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Reydien · May 03, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

higher requirement weapons are less favored simply because it requires more invested attribute points (and runes) to reach the required level. Admittedly, you rarely see a build using less than 11 or 12 in a weapon skill, but the point is still valid.

Alternatively, you could look at it as another form of perfection: a max dmg req 9 sword isn't as "perfect" as a max dm req 8. They're paying so much for mechanically meaningless numbers already, what's one more?

Mournblade · May 03, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Low reqs give you more flexibility to your build. Imagine all the skill points you save if you only need 7 points in swordsmanship instead of 13 to do max damage with your weapon?

Orange Milk · May 03, 2006, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Simplicity.

I have 4 weapons sets, each spot has a req 9 bow in it. I know that no matter what bow I use or where I go my Marksman attributes never need be higher than 9 allowing me to switch bows on the fly or skill and attribute. layouts with out having to worry about the one req 12 bow im carrying. I can be much more versitle with my other attributes.

PS What you set your attributes to DOES effect the skills damage, so I do run around with a 13 or 14 marks often just to increase damage out put from from skill enhanced arrows (i.e. Barrage is +14 dmg at 14 marks and +12 damage at 12 marks)

Oh and that 1% from a 14^50 to a 15^50 adds up over time vs a foe, a little bit more damage (1 or 2 HP per hit) each time, just like all those inches add up to yards on the football field

Elecro · May 03, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

One quick question: So my Victo's Blade has 9 reqs, and if i increase it more then 9, will it affect damage?

Burakus Lightwing · May 03, 2006, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Elecro

One quick question: So my Victo's Blade has 9 reqs, and if i increase it more then 9, will it affect damage?

If you only put 9 in swordsmanship then yes. You need 12 attribute points to do the full 100% damage of the weapon. per the link i had in the previuos post. At 9 attribute points you are only doing roughly 75% of max damage of the weapon.

Orange Milk pointed out that even though he uses req 9 bows he still has marks up to 12-14 to get the max damage out of the bows and then some.

Swinging Fists · May 03, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Mournblade

Low reqs give you more flexibility to your build. Imagine all the skill points you save if you only need 7 points in swordsmanship instead of 13 to do max damage with your weapon?

And yet, you will still need 12 points in swordsmanship to actually hit the 15-22 max damage, as anything lower results in a reduction of damage according to the damage formulas. Oh, the complications...

Uther Charrsbane · May 04, 2006, 09:30 AM // 09:30

Ok so u say perfect wepons is wat people spend their cash on? y dont they just try achieving a better goal like getting all skills possible. personally im gna go get the weponsmiths sword and shove a few 10/9s and +29s on it and im off i can say its perfect nobody will ever know

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BTW ty all for your posts very intresting stuff. i never thought it would be this complicated LOL.

Don Zardeone · May 04, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Where are those tests for the 14%-15% difference?

I'm interested in this kind of stuff.

If you pump up your damageoutput, 16 in your attribute, maybe even up to 18 through items. Elemental damage on elemental weakness. The right skills etc... The 14% should make a difference at some point. Even if it's only 1 extra damage.

It's 1 entire extra damage ffs!!!

I think of it this way:
You have 14 cents, or you have 15 cents. No real difference, you still can't buy a newspaper with that.

15 million dollars vs 14 million dollars.
Wah that's a 1 million dollar difference!

Where are those testresults? O.o

Draxx · May 04, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28

haha a million dollars is a millions dollars mate, regardless... bt yeah personally give me 14% any day its not different ENOUGH by ANY means to justify the amount of money more that it is and if i got 1 from a drop... id sell it and buy a 14% and sit there counting my money lol

Dove_Song · May 04, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by HOXMAN

this might be off topic but i think it might still apply.. quick question...

What is a "skin"? I'm not hip to the new lingo yet. indulge me

the SKIN is the LOOK of the weapon....

like many bows are LONGBOWS (in terms of bow type) but you can have several different longbow SKINS (LOOKS).

Dahl · May 04, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

1) I saw someone mention sundering up there. Sundering is completely useless, even 20/20. It adds roughly 0.90 damage per second. Vamp is still better by a landslide, anyone who thinks otherwise are deluding themselves. This is FACT, not opinion.

2) The 15% is a status symbol, it's all about showmanship, plus it rounds better so you have a noticably higher attack. 14-15 is a bigger jump than 13-14 because of the roundability. That also means that 19-20 is a lot better than 14-15 because 20 is even better for rounding.

3)Fellblades aren't worth NEARLY that anymore... I wouldn't pay any more than 50k for a max gold 15^50 fellblade. They're common, just like everything else in prophecies besides the Crystallline. And for the record, serpent axes are no longer rare, they're quite common in factions. I had 4 drop for me in 1 mission.

Once again though - DO NOT BUY SUNDERING, not now, not ever. Don't buy furious either. The damage you get from the slightly faster adrenaline buildup can be MORE than made up for with vampiric. Don't waste your money on nothing. The new victo's axe is as useless as the last one. If you want the godly green axe, get DragonCrest. It's 15^50 3/-1 vamp health +30 (I happen to be selling one so PM me if you wanna negotiate)

Uther Charrsbane · May 06, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

btw wats the max vamprik on sword??

unda dawg · May 06, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

ive noticed that with the vigor runes its like 37k more for 9 more health!

BrotherGilburt · May 06, 2006, 05:00 AM // 05:00

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Originally Posted by Uther Charrsbane

Now i realy am confused now.

14^50 req 8 fellblade is worth like 100k+10ektos.

BUT a 15^50 fellblade req 8 too same mods lets say is worth like 100k+50ektos.

WTFWTFWTFTWTFWTF

y the hell do pple pay so much more for 1%??!!!(even in sunderng and furious)

help meeeeeeeee.

the 1% can make a differance. You have realize people always want max mods. And becuz max mods drop so much less than non max mods they are worth alot more. Also if you have a max mod you have better bragging rights.

Brother Gilburt

Tsunami Rain · May 06, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42

OP: please dont excessivly spam when it is not needed. you can get your point across simply by stating "wtf" once instead of 5 times and by using the confused smiley once instead of four times.

May 04, 2006, 09:30 AM // 09:30	#27
Uther Charrsbane Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: KoRn Profession: W/R	Ok so u say perfect wepons is wat people spend their cash on? y dont they just try achieving a better goal like getting all skills possible. personally im gna go get the weponsmiths sword and shove a few 10/9s and +29s on it and im off i can say its perfect nobody will ever know. BTW ty all for your posts very intresting stuff. i never thought it would be this complicated LOL.

May 03, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27	#21
Reydien Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	higher requirement weapons are less favored simply because it requires more invested attribute points (and runes) to reach the required level. Admittedly, you rarely see a build using less than 11 or 12 in a weapon skill, but the point is still valid. Alternatively, you could look at it as another form of perfection: a max dmg req 9 sword isn't as "perfect" as a max dm req 8. They're paying so much for mechanically meaningless numbers already, what's one more?

May 03, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27	#22
Mournblade Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Guild: Dawn Treaders [DAWN] Profession: W/Mo	Low reqs give you more flexibility to your build. Imagine all the skill points you save if you only need 7 points in swordsmanship instead of 13 to do max damage with your weapon?

May 03, 2006, 04:40 PM // 16:40	#23
Orange Milk Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ganking, USA Guild: Retired Profession: R/	Simplicity. I have 4 weapons sets, each spot has a req 9 bow in it. I know that no matter what bow I use or where I go my Marksman attributes never need be higher than 9 allowing me to switch bows on the fly or skill and attribute. layouts with out having to worry about the one req 12 bow im carrying. I can be much more versitle with my other attributes. PS What you set your attributes to DOES effect the skills damage, so I do run around with a 13 or 14 marks often just to increase damage out put from from skill enhanced arrows (i.e. Barrage is +14 dmg at 14 marks and +12 damage at 12 marks) Oh and that 1% from a 14^50 to a 15^50 adds up over time vs a foe, a little bit more damage (1 or 2 HP per hit) each time, just like all those inches add up to yards on the football field

May 03, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57	#24
Elecro Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Croatian Dark Masters Profession: W/Mo	One quick question: So my Victo's Blade has 9 reqs, and if i increase it more then 9, will it affect damage?

May 04, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24	#28
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	Where are those tests for the 14%-15% difference? I'm interested in this kind of stuff. If you pump up your damageoutput, 16 in your attribute, maybe even up to 18 through items. Elemental damage on elemental weakness. The right skills etc... The 14% should make a difference at some point. Even if it's only 1 extra damage. It's 1 entire extra damage ffs!!! I think of it this way: You have 14 cents, or you have 15 cents. No real difference, you still can't buy a newspaper with that. 15 million dollars vs 14 million dollars. Wah that's a 1 million dollar difference! Where are those testresults? O.o

May 04, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28	#29
Draxx Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2006 Location: England Baby!	haha a million dollars is a millions dollars mate, regardless... bt yeah personally give me 14% any day its not different ENOUGH by ANY means to justify the amount of money more that it is and if i got 1 from a drop... id sell it and buy a 14% and sit there counting my money lol

May 04, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#31
Dahl Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ontario, Canada Guild: Exalted Legionnaires [ExL]	1) I saw someone mention sundering up there. Sundering is completely useless, even 20/20. It adds roughly 0.90 damage per second. Vamp is still better by a landslide, anyone who thinks otherwise are deluding themselves. This is FACT, not opinion. 2) The 15% is a status symbol, it's all about showmanship, plus it rounds better so you have a noticably higher attack. 14-15 is a bigger jump than 13-14 because of the roundability. That also means that 19-20 is a lot better than 14-15 because 20 is even better for rounding. 3)Fellblades aren't worth NEARLY that anymore... I wouldn't pay any more than 50k for a max gold 15^50 fellblade. They're common, just like everything else in prophecies besides the Crystallline. And for the record, serpent axes are no longer rare, they're quite common in factions. I had 4 drop for me in 1 mission. Once again though - DO NOT BUY SUNDERING, not now, not ever. Don't buy furious either. The damage you get from the slightly faster adrenaline buildup can be MORE than made up for with vampiric. Don't waste your money on nothing. The new victo's axe is as useless as the last one. If you want the godly green axe, get DragonCrest. It's 15^50 3/-1 vamp health +30 (I happen to be selling one so PM me if you wanna negotiate)

May 06, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00	#32
Uther Charrsbane Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: KoRn Profession: W/R	btw wats the max vamprik on sword??

May 06, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02	#33
unda dawg Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Narnia Guild: Twilight Saraphim [TS] Profession: E/Me	ive noticed that with the vigor runes its like 37k more for 9 more health!

May 06, 2006, 05:42 AM // 05:42	#35
Tsunami Rain mmmmmmmm pie. Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Guild: Favorable Winds [Gust] Profession: Mo/	OP: please dont excessivly spam when it is not needed. you can get your point across simply by stating "wtf" once instead of 5 times and by using the confused smiley once instead of four times.