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Maria The Princess · Mar 23, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

hiya

I just found 2 new bows for my Ranger... Elswyth Recurve bow and Elswyth Long bow...
So i decided to keep the Recurve bow (i dont have a vamp bow yet and its better then Dragos vamp)
I asked for price chec for Elswyth Long bow, got answers of 25k

, but people only look and run away! when i compare the stats with Drago's Flat Bow, Elswyth comes out as a better bow. Yet, people keep asking for Dragos, willing to pay up to 40k for it. I dont get it! Why do people think that having 10% chance to get armor penetration of extra 10% is going to do such a dramatic diffrence! I mean, if 1 shot out of 10 does +5 dmg then normal shot it doesnt worth the extra 10-20k!
I actually think that if foe is poisoned (in most of groups theres always some1 who uses poison, like a necro or anouther ranger) the 33% longer ALL THE TIME does more diffrence!

Plz correct me if im wrong or maby theres something i should know better about bows....

---> Elswyth Long Bow
Piercing damage: 15-28 (req. 9 Marksmanship)
Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%)
Lengthens Poison duration on foes by 33%
Health +30

---> Drago's Flat Bow
Piercing damage: 15-28 (req. 9 Marksmanship)
Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%)
Armor penetration +10% (Chance: 10%)
Health +30

TheMosesPHD · Mar 23, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32

ppl like Dragos because it's leetsauce, or so they believe. ppl like the long bow because it's good for poisoning builds, which a lot of solo ranger builds use. The price has partly to do with the function of the weapon, but also has some to do with the availability. More ppl are aqquiring Elswyth's Long Bows each day than ppl aqquiring the Dragos. Also the Dragos bow just has a better reputation.

Jenosavel · Mar 23, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33

For some reason, people have always been enamored with Sundering. It doesn't matter that the mod is pretty poor in comparison to most others, people still love it (and will argue that it's the best damage mod, despite the math showing otherwise). ...and also, Drago's Flatbow is gigantic. People like large weapons.

Maria The Princess · Mar 23, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41

lol so i guess its just a trend....
I find that Drago is more availble then Elswyth. Drago is in Sorrows Furnace, takes like 30 min to get to him AND its usually 5 ppl groups, VS Eslwyth bows drop in HOH, (4th lvl of Kings Tomb) it takes forever to get there (average group does in 1 to 1.5 hours), and its always a 8 ppl groups, so less chances!
well, trends......

Kidney Licker · Mar 23, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

The flatbow also has the faster refire rate, which is the main reason why I use it, well in the tombs anyway. You need to supplement it with FW or Read the Wind, so it's good in ranger groups.

I normally use long bows and shortbows in balanced groups though.

Maria The Princess · Mar 23, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

I had it on my ranger bofore. I found it, so i decided to test drive it. I didnt notice anything special about it that would make me want to spend more then 10-15k on it. I sold it for 35k.... and it was totaly worth selling for that much! hehe

btw, i like the vamp bow in the tombs. I use mending (barrage is only 3 energy, with a hight expertise that i always have)

Kidney Licker · Mar 23, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

This description of bow properties may help you

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ies-id1092.php

EDIT : +30hp bow grips of fortitude cost between 30-50K, and are hard to find at times, so it can be a long and expensive process making your own perfect bow. Sometimes greens are the best option.....

Maria The Princess · Mar 23, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13

hey thanks! i didnt know such stats exist!

btw, i know making your own bow is such a hussle.... i got 3 greens for each occasion now and im not evem trying to find anything else.... i rather concentrate on my 55hp monk wepons...

Manic Smile · Mar 23, 2006, 07:28 AM // 07:28

there is a thread about how mending is a waste in countering degen from vamp weapons

weapon switch ftw...

Taliman · Mar 23, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Hmm one thing I noticed that no one seemed to comment on, with Dragos Flatbow your Ranger can be farther away and still hit the target. Im not sure if you can do that with Elswyth's bows. So for me, I'll choose Drago's for that extra safety factor

Maria The Princess · Mar 23, 2006, 07:49 AM // 07:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manic Smile

there is a thread about how mending is a waste in countering degen from vamp weapons

weapon switch ftw...

i didnt read that one but:
sometimes i replace mending by Wachful spirit (+2 reg and no need to invest attributes in monk skills) if my group assigns me to be wildreness ranger.

from skills i use all the time: barrage, dodge, throw dirt, lighting reflexes. All those cost 5 energy, with expertise high its 3 enegy. skills i use rarly are trall enguent (or heal breese), rebirth, comf animal, spirits.
so the +2 enegy regen is more then enouth for me! and i rarely need to heal myself cuz with barrage evry arrow gives +5hp. if im facing 2 or 1 monsters(which is rare in ToPK, cuz they come in groups of like 50) i just swich bows to Elswyth long bow and get +3 hp reg, +trall enguent that costs me 3 enery!
vamp bows can be tricky but once you learn there very helpful. with that build i hardly ever die! used to die all the time with normal bow and no mending.

fiery · Mar 23, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

Any profession using mending, *shivers*.

Numa Pompilius · Mar 23, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Feh. Mending rocks in farming, and actually helps in random arena too (if you're a warrior you'll take almost exclusively degen damage in random arena) although usually there are other skills which are more helpful there.
Wrt vampiric & zealous, they help. 5 extra vampiric damage per hit isn't bad, and zealous basically means you're never out of energy.

Pi_Numurian · Mar 23, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD

ppl like Dragos because it's leetsauce, or so they believe. ppl like the long bow because it's good for poisoning builds, which a lot of solo ranger builds use. The price has partly to do with the function of the weapon, but also has some to do with the availability. More ppl are aqquiring Elswyth's Long Bows each day than ppl aqquiring the Dragos. Also the Dragos bow just has a better reputation.

I have Dragos

Raptox · Mar 23, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD

More ppl are aqquiring Elswyth's Long Bows each day than ppl aqquiring the Dragos.

This bears repeating. The market for greens from the Ruined Tombs is completely and utterly flooded. Once a new farming hotspot comes out the market might stabilize a little, but not before then.

It's a great bow, though, so why not hang on to it? I am.

Maria The Princess · Mar 23, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taliman

Hmm one thing I noticed that no one seemed to comment on, with Dragos Flatbow your Ranger can be farther away and still hit the target. Im not sure if you can do that with Elswyth's bows. So for me, I'll choose Drago's for that extra safety factor

in a previous reply i got a web link that shows ranges of bows. so guess what, Drago falt bow has same range like the Elswyth long bow.... i guess the onlt diffrence is in the 0.4 second of faster reshoot the long bow has, but again, arrows fly faster . but 1 second..... with any bow, barrage takes the same 1 second to cast, so whats the diffrence..... well idk, as we said before i guess its a trend

but ty all for good advice and good link

Mar 23, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24	#1
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	Green Bows hiya I just found 2 new bows for my Ranger... Elswyth Recurve bow and Elswyth Long bow... So i decided to keep the Recurve bow (i dont have a vamp bow yet and its better then Dragos vamp) I asked for price chec for Elswyth Long bow, got answers of 25k , but people only look and run away! when i compare the stats with Drago's Flat Bow, Elswyth comes out as a better bow. Yet, people keep asking for Dragos, willing to pay up to 40k for it. I dont get it! Why do people think that having 10% chance to get armor penetration of extra 10% is going to do such a dramatic diffrence! I mean, if 1 shot out of 10 does +5 dmg then normal shot it doesnt worth the extra 10-20k! I actually think that if foe is poisoned (in most of groups theres always some1 who uses poison, like a necro or anouther ranger) the 33% longer ALL THE TIME does more diffrence! Plz correct me if im wrong or maby theres something i should know better about bows.... ---> Elswyth Long Bow Piercing damage: 15-28 (req. 9 Marksmanship) Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%) Lengthens Poison duration on foes by 33% Health +30 ---> Drago's Flat Bow Piercing damage: 15-28 (req. 9 Marksmanship) Damage +15% (while Health is above 50%) Armor penetration +10% (Chance: 10%) Health +30

Mar 23, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00	#6
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	I had it on my ranger bofore. I found it, so i decided to test drive it. I didnt notice anything special about it that would make me want to spend more then 10-15k on it. I sold it for 35k.... and it was totaly worth selling for that much! hehe btw, i like the vamp bow in the tombs. I use mending (barrage is only 3 energy, with a hight expertise that i always have) Last edited by Maria The Princess; Mar 23, 2006 at 01:03 AM // 01:03..

Mar 23, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02	#7
Kidney Licker Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Europe Server	This description of bow properties may help you http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ies-id1092.php EDIT : +30hp bow grips of fortitude cost between 30-50K, and are hard to find at times, so it can be a long and expensive process making your own perfect bow. Sometimes greens are the best option..... Last edited by Kidney Licker; Mar 23, 2006 at 01:15 AM // 01:15..

Mar 23, 2006, 12:32 AM // 00:32	#2
TheMosesPHD Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oregon Guild: Mo Mo Patty Blinks [MoMo] Profession: R/	ppl like Dragos because it's leetsauce, or so they believe. ppl like the long bow because it's good for poisoning builds, which a lot of solo ranger builds use. The price has partly to do with the function of the weapon, but also has some to do with the availability. More ppl are aqquiring Elswyth's Long Bows each day than ppl aqquiring the Dragos. Also the Dragos bow just has a better reputation.

Mar 23, 2006, 12:33 AM // 00:33	#3
Jenosavel Master of Beasts Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	For some reason, people have always been enamored with Sundering. It doesn't matter that the mod is pretty poor in comparison to most others, people still love it (and will argue that it's the best damage mod, despite the math showing otherwise). ...and also, Drago's Flatbow is gigantic. People like large weapons.

Mar 23, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41	#4
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	lol so i guess its just a trend.... I find that Drago is more availble then Elswyth. Drago is in Sorrows Furnace, takes like 30 min to get to him AND its usually 5 ppl groups, VS Eslwyth bows drop in HOH, (4th lvl of Kings Tomb) it takes forever to get there (average group does in 1 to 1.5 hours), and its always a 8 ppl groups, so less chances! well, trends......

Mar 23, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56	#5
Kidney Licker Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Europe Server	The flatbow also has the faster refire rate, which is the main reason why I use it, well in the tombs anyway. You need to supplement it with FW or Read the Wind, so it's good in ranger groups. I normally use long bows and shortbows in balanced groups though.

Mar 23, 2006, 05:13 AM // 05:13	#8
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	hey thanks! i didnt know such stats exist! btw, i know making your own bow is such a hussle.... i got 3 greens for each occasion now and im not evem trying to find anything else.... i rather concentrate on my 55hp monk wepons...

Mar 23, 2006, 07:28 AM // 07:28	#9
Manic Smile Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hawaii Guild: ----- 15^50[Rare] ---- Alliance: ----- [SMS] -----	there is a thread about how mending is a waste in countering degen from vamp weapons weapon switch ftw...

Mar 23, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48	#10
Taliman Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/Mo	Hmm one thing I noticed that no one seemed to comment on, with Dragos Flatbow your Ranger can be farther away and still hit the target. Im not sure if you can do that with Elswyth's bows. So for me, I'll choose Drago's for that extra safety factor

Mar 23, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57	#12
fiery Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: maryland Guild: InYurFace Gaming [IYF] Profession: R/	Any profession using mending, shivers.

Mar 23, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06	#13
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Feh. Mending rocks in farming, and actually helps in random arena too (if you're a warrior you'll take almost exclusively degen damage in random arena) although usually there are other skills which are more helpful there. Wrt vampiric & zealous, they help. 5 extra vampiric damage per hit isn't bad, and zealous basically means you're never out of energy.