 04:14

I fail to understand why would someone want to have a Zealous weapon.

If I understood this right - basically a Zealous weapon means while I'm wielding it my energy regen rate goes down by 1 and with every hit I land I only gain 1 energy.

Correct?

So I'd imagine for most playes this is not a good deal. The only way I can see how would someone want a Zealous weapon would be a player with a warrior profession since there's ways to increase one's attacking speed such as frenzy. But warriors don't really use energy that much, right? I wouldn't know - I deleted my warrior at level 8 and made a monk instead.

Anyway I'm curious why would people want a Zealous weapon.

MMSDome · Dec 22, 2005, 04:15 AM // 04:15

well in my line of buisness, farming, you need it. I will have up to 30 forest minatours on me at once. I spend 5 energy using cyclone axe to get 30 energy in return getting 1 energy from a hit. Zealous is the bestest

Former Ruling · Dec 22, 2005, 04:17 AM // 04:17

Zealous is mostly for Rangers.

Beleive it or not, a ranger can get more energy from Zealous than that pip of energy..and the energy is given on a per hit basis, not per second, so its much more controlable.

It really is hard to understand the benefits until you put it in your bow and try it..

Lets take an example w/o Zealous:

32 Energy to start.
uses Dual Shot at full expertise decrease -4 energy.
28 energy.
Your energy regen gives you +2 energy back dudring this process.

30 energy is your final count.

With Zealous:
32 to start.
Dual shot is -4 and +2 at once, so a net of -2.
30 energy,
and you gain ~1 (1.something actually) energy back from regen.

31, almost 32, energy is your final count.

If you count that over several shots - your saving major energy.

Barinthus · Dec 22, 2005, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Ahh! I didn't think of attacks that do group attacks such as those you named - cyclone axe and dual shot.

Thanks for clarifying this up

Suppose I was using dual shot with kindle arrow (forgot whether if its that or ignite, the one that does damage to nearby foes), would I get energy from kindle's damage or only dual shot's damage?

Elena · Dec 22, 2005, 04:28 AM // 04:28

only dual shot

lyra_song · Dec 22, 2005, 04:36 AM // 04:36

barrage + zealous shortbow = Fun

Olfin Bedwere · Dec 22, 2005, 05:22 AM // 05:22

Because of Adrenaline, Warriors start with less energy, so you have to use your energy skills to get your adrenaline skills going. That`s why warriors uses Gladiator armor for the extra energy. I only use Zealous xxx of Fortitudes.

Sol_Vie · Dec 22, 2005, 05:26 AM // 05:26

Heh, Hundred Blades is another way to gain energy... It strikes each enemy twice as compared to the one time Cyclone hits. (I'm also looking for a zealous sword hilt if anyone has one. Whisper me please. Sorry for the semi-hijack)

Doctor Rhino · Dec 22, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33

I like my zealous axe for farming because of cyclone and everything, but there are alot of -1 energy regen skills I want to stack with mending, and I have to take different things instead :P

master koa · Dec 22, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40

Is zealous at all good with a sword (no hundred blades). Im a w/mo that uses healing breeze for health regen.

Farin · Dec 22, 2005, 05:45 AM // 05:45

I think it's a great mod. Unlike vampiric, you're actually gaining energy. If you look at it like this: Each pip of regeneration means 1 energy every 3 seconds. (.33 per second) Average, swords and axes swing every 1.5 seconds. Add a speed buff and you're practically gaining three times more energy.

gou · Dec 22, 2005, 05:45 AM // 05:45

zealous gives energy in the mere act of attacking, you don't have to land a hit (eg through blind)
also good for the spirit shackles mind wrack combo, as long as you don't use an energy skill you never hit 0 energy so the wrack doesn't hurt.

Supremacy Of Malice · Dec 22, 2005, 06:45 AM // 06:45

its exelent for some griffon farming builds

Former Ruling · Dec 22, 2005, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by gou

zealous gives energy in the mere act of attacking, you don't have to land a hit (eg through blind)
also good for the spirit shackles mind wrack combo, as long as you don't use an energy skill you never hit 0 energy so the wrack doesn't hurt.

I only gain 1 energy per actual HIT (like the mod says ingame) - So I wanna know where you are getting these super-zealous mods o_O

Epinephrine · Dec 22, 2005, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaZoO

I think it's a great mod. Unlike vampiric, you're actually gaining energy. If you look at it like this: Each pip of regeneration means 1 energy every 3 seconds. (.33 per second) Average, swords and axes swing every 1.5 seconds. Add a speed buff and you're practically gaining three times more energy.

Axes and swords swing at 1/1.33seconds., so you sacrifice .33 energy per second to get .75 energy per second, a gain of .42 energy per second, or 1.26 pips. If you use a speed buff to hit every .888 seconds it is even better, but you need to pay off the speed buff too.

Shimus DarkRaven · Dec 22, 2005, 08:08 AM // 08:08

All math aside, all extra hits aside..why would someone want it? More simply, while two pips IS steady, people are greedy and want more mana, faster, when it matters. It's not that hard to understand! ^_^

--The Shim

VGJustice · Dec 22, 2005, 08:13 AM // 08:13

A Zealous mod mixed with any attack increasing abbility (Tiger's Fury, Flurry, Frenzy, Lightning Reflexes, etc.) will dramaticly boost your energy recovery. You don't need a melee area attack for the energy boost, just boost your attack speed. 2 birds with 1 stone!

Dahnel · Dec 22, 2005, 08:32 AM // 08:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by VGJustice

A Zealous mod mixed with any attack increasing abbility (Tiger's Fury, Flurry, Frenzy, Lightning Reflexes, etc.) will dramaticly boost your energy recovery. You don't need a melee area attack for the energy boost, just boost your attack speed. 2 birds with 1 stone!

dont forget the overflowing adrenaline to ... 3 birds !

VGJustice · Dec 22, 2005, 08:36 AM // 08:36

how could I forget! :O

Barinthus · Dec 22, 2005, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Sweet. I definitely will have to experiment with Zealous stuff when I get the opportunity. However what about caster types? Examples has been given for warriors and rangers. What about a healing monk? An elementalist? Mesmer?

Sol_Vie - check your PM

Dec 22, 2005, 04:14 AM // 04:14	#1
Barinthus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: (TRUE) Profession: R/Me	Zealous - what's the point? I fail to understand why would someone want to have a Zealous weapon. If I understood this right - basically a Zealous weapon means while I'm wielding it my energy regen rate goes down by 1 and with every hit I land I only gain 1 energy. Correct? So I'd imagine for most playes this is not a good deal. The only way I can see how would someone want a Zealous weapon would be a player with a warrior profession since there's ways to increase one's attacking speed such as frenzy. But warriors don't really use energy that much, right? I wouldn't know - I deleted my warrior at level 8 and made a monk instead. Anyway I'm curious why would people want a Zealous weapon.

Dec 22, 2005, 04:17 AM // 04:17	#3
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Zealous is mostly for Rangers. Beleive it or not, a ranger can get more energy from Zealous than that pip of energy..and the energy is given on a per hit basis, not per second, so its much more controlable. It really is hard to understand the benefits until you put it in your bow and try it.. Lets take an example w/o Zealous: 32 Energy to start. uses Dual Shot at full expertise decrease -4 energy. 28 energy. Your energy regen gives you +2 energy back dudring this process. 30 energy is your final count. With Zealous: 32 to start. Dual shot is -4 and +2 at once, so a net of -2. 30 energy, and you gain ~1 (1.something actually) energy back from regen. 31, almost 32, energy is your final count. If you count that over several shots - your saving major energy. Last edited by Former Ruling; Dec 22, 2005 at 04:21 AM // 04:21..

Dec 22, 2005, 04:15 AM // 04:15	#2
MMSDome Raged Out Join Date: Sep 2005	well in my line of buisness, farming, you need it. I will have up to 30 forest minatours on me at once. I spend 5 energy using cyclone axe to get 30 energy in return getting 1 energy from a hit. Zealous is the bestest

Dec 22, 2005, 04:24 AM // 04:24	#4
Barinthus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: (TRUE) Profession: R/Me	Ahh! I didn't think of attacks that do group attacks such as those you named - cyclone axe and dual shot. Thanks for clarifying this up Suppose I was using dual shot with kindle arrow (forgot whether if its that or ignite, the one that does damage to nearby foes), would I get energy from kindle's damage or only dual shot's damage?

Dec 22, 2005, 04:28 AM // 04:28	#5
Elena Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Belgium	only dual shot

Dec 22, 2005, 04:36 AM // 04:36	#6
lyra_song Hell's Protector Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: R/Mo	barrage + zealous shortbow = Fun

Dec 22, 2005, 05:22 AM // 05:22	#7
Olfin Bedwere Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma Profession: W/Mo	Because of Adrenaline, Warriors start with less energy, so you have to use your energy skills to get your adrenaline skills going. That`s why warriors uses Gladiator armor for the extra energy. I only use Zealous xxx of Fortitudes.

Dec 22, 2005, 05:26 AM // 05:26	#8
Sol_Vie Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston, MA Guild: Blood Of Orr [BoO]	Heh, Hundred Blades is another way to gain energy... It strikes each enemy twice as compared to the one time Cyclone hits. (I'm also looking for a zealous sword hilt if anyone has one. Whisper me please. Sorry for the semi-hijack)

Dec 22, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33	#9
Doctor Rhino Banned Join Date: Sep 2005 Guild: MFC Profession: W/Mo	I like my zealous axe for farming because of cyclone and everything, but there are alot of -1 energy regen skills I want to stack with mending, and I have to take different things instead :P

Dec 22, 2005, 05:40 AM // 05:40	#10
master koa Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: A box. Profession: W/R	Is zealous at all good with a sword (no hundred blades). Im a w/mo that uses healing breeze for health regen.

Dec 22, 2005, 05:45 AM // 05:45	#11
Farin Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Delta Formation [DF] Profession: W/	I think it's a great mod. Unlike vampiric, you're actually gaining energy. If you look at it like this: Each pip of regeneration means 1 energy every 3 seconds. (.33 per second) Average, swords and axes swing every 1.5 seconds. Add a speed buff and you're practically gaining three times more energy.

Dec 22, 2005, 05:45 AM // 05:45	#12
gou Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: globally warmed england Guild: the discarnate	zealous gives energy in the mere act of attacking, you don't have to land a hit (eg through blind) also good for the spirit shackles mind wrack combo, as long as you don't use an energy skill you never hit 0 energy so the wrack doesn't hurt.

Dec 22, 2005, 06:45 AM // 06:45	#13
Supremacy Of Malice Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: W/Mo	its exelent for some griffon farming builds

Dec 22, 2005, 08:08 AM // 08:08	#16
Shimus DarkRaven Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Titusville, PA <nowhere> Guild: KOD <Knights of the Dragonrose><Guild Officer> Profession: W/Mo	All math aside, all extra hits aside..why would someone want it? More simply, while two pips IS steady, people are greedy and want more mana, faster, when it matters. It's not that hard to understand! ^_^ --The Shim

Dec 22, 2005, 08:13 AM // 08:13	#17
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	A Zealous mod mixed with any attack increasing abbility (Tiger's Fury, Flurry, Frenzy, Lightning Reflexes, etc.) will dramaticly boost your energy recovery. You don't need a melee area attack for the energy boost, just boost your attack speed. 2 birds with 1 stone!

Dec 22, 2005, 08:36 AM // 08:36	#19
VGJustice Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Tyria, cappin' ur bosses Guild: Boston Guild [BG] Profession: R/W	how could I forget! :O

Dec 22, 2005, 10:37 AM // 10:37	#20
Barinthus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: (TRUE) Profession: R/Me	Sweet. I definitely will have to experiment with Zealous stuff when I get the opportunity. However what about caster types? Examples has been given for warriors and rangers. What about a healing monk? An elementalist? Mesmer? Sol_Vie - check your PM