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Athis Strider · Feb 14, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48

Im a little confused about how degen works.
As I understand it a char cannot receive more than 10 Degen pips. However there are combinations such as poison/burning and disease/ burning that can get to 11 pips of Degen.
So if a char can have a max of 10 pip Degen and say that char is healed with
Healing breeze which I think has +3 health Regen, is he only receiving +2 pip Regen? Or does that 1 Degen that is left over just not count at all?

Athis

For players that want info here's the Degen table.
(please correct me if Im mistaken)
Bleeding= 3 degen
Poisoned= 4 degen
Disease= 4 degen
Burning= 7 degen

tafy69 · Feb 14, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Athis Strider

Im a little confused about how degen works.
As I understand it a char cannot receive more than 10 Degen pips. However there are combinations such as poison/burning and disease/ burning that can get to 11 pips of Degen.
So if a char can have a max of 10 pip Degen and say that char is healed with
Healing breeze which I think has +3 health Regen, is he only receiving +2 pip Regen? Or does that 1 Degen that is left over just not count at all?

Athis

For players that want info here's the Degen table.
(please correct me if Im mistaken)
Bleeding= 3 degen
Poisoned= 4 degen
Disease= 4 degen
Burning= 7 degen

If a character suffers from all those conditions above which is 18 degen, it will be capped at 10.

If a +8 regen healing breeze is applied, the 18 degen goes to 10 degen which is still the max.

Mordakai · Feb 14, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Does the cap only count to conditions, or does it apply to other spells (Life Transfer, Phantasm, etc)

purebad · Feb 14, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Surley it should apply to DoT spells as well, but I did not know about the "hidden" degen....very interesting to know

tafy69 · Feb 14, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24

DoT spells like life transfer works in the same way as conditions

Bastard Son · Feb 14, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17

I got the following info from http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Health#Health_degeneration

"The maximum net regeneration or degeneration is limited to ten pips. Example: If a character is both poisoned and burning, the character would normally have a total of -11 pips, but due to the limit the player will only suffer from -10 health degeneration. If Healing Breeze is then cast upon that character, the spell provides +3 health regeneration, and the net total will now be -8 pips (not -7, because the limit doesn't change the basic effects of conditions affecting the character). In this case, the -1 pip over the visible -10 is "hidden" and doesn't immediately affect the player's health, but still counts towards canceling out the +3 regeneration. This is also noticable when multiple hexes and conditions cause so much degeneration on a character that small amounts of regeneration may be completely useless."

Athis Strider · Feb 14, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Yeah thats what I thought! So there is a point to degen as much as posible beyond the 10 pip's. This will cause the player grief when he tries to Regen his health with a "Hidden" degen point factor which is not visible to the char.

So If a player has 18 degen on him, and his Troll/ whatever healing skill only does 8 health Regen, the char then still has 10 degen on him, right?

Athis

Bastard Son · Feb 14, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

As far as I understand it, yes.

Kamatsu · Feb 14, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Correct. The same applies to regen as well..

If you put up Troll Unguent with 8 regen and then get smacked with 12 degen, you;'ll be suffering 4 degen.

Same as if you managed to get your regen up to 18, you'd only see 10 regen and only get the benefit's of 10 regen.. the other 8 regen is "hidden"... if at some point you suffer 8 degen.. you'll be left at 10 regen, not 2 regen.

Athis Strider · Feb 15, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

Thank you for your help guys.

Athis

Feb 14, 2006, 05:48 PM // 17:48	#1
Athis Strider Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Profession: R/Mo	DEGEN question Im a little confused about how degen works. As I understand it a char cannot receive more than 10 Degen pips. However there are combinations such as poison/burning and disease/ burning that can get to 11 pips of Degen. So if a char can have a max of 10 pip Degen and say that char is healed with Healing breeze which I think has +3 health Regen, is he only receiving +2 pip Regen? Or does that 1 Degen that is left over just not count at all? Athis For players that want info here's the Degen table. (please correct me if Im mistaken) Bleeding= 3 degen Poisoned= 4 degen Disease= 4 degen Burning= 7 degen

Feb 14, 2006, 06:08 PM // 18:08	#3
Mordakai Grotto Attendant Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Kyhlo Profession: W/	Does the cap only count to conditions, or does it apply to other spells (Life Transfer, Phantasm, etc)

Feb 14, 2006, 06:12 PM // 18:12	#4
purebad Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kentucky Guild: Du Vrangr Gatas [MAGE]	Surley it should apply to DoT spells as well, but I did not know about the "hidden" degen....very interesting to know

Feb 14, 2006, 06:24 PM // 18:24	#5
tafy69 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Profession: N/Me	DoT spells like life transfer works in the same way as conditions

Feb 14, 2006, 07:17 PM // 19:17	#6
Bastard Son Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upstate NY Guild: Bastahd Sons of Zeus	I got the following info from http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Health#Health_degeneration "The maximum net regeneration or degeneration is limited to ten pips. Example: If a character is both poisoned and burning, the character would normally have a total of -11 pips, but due to the limit the player will only suffer from -10 health degeneration. If Healing Breeze is then cast upon that character, the spell provides +3 health regeneration, and the net total will now be -8 pips (not -7, because the limit doesn't change the basic effects of conditions affecting the character). In this case, the -1 pip over the visible -10 is "hidden" and doesn't immediately affect the player's health, but still counts towards canceling out the +3 regeneration. This is also noticable when multiple hexes and conditions cause so much degeneration on a character that small amounts of regeneration may be completely useless."

Feb 14, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48	#7
Athis Strider Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Profession: R/Mo	Yeah thats what I thought! So there is a point to degen as much as posible beyond the 10 pip's. This will cause the player grief when he tries to Regen his health with a "Hidden" degen point factor which is not visible to the char. So If a player has 18 degen on him, and his Troll/ whatever healing skill only does 8 health Regen, the char then still has 10 degen on him, right? Athis

Feb 14, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04	#8
Bastard Son Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Upstate NY Guild: Bastahd Sons of Zeus	As far as I understand it, yes.

Feb 14, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36	#9
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	Correct. The same applies to regen as well.. If you put up Troll Unguent with 8 regen and then get smacked with 12 degen, you;'ll be suffering 4 degen. Same as if you managed to get your regen up to 18, you'd only see 10 regen and only get the benefit's of 10 regen.. the other 8 regen is "hidden"... if at some point you suffer 8 degen.. you'll be left at 10 regen, not 2 regen.

Feb 15, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43	#10
Athis Strider Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: California Profession: R/Mo	Thank you for your help guys. Athis