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Jetdoc · Dec 22, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

You also have to remember that the energy degeneration is one energy per 3 seconds. Even if you don't use an attack-speed enhancing attack, swords and axes attack at one hit per 1.33 seconds. So, over 12 seconds, you will lose 4 energy buy gain 9 energy from hitting enemies.

Also, think of AoE attacks (i.e. Hundred Blades and Cyclone Axe). If you're swamped with enemies, you can run those attacks almost constantly with the mod.

Jetdoc · Dec 22, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

There are no Zealous mods for caster weapons...only warrior and ranger weapons.

Barinthus · Dec 22, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Why, you are correct. Duh me!

Gun Graave · Dec 23, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by gou

zealous gives energy in the mere act of attacking, you don't have to land a hit (eg through blind)
also good for the spirit shackles mind wrack combo, as long as you don't use an energy skill you never hit 0 energy so the wrack doesn't hurt.

I didnt realize you didnt have to hit the person to get engery with zealous stuff?

onilink · Dec 23, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10

I absolutely love a zealous mod on a short bow or half moon, since, I almost never run out of energy that way.

Sk8tborderx · Dec 23, 2005, 06:38 AM // 06:38

I always use a zealous mod on my axes. When I go as a w/r I use tigers fury so I never have to worry about energy and when I solo with a w/mo I have 1 degen with mending and balthazars spirit on me. With a zealous mod I never have to worry wbout having enough energy for healing breeze or SoJ.

CKaz · Dec 23, 2005, 02:38 PM // 14:38

yep, my w/? regularly goes zealous, even when farming with a maintain w/mo (or in some rare cases 2!) it's symbiotic with flurry/frenzy/fury each powering the other

If this sounds good get the collectors stance axe, that with zealous and another mod your choice, fun stuff - one of my best axes, similiarly consider for swords

Now Hammer runs into more question marks, and you'd virtually HAVE to go speedup to make it useful, with the slower swing. There are better mods/routes to go as a Hammer warrior.

Yichi · Dec 23, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Zealous is by far my hands down favorite mod. hundred blades + zealous weapon + group of monsters = full energy bar. same with cyclone axe

kvndoom · Dec 24, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31

Unless you are blinded or hexed to miss most of the time, Zealous melee weapons (swords and axes anyway, a Zealous hammer would be just silly) regen energy WAY faster than 2 pips of energy. The only thing to give a warrior energy faster is Balthazaar's Spirit, but that's a used skill slot and requires a specific secondary. It's best to keep a zealous and regular version of your primary weapon, and switch according to need.

Mistermagoo · Dec 24, 2005, 08:03 AM // 08:03

Wow, just think, Zealous haft + Cyclone, or Zealous sword hilt + 100blades..... basically a lotta energy 0.0

eom · Dec 24, 2005, 08:12 AM // 08:12

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Originally Posted by kvndoom

Unless you are blinded or hexed to miss most of the time, Zealous melee weapons (swords and axes anyway, a Zealous hammer would be just silly) regen energy WAY faster than 2 pips of energy. .

w/o using skills, my understanding is that you'd get 3en/4s - 1 pip (1en/3s) = 5 en/12s, plus the natural 2 pips.
2 pips = 2 en/3s = 8 en/12s

so, every 3 seconds you'd be getting about 3 energy instead of 2, for a 50% improvement.
you'd be gaining a pip of regen.
this would be before skills that increase the efficiency.

edit: this is assuming you're attacking all the time, which probably never happens, so I guess you'd really need to use a skill to make this mod pay off.

The Muffen Man · Dec 24, 2005, 10:53 AM // 10:53

Just thought I would post this for all you nay sayers for using zealous upgrades on hammer. THEY WORK GREAT ON HAMMERS.
I use it all the time, I SWAP OUT TO A FURIOUS when giving chase or when blinded or hexed to miss.
Just thought I'd let you all know from a guy that actualy uses a zealous hammer and not theorycarfters
Oops forgot to mention I be TF hammer, dont know if its any good for those not using an IAS

Barinthus · Jan 09, 2006, 05:57 AM // 05:57

I read somewhere else that Zealous String is better used on a Horn Bow (or her cousins Ivory/Shadow) due to the bow refiring rate and barrage recharging rate being the same.

I wonder what you guys think of this?

Rajamic · Jan 09, 2006, 09:54 AM // 09:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barinthus

I read somewhere else that Zealous String is better used on a Horn Bow (or her cousins Ivory/Shadow) due to the bow refiring rate and barrage recharging rate being the same.

I wonder what you guys think of this?

You kind of get into a grey area here that is completely aside from Zealous and having to do completely with bows.

There is nothing to prevent someone from firing with a shortbow and making every shot a barrage. It's just that each time, your Ranger with prepare a normal shot first, then recoil and knock the Barrage shot. Many people look at this as wasted time. This is not entirely wrong in this comparison, but not entirely right either. It essentially negates the refire rate advantage that Shortbows have over hornbows.

But that does not do anything to fix the differences in flight times. One could also correct this by bringing Favorable Winds (Read the Wind isn't an option with Barrage), making the Hornbow the clear winner, but that is spending an extra skill slot to do so. Depending on your opinions on flight times, this might not be an issue, or on the flip side you might feel it's not worth spending the skill slot on Favorable Winds and just go with the Shortbow and ignore the 10% AP.

As is a lot of things in this game, there's a trade-off here that largely comes down to personal preference.

Red Sonya · Jan 09, 2006, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Originally Posted by Sol_Vie

Heh, Hundred Blades is another way to gain energy... It strikes each enemy twice as compared to the one time Cyclone hits. (I'm also looking for a zealous sword hilt if anyone has one. Whisper me please. Sorry for the semi-hijack)

Ummm if you take a look at the recharge time bub you will notice HB's is an 8 second recharge and cyclone axe is only 4. I'd rather be swinging every 4 seconds than every 8 seconds. Plus Cyclone Axe deals another +10 damage (giving you have good axe attributes) and HB's gives nothing extra. So if I am fighting 10 mobs I'm not only getting the same as HB's every 8 seconds but I am also doing 200 more damage.

Barinthus · Jan 09, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I wonder if I'm using a Hornbow type and dual shot or barrage, will every arrow have 10% armor pentration damage?

kvndoom · Jan 19, 2006, 05:51 AM // 05:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Muffen Man

Just thought I would post this for all you nay sayers for using zealous upgrades on hammer. THEY WORK GREAT ON HAMMERS.
I use it all the time, I SWAP OUT TO A FURIOUS when giving chase or when blinded or hexed to miss.
Just thought I'd let you all know from a guy that actualy uses a zealous hammer and not theorycarfters
Oops forgot to mention I be TF hammer, dont know if its any good for those not using an IAS

Naysayers? Theory crafters? Um, okay, you basically just said zealous works great on hammers if you're attacking 33% faster. Well, no shit. Hell, I suppose zealous would work even GREATER on swords and axes if you're attacking 33% faster with them too, eh? Moving on...

Rajamic · Jan 19, 2006, 06:03 AM // 06:03

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Originally Posted by Barinthus

I wonder if I'm using a Hornbow type and dual shot or barrage, will every arrow have 10% armor pentration damage?

Yep. But don't use Penetrating Attack with a Hornbow. The APs don't stack for those.

Battle Torn · Jan 19, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

For a sword Warrior zealous upograde is the best one if you ask me.

A combination of 1 enchantment of choice and a zealous weapon =0 regen but you gain energy much faster than 2 pips without any enchantment. Best upgrade if you ask me. I switch between zealous and furious weapons for maximum effect and also recharde between fights. Also using a zealous weapon with Berserker stance for example gives you not only increased energy as your attack rate is increased, but also increaed adrenalin

this isnt for everyone though because most people cant seem to manage the cooldown with stances and skills and preffer frenzy etc.

The Muffen Man · Jan 19, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvndoom

Naysayers? Theory crafters? Um, okay, you basically just said zealous works great on hammers if you're attacking 33% faster. Well, no shit. Hell, I suppose zealous would work even GREATER on swords and axes if you're attacking 33% faster with them too, eh? Moving on...

You sir are an idiot ! Moving on.

Dec 24, 2005, 10:53 AM // 10:53	#32
The Muffen Man Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Druery Lane Profession: W/	Just thought I would post this for all you nay sayers for using zealous upgrades on hammer. THEY WORK GREAT ON HAMMERS. I use it all the time, I SWAP OUT TO A FURIOUS when giving chase or when blinded or hexed to miss. Just thought I'd let you all know from a guy that actualy uses a zealous hammer and not theorycarfters Oops forgot to mention I be TF hammer, dont know if its any good for those not using an IAS Last edited by The Muffen Man; Dec 24, 2005 at 10:58 AM // 10:58..

Dec 22, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17	#21
Jetdoc Hell's Protector Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: The Eyes of Texas [BEVO] Profession: D/A	You also have to remember that the energy degeneration is one energy per 3 seconds. Even if you don't use an attack-speed enhancing attack, swords and axes attack at one hit per 1.33 seconds. So, over 12 seconds, you will lose 4 energy buy gain 9 energy from hitting enemies. Also, think of AoE attacks (i.e. Hundred Blades and Cyclone Axe). If you're swamped with enemies, you can run those attacks almost constantly with the mod.

Dec 22, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18	#22
Jetdoc Hell's Protector Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: The Eyes of Texas [BEVO] Profession: D/A	There are no Zealous mods for caster weapons...only warrior and ranger weapons.

Dec 22, 2005, 05:19 PM // 17:19	#23
Barinthus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: (TRUE) Profession: R/Me	Why, you are correct. Duh me!

Dec 23, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10	#25
onilink Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Consortium of Evil Monkeys Profession: E/	I absolutely love a zealous mod on a short bow or half moon, since, I almost never run out of energy that way.

Dec 23, 2005, 06:38 AM // 06:38	#26
Sk8tborderx Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: PA Guild: Us Are Not [leet] Profession: W/	I always use a zealous mod on my axes. When I go as a w/r I use tigers fury so I never have to worry about energy and when I solo with a w/mo I have 1 degen with mending and balthazars spirit on me. With a zealous mod I never have to worry wbout having enough energy for healing breeze or SoJ.

Dec 23, 2005, 02:38 PM // 14:38	#27
CKaz Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2005	yep, my w/? regularly goes zealous, even when farming with a maintain w/mo (or in some rare cases 2!) it's symbiotic with flurry/frenzy/fury each powering the other If this sounds good get the collectors stance axe, that with zealous and another mod your choice, fun stuff - one of my best axes, similiarly consider for swords Now Hammer runs into more question marks, and you'd virtually HAVE to go speedup to make it useful, with the slower swing. There are better mods/routes to go as a Hammer warrior.

Dec 23, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10	#28
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	Zealous is by far my hands down favorite mod. hundred blades + zealous weapon + group of monsters = full energy bar. same with cyclone axe

Dec 24, 2005, 07:31 AM // 07:31	#29
kvndoom Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Communistwealth of Virginia Guild: Uninstalled Profession: W/Mo	Unless you are blinded or hexed to miss most of the time, Zealous melee weapons (swords and axes anyway, a Zealous hammer would be just silly) regen energy WAY faster than 2 pips of energy. The only thing to give a warrior energy faster is Balthazaar's Spirit, but that's a used skill slot and requires a specific secondary. It's best to keep a zealous and regular version of your primary weapon, and switch according to need.

Dec 24, 2005, 08:03 AM // 08:03	#30
Mistermagoo Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In my computer room. Guild: The Noob Elite [TnE] Profession: N/Me	Wow, just think, Zealous haft + Cyclone, or Zealous sword hilt + 100blades..... basically a lotta energy 0.0

Jan 09, 2006, 05:57 AM // 05:57	#33
Barinthus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: (TRUE) Profession: R/Me	I read somewhere else that Zealous String is better used on a Horn Bow (or her cousins Ivory/Shadow) due to the bow refiring rate and barrage recharging rate being the same. I wonder what you guys think of this?

Jan 09, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41	#36
Barinthus Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Guild: (TRUE) Profession: R/Me	I wonder if I'm using a Hornbow type and dual shot or barrage, will every arrow have 10% armor pentration damage?

Jan 19, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44	#39
Battle Torn Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Scotland Profession: W/Mo	For a sword Warrior zealous upograde is the best one if you ask me. A combination of 1 enchantment of choice and a zealous weapon =0 regen but you gain energy much faster than 2 pips without any enchantment. Best upgrade if you ask me. I switch between zealous and furious weapons for maximum effect and also recharde between fights. Also using a zealous weapon with Berserker stance for example gives you not only increased energy as your attack rate is increased, but also increaed adrenalin this isnt for everyone though because most people cant seem to manage the cooldown with stances and skills and preffer frenzy etc.