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BloodWraithe · Jan 19, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

Is there a bow that has armor penetration?
And where it says armor penetration 10% chance does that mean it has a 10% chance of penetrating?

Rafe · Jan 19, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

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Originally Posted by BloodWraithe

Is there a bow that has armor penetration?
And where it says armor penetration 10% chance does that mean it has a 10% chance of penetrating?

There are bow upgrades that you can buy with armor penetration.
Usually they will be something along the lines of:
[Armor Penetration 10% (Chance X %)]
Which means:
It will penetrate 10% of the armor, which adds on some amount of damage dependant on the armor, but this penetration only happens X out of 100 times.

KazeMitsui · Jan 19, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

no it means that it will penetrate 10% of the armor thus dealing more dmg... also i think only the horn bow i dunno maybe more have the auto armor penetrating otherwise the the sundering mod

Arcien Trueflight · Jan 19, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16

This is definitely a search-barable question. But, to avoid this popping up again, yes. The Horn, Ivory, and Shadow bows all have built in 10% Armor Penetration, and yes, a sundering string that is 10% Armor Penetration(10%, 9%, whatever your fancy) means that X% of your shots will have 10% armor penetration.

eom · Jan 19, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

haven't verified this, but my understanding is that horn bows have a built in 10 pts of ap.

what that means is that they basically subtract 10 pts off the target's armor (I believe.....)
I suppose it's possible that it's actually a subtraction of 10% of the armor value, though.
go read the extensive armor article on this site, and I think it'll tell you for sure.

Rafe · Jan 19, 2006, 03:23 AM // 03:23

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Originally Posted by eom

haven't verified this, but my understanding is that horn bows have a built in 10 pts of ap.

what that means is that they basically subtract 10 pts off the target's armor (I believe.....)
I suppose it's possible that it's actually a subtraction of 10% of the armor value, though.
go read the extensive armor article on this site, and I think it'll tell you for sure.

It has in fact been verified on Wiki.

BloodWraithe · Jan 19, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

Awsome, thanks guys

Rajamic · Jan 19, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

Hornbows have 10% AP always on. This is Base AP. This means it does not stack with other Base AP sources.

Sundering has a 10% chance of +10% AP. The plus there means it's Bonus AP, so it stacks with any other AP at all.

So you have 20% AP 10% of the time, and 10% AP the other 90%.

And yes, it removes that percentage of the target's armor. So striking a 60 AL target with 10% AP only removes 6 AL, so that attack would function as if they were wearing 54 AL.

Regardless, Sundering strings are crap. Vampiric gives WAY more damage.

Yakumo · Jan 19, 2006, 10:02 AM // 10:02

Yes, I have read that all Horn Bows have an inbuilt 10% armor penetration. Other than that class of bows, bows with armor penetration will have 'Sundering' in their names e.g. 'Sundering Long Bow of Marksmanship'.

Yes, e.g Armor penetration +10% (Chance: 10%) = there is a 10% chance that your hit will have 10% armor penetration.

fallot · Jan 19, 2006, 12:36 PM // 12:36

I have never seen the inherent 10% AP of Horn Bows verified. Even if it exists, the poor refire rate makes them undesirable weapons. You can always tell when Sundering procs, the damage is considerably higher. However, since it occurs only 10% of the time, the DPS added due to the upgrade is insignificant.

eom · Jan 20, 2006, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Rajamic

Vampiric gives WAY more damage.

uh...??

darkMishkin · Jan 20, 2006, 03:20 AM // 03:20

The built in armour penetration on Horn Bows is now confirmed; in game.

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Originally Posted by eom

uh...??

Using GWGuru's damage calculator:

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A 19 - 35 bow Vs an 80AL opponent:

13.44 - 24.75 damage.

with 10% sundering:

15.43 - 28.43 damage.

An increase of about 2-4 every tenth hit.

A vampiric bow on the other hand, adds 5 damage every hit, Vs any AL.

It is also worth remembering that Vs most warriors, wearing defaulto facto Gladiator's armour, any Elemental string will add 20% armour penetration, 100% of the time.

mish

PS Long live the ranger, down with the assasin.

eom · Jan 20, 2006, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by darkMishkin

A vampiric bow on the other hand, adds 5 damage every hit, Vs any AL.

it does?

Rafe · Jan 20, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

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Originally Posted by eom

it does?

Life stealing= it takes the life from them, its not like live vicariously which uses energy to heal.

eom · Jan 20, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

I had read somewhere that it just converts 3 pts of damage into healing on you.
although, how that would work if you only do 2 pts, I have no idea.

sweet --- 3 extra pts for me.
I'll have to use that sword more often.
the degen can be a super pain in the ass if you're absent minded like me, though.

Jan 19, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08	#1
BloodWraithe Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005	Bow questions Is there a bow that has armor penetration? And where it says armor penetration 10% chance does that mean it has a 10% chance of penetrating?

Jan 19, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16	#4
Arcien Trueflight Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Retrieving an arrow from my latest kill. Guild: Nova Alliance [Nova] Profession: R/E	This is definitely a search-barable question. But, to avoid this popping up again, yes. The Horn, Ivory, and Shadow bows all have built in 10% Armor Penetration, and yes, a sundering string that is 10% Armor Penetration(10%, 9%, whatever your fancy) means that X% of your shots will have 10% armor penetration. Last edited by Arcien Trueflight; Jan 19, 2006 at 03:19 AM // 03:19..

Jan 19, 2006, 10:02 AM // 10:02	#9
Yakumo Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Guild: Hearts Of Fury [HoF] Profession: R/	Yes, I have read that all Horn Bows have an inbuilt 10% armor penetration. Other than that class of bows, bows with armor penetration will have 'Sundering' in their names e.g. 'Sundering Long Bow of Marksmanship'. Yes, e.g Armor penetration +10% (Chance: 10%) = there is a 10% chance that your hit will have 10% armor penetration. Last edited by Yakumo; Jan 19, 2006 at 10:08 AM // 10:08..

Jan 19, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15	#3
KazeMitsui Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: pretty sure its all up in yo face Guild: [WHAT] Profession: R/	no it means that it will penetrate 10% of the armor thus dealing more dmg... also i think only the horn bow i dunno maybe more have the auto armor penetrating otherwise the the sundering mod

Jan 19, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19	#5
eom Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: W/N	haven't verified this, but my understanding is that horn bows have a built in 10 pts of ap. what that means is that they basically subtract 10 pts off the target's armor (I believe.....) I suppose it's possible that it's actually a subtraction of 10% of the armor value, though. go read the extensive armor article on this site, and I think it'll tell you for sure.

Jan 19, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59	#7
BloodWraithe Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Oct 2005	Awsome, thanks guys

Jan 19, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01	#8
Rajamic Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: IA Guild: Chronicles of Heroes [CoH] Profession: R/Me	Hornbows have 10% AP always on. This is Base AP. This means it does not stack with other Base AP sources. Sundering has a 10% chance of +10% AP. The plus there means it's Bonus AP, so it stacks with any other AP at all. So you have 20% AP 10% of the time, and 10% AP the other 90%. And yes, it removes that percentage of the target's armor. So striking a 60 AL target with 10% AP only removes 6 AL, so that attack would function as if they were wearing 54 AL. Regardless, Sundering strings are crap. Vampiric gives WAY more damage.

Jan 19, 2006, 12:36 PM // 12:36	#10
fallot I'm the king Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Aussie Trolling Crew: Grand Phallus and Chairman Pro Tempore	I have never seen the inherent 10% AP of Horn Bows verified. Even if it exists, the poor refire rate makes them undesirable weapons. You can always tell when Sundering procs, the damage is considerably higher. However, since it occurs only 10% of the time, the DPS added due to the upgrade is insignificant.

Jan 20, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26	#15
eom Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: W/N	I had read somewhere that it just converts 3 pts of damage into healing on you. although, how that would work if you only do 2 pts, I have no idea. sweet --- 3 extra pts for me. I'll have to use that sword more often. the degen can be a super pain in the ass if you're absent minded like me, though.