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Snowman · Dec 04, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

The answer to this question, in my humble opinion is rather simple.

If your bored of WoW after 9 months, you will most likley be bored of guildwars after 3 !

but....

If you get into serious competative PvP you might never get bored of it!...

but getting GOOD at pvp is very hard, takes alot of patience, practice and SKILL.

The bright side is, if you buy Guildwars and only play it for 3 months you really havnt lost anything, and you would have masses ammounts of fun and been gobsmacked at the graphics,

you could shelf the game play wow some more, and still come back to guildwars a year later and not have to pay for it.

One other BIG important thing to remember about GW is that you dont have 100's of servers to chose from, its a GLOBAL game.. so its rare that you will meet the same players over and over again.. and even harder to find players in your own country/state! this makes it very hard to form guilds, or even find a good guild to join.

I think that forming a Guild in Guildwars is the hardest game ever to form a GOOD guild/clan with. you need lots of leadership skillz....

so if your coming from wow, dont expect to get in a 250 strong guild... you would be lucky to get in one that has 50.

Xue Yi Liang · Dec 04, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Snowman

If your bored of WoW after 9 months, you will most likley be bored of guildwars after 3 !

Not to mention the cost:
9 months of WoW =
$15x9 (subscription) + $30(game) = $165

is it worth that much to play ANY game?

Symira · Dec 04, 2005, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Come on in...the waters wonderful

You won't regret joining GW...the graphics are awesome...the game play is customisable (think I made that word up..lol) and our necro's beat the hell out of WoW's dark elves. (I made one of them when I gave Wow a try...couldn't stand looking at myself..lol)

I have to say I have not regretted moving to GW and like you I am an older player with a family...here I get to play when and for as long or more importantly sometimes, as little as I want. (makes my hubby happy too

)

So..come join us....you are just in time for Christmas...and if it is anything like halloween was it will be a blast

rugal nuker · Dec 04, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Symira

Come on in...the waters wonderful

You won't regret joining GW...the graphics are awesome...the game play is customisable (think I made that word up..lol) and our necro's beat the hell out of WoW's dark elves. (I made one of them when I gave Wow a try...couldn't stand looking at myself..lol)

I have to say I have not regretted moving to GW and like you I am an older player with a family...here I get to play when and for as long or more importantly sometimes, as little as I want. (makes my hubby happy too

)

So..come join us....you are just in time for Christmas...and if it is anything like halloween was it will be a blast

Yeah! Yeah!

Senedai · Dec 05, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

You guys just made ME buy the game. Only one question: do you choose from different servers or is everything just one big server? Someone answered this before but I think I lost it

. Don't sue me!

CHunterX · Dec 05, 2005, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Each town has different servers, called districts. The game automatically puts you in an active district, but your allowed to change anytime (unless the district you want in is full) by selecting it from the dropdown menu on the top left. When one district starts to get full they'll add more to each town. So if you plan on joining people, you'll have to be aware that you'll be supplying a City name and a District number. Most of the time it will be displayed like, "Meet me in Ascalon D4," etc.

Zenny · Dec 05, 2005, 12:13 AM // 00:13

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Originally Posted by darrelll

I'm 48 and married with 2 kids so having time to play for hrs at a time is limited, but gw has no demo. Can someone tell me if it is woth the investment, maybe someone who has played both.
Thanks, Darrell

I'm sorry man, but there was a 10-Hour Trial for GW going on. It seems signups ended 3 days ago >.>

http://www.ati.com/gwhis/

I tried looking around for any other trials, but no luck. You 'just' missed out.

Anyways, the tastes for WoW and GW are very different.
GW isn't as large and epic feeling as WoW is. The PvP is much more balanced in GW.
There are no 'raids' in GW much like WoW, but there are alternative high-end dungeons. Don't expect too much from the dungeons though, you'll only find the same quality items anywhere else and bosses compared to WoW are almost non-existant.
Time-wise, there isn't as much of a grind in GW.
You have the ability to log in and do any quest/mission is possible with players or in situations where people are short you can use Henchmen(NPCs).
The entire GW world is instanced. WoW only uses instances for their dungeons.

That covers a little bit about GW in perspective to WoW. Here's a link to a large thread on this forum discussing GW vs WoW more: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=73258

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Originally Posted by Senedai

You guys just made ME buy the game. Only one question: do you choose from different servers or is everything just one big server? Someone answered this before but I think I lost it

. Don't sue me!

In a sense, there are only three true servers. America, Europe, and Korea. Everything in the game is instanced and towns have several districts to accomadate the large number of players (as CHunterX explained).

Zobi · Dec 05, 2005, 12:18 AM // 00:18

No Lists, no camp stealing etc etc - GW is much better, IMHO.

Senedai · Dec 05, 2005, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Thank you CHunterX and Zenny for the quick answers! I'll be buying the game in a couple of days when I get back from England (I live in Sweden). Hope to see you around

Loch · Dec 05, 2005, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Guild Wars actually has a lot of stuff to do once you hit the highest level. Let's see, after Ascension, there're still seven missions left, the Fissure of Woe and Underworld, Sorrow's Furnace, and PvP.

There's so much to do at high levels compared to other online RPG's. "Great, I'm at the highest level. Now let's do a raid every month or so. In the meantime, I can stare at that level 65 in my status window."

Zenny · Dec 05, 2005, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by Loch

Guild Wars actually has a lot of stuff to do once you hit the highest level. Let's see, after Ascension, there're still seven missions left, the Fissure of Woe and Underworld, Sorrow's Furnace, and PvP.

There's so much to do at high levels compared to other online RPG's. "Great, I'm at the highest level. Now let's do a raid every month or so. In the meantime, I can stare at that level 65 in my status window."

Ascension is just a stepping stone in the story, the next 7 missions continue it (Just like every other mission). Just because you hit the 'highest level' doesn't mean the story ends.

"Great, I'm at the highest level. Now let's do UW, FoW, and SF everyday."

In all honesty, WoW has more to offer in the high end. Guild Wars offers a low grind PvE and balanced PvP.

Sorry, I was quite argumentive there

Guild Wars is a fun game, but there are better examples.

CKaz · Dec 05, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by darrelll

Ive been thinking of getting this game for a coupla months, Ive been playing wow for about 9 months and I'm a little bored. Bout all I can do at my level is raid high end dungeons, which is very time consuming. I'm 48 and married with 2 kids so having time to play for hrs at a time is limited, but gw has no demo. Can someone tell me if it is woth the investment, maybe someone who has played both.
Thanks, Darrell

Yeah I'm a bit older than average here, married, and this works out great.
(maybe too great

)

You can do little hits or big hits, not everything is a raid.
And you can actually clear and be done, there is no re-spawn

I was stuck in a rut with EQ (enchanter, TZ for 2+ years) where that's all I could do too. Planes run with long time to group/raid up, break in, get corpses, do the job.. it gets old. Decided I wanted marriage >> EQ

I didn't get WoW (and other MMORPGs) for the reasons you mention. I'm not as level dependent with other groups. One GREAT thing about GW is even if they bring in the nerf stick (any MMO or anything like it gets it) you can completely retool, and not nearly as painfully like some of the other games (where its even possible).

Big guilds/raids not necessary. If you want to pvp heavily you want a guild but can even do some of that w/o one. Nothing even allows more than a group of 8. You may be disappointed by that but it works in GW's context. There still are challenges. I think its a much better death system than most games as well. No XP setback, just watch your Death Penalty as you're survival can be whittled down down down. If you're on a key mission and your whole party is wiped you failed it so you redo, but in general even then you all respawn at a rez site, with more of that 'DP'.

No monthly fee, which takes away the 'man I should play I'm paying for it'. I'd rather play a game on my time, which for about 6 months+ now has been a lot of GW. As you play more characters there is the inevitable 'ugh gotta do this again' but repeated times through you're quicker.

Quite frankly for the cost (now only $30 I've seen it - US) you can't beat it, I paid $50 and recently got it again for $50 for my wife (no deals then :b) I've logged an embarrasing number of hours and I'm not on the same plane of the hardcore people who have fissure or even multiple fissure armor sets (that'll mean something eventually if you get the game

)

I'd say go for it!

CKaz

Kakumei · Dec 05, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

AGH NO

I hate when people try to compare Guild Wars and World of Warcraft. Simply put, you cannot. Absolutely cannot. They're not the same genre, it's like comparing Doom to Battlefield.

It's very easy to love and play them both, as they have very different gameplay--very few things are even REMOTELY similar.

Night Raven · Feb 09, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

I've been playing GW since last June. Took a break and played the WoW 10 days trial last December.

I won't get into what has already been said, but it's true that you can't really compare the two.

All i can say is that i had a lot of fun. Wow is bigger and more immersive. Loads of quest and i found the PvE aspect was well polished. I've experienced a persistent world and it was a blast.

Unfortunately i ran into some problems.

I had trouble installing/configuring the game. Never had any problems with GW. But with WoW, i had to change the config of my Network adapter, updated my router's firmware (Unknown entity problems) and lots more tweaking. I was quite surprised about that.

I would have never guessed WoW tech support forum was so crowded with people having problems appearing after every patch (Unable to log-in, lock-up, etc...).

Also, i experienced a lot of server problems/downtime. Maybe i was unlucky.

I can't judge WoW in ten days. It's just my two cents.

On a side note, my neighbor's girlfriend left him because he was playing too much WoW. That's sad.

XavengerX · Feb 10, 2006, 02:10 AM // 02:10

Ok, I'm someone who's had 1 month of Guild Wars experience (not a lot) and about a year's worth of WoW.

To me, WoW was a fun game that was worth it's price, however, the amount of things you can do at 60 were very limited. 1 - 59 was great, and the world is huge and there's tons of things to do. However, once you reach 60, you start to see the game's flaws. Currently, there are very glaring PVP inbalances, such as the alliance's hate towards shamans, and the uselessness of mages when compared to other classes with similar levels of equipment (I'm a mage, wouldn't you know haha). Secondly, although the game is advertised that all players can have fun and enjoy end game content, this is not true. I for one, quit WoW because I don't like having to raid 20-30 hours a week just to have a chance to get some uber item or build up my points to buy the next item in my set. I also do not like 40 man raids. They're long, tiring, and when you do them several times a week, really really boring.

However, Guild Wars also has some aspects where WoW is better. For example, a WoW player will not be used to movement in GW for a long time. There is no jump button, and terrain is very restricted, its obvious there is a certain path you have to follow. You can't even jump off of small ledges. You are also limited to 8 skills. Each hero can have at most 150, but you can only use 8 at a time outside town. Although I love this system (Makes every character unique, every build having its own strengths and weaknesses, anyone who's taken math would know how many combinations this is), many find it restrictive. In WoW, you have to be a certain build to do a certain task. For example, in PvP, a rogue is either cooldown reliant on a 21/8/22, or 31/8/12 or 30/8/13. You never see a 21/30/0 rogue in PvP now do you? In GW, there are no limitations like that.

Graphics-wise, Guild Wars runs smoother, plays better, and looks better. I have better FPS on my old computer in GW than WoW with more options turned on (Don't even get me started on how my computers acts in Org...)

Although the interface is not as customizable as WoW, you can customize every part of it, but no third party mods.

Also, this game is not designed to be soloed. If you love soloing, you can either take henchmen (Stupid NPC controlled allies) or you can try and solo the game (and die, many many times).

You reach the level cap quickly, and the world is tiny compared to WoW's. GW also has no "epic-like" items. However, the PvP is superior to WoW's mess of a BG system.

So basically, GW is a deeper, more strategic but shorter game, while WoW is a lot bigger and all about raiding (or PvPing) for hours on end to get the most bad-ass equips in the game. GW sucks less time out of your day.

Oh, and considering that you're 40, i didn't really compare the prices because they're probably pretty irrelevant.

SiLKy · Feb 10, 2006, 09:57 AM // 09:57

Sorry for bumping old threads but I just saw this one and had to give my thoughts on it as I have just quit WoW for GW.

First a little bit about me, I have a lvl 60 mage (Main) lvl 60 rogue and a lvl 58 hunter on a pvp server. WoW 1 - 59 is a great game, one of the best ive played. However post 60 it starts to go downhill as items > all. The rat race to get your epic set begins and it consists of usually pressing one skill for 3-4 hours a night in one of the 40 man raid instances (molten core/black wing lair/onyxia) The raids themselves are not only time sinks (MC can take probably about 4 - 5 hours to clear for an experienced guild such as mine) but in the early stages of the raiding game there is a lot of wiping. When you die in WoW the only negative effect is you loose durability of your items which costs gold to repair.

Gold is in no way as easy to come by in wow as it is in GW. Mobs generally drop a couple of silver and items you can sell on the auction house for a few gold pieces. Repairs after a night MC run will be anywhere in the region of 4-10g depending on number of wipes. We then consider any potions you will (various encounters in raid instances require you have potions, such as ragnaros the last boss in MC you will more than likely need 2-3 greater fire protection potions depending on the class you pay which will costs you anywhere in the region of 20g) need and some class spells like party buffs costs reagents that also cost money.

Blizzard have deliberately but these money sinks in also to keep people playing and paying for the game. Farming a descent amount of cash can take hours and all the descent farm spots are totally overcrowded as the only instances in the game are the dungeons and raids. There are 'milestone' type payouts which, in essence are cool but still at lvl 40 you need to cough up 120g for a mount you can ride round and the skill to ride it. At lvl 60 you can get an epic mount which costs 1000g

Now the pvp in wow is totally shit. Blizzard implemented an honor system which is basically a way for players to farm other players in instance 'battlegrounds' These battlegrounds go totally against the lore and istead of promoting this 'faction war of epic proportions' its basically a FPS come MMORPG with stupid objectives like capture the flag or resources. To progress up the honor system (14 ranks, various equipment for each rank) you must spend every minute of your waking life inside battlegrounds. Now if you are a casualish player, forget about making it anywhere in this system and if you play alliance then you are likely to have to spend 1h+ waiting in queue's from BG's. There is no outdoor pvp since this syetm came out as anyone interested in pvp is either in a BG or waiting in the queue.

After this shitty system is explained lets talk about class balance, or lack thereof. Blizzards combat system 'Apparently' works like a rock paper scissors system. Each class has its anti class and other classes it can take down easily.

This went straight out the window when epic items became more available to a larget spectrum of players. The game now consists of a couple of classes blizzard have decided to 'change' for the sake of 'balance' kicking the shit out of everyone else, more so the godly shaman who has everything you want in a char (good spell dmg good melee dmg, fast travel, droppable totems and healing zomg!)

pvp in wow is now who can one shot the other person first, shying away from the classic MMO equasion of tank+healer+DD blizzard have given every class the ability to do insane dmg, except for the Paladin who has 9 lives so will kill you eventually but never actually die himself.

The problem with this is there are various caster classes wearing cloth armour who have nothing but raw dmg output are getting shafted. Blizzards own concept of the mage, aka the glass cannon is all but a myth and mages are now all glass no cannon. There are other classes who have raw damage output, a descent amount of melee dmg mitigation and superior cc (not that you need it one shotting someone from 40yards away) Dont even get me started on blizzards magic resistance system.

There are trinkets in the game for casters that actually promote one shotting!

So the classes were supposed to be like this

Warrior - Primary Tank
Priest - Primary Healer
Mage - Primary Magic Damage Dealer
Druid - Hybrid Secondary healer/dmg dealer
Rogue - Primary physical Damage Dealer
Shaman - GOD
Paladin - Secondary Healer/tank
Hunter - Secondary Damage Dealer
Warlock - Primary Debuffer

This is how they look in the game as it stands at the moment

Warrior - Tank but also primary physical dmg dealer
Rogue - secondary physical damage dealer
Priest - Secondary healer/ Primary magic Damage Dealer
Shaman - GOD
Hunter - Primary physical Damage Dealer
Warlock - Flavour of the month class, totally overpowered damage dealer
Mage - Joke free kill
Paladin - Stil got his nice lives but also now a damage dealer
Druid - One of best healers in the game, also one of the best damage dealers.

In conclusion, wow is broken. I would NOT play this game anymore if you paid me, I will take another look at it when the expansion coems out to see if anything has improved.

GW on the other hand is great. After two days playing I am loving the game. It looks great, it feels great. Its done a far superior job of capturing the essence of the fantasy genre. The classes all look cool and much more diverse than any MMO I have played before. GW is everything wow should be.

BellyFlop · Feb 10, 2006, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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9 months of WoW?
$15x9 (subscription) + $30(game) = $165

I'm not sure if ANY game is worth that much just to play.

I never agree when people have to talk about money.

Do you Smoke? do you drink? do you eat fat Take aways? if to all this is a NO then well done you are a Angel if anyone of them is Yes Then Stop Doing it and you see that $165 a year its a bargain... unless you are 12 years old.

I dont play WoW cos it charges, jesus this is so old, grow up from it.

if you cant afford it or dont like it, then dont buy it!!! i never notice on the box saying if you dont buy it you will die or anything similar.

i play both games withouta problem i play normaly 3 months Guild Wars and 3 Months WoW and i dont see a problem, with it.

Why dont you talk about FF? do you know if you cancel your account to come back you will need to buy the game again? plus you need to call them to cancel.

this is not just directed to you but to all the silly people that allways on about that WoW charges and thats BAD. i think there are worst thing in life and in other games to worry about.

So Chill Out

We all love free stuff but sometimes we have to pay for others things.

I respect Anet for making Guild Wars a Free to play game but i dont go on about bitxxxxx about other games.

Poison Ivy · Feb 10, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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