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Don Zardeone · Apr 21, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10

I've been in many games, been everywhere really.

A few times (more like very often), I was monitored by admins, GMs and other people with the power to see what I was doing while I couldn't see them.

One time the admins even told me "every day I grab your logs and read them while I have my coffee". He wasn't kidding, he was actually doing that.

If they can make money or protect money they already have or prevent others from making money they can make, then they'll do what it takes to do that.

An example I like to give is when some guy buys money/items from ebay but gets hacked or something stupid happens.
He'll complain and go to customer support. Customer support has to help him unless he broke the eula.

What if it was allowed to buy stuff off ebay?
Customer support would HAVE to help him, maybe even compensate him for the money he lost.
If he sued then all hell woul dbreak loose and they'd lose money on doing silly things like arguing over whether or not ANet owns the money, the guy who bought it owns the money, the guy who earned the gold by farming it owned the money...

Then it also depends on where you're sueing. I know a few places and judges who would start lmaughing their ass off of you showed up telling them you bought virtual money.

"You bought an airguitar and want to see the airguitar now? How about I give you an airdollar for the airlaughter you've airgiven me? Oops, sorry, I need to go eat my airlunch now!"

It sounds stupid and it is.

But what I mean is that when something goes wrong, ANet might end up paying. Paying is them losing money. Them losing money is bad so they prefer to prevent it I guess.

Finding the ebayers (both buyers and sellers) can be done in several ways.
- monitoring the whisperlogs for words commonly used in those transactions
- having a GM act like a buyer
- having a warningsystem to see if someone got 1000k in gold for nothing
- etc...

(The way I see it, the ebayers give you cash and not ectos or whatever right?) A buddy could give you ectos, not his 1mil in cash...

It then might be cheaper to simply ban everyone who gets 1mil for nothing. Those few guys who got the 1mil in a legit way would then complain with customer support and would get their accounts back.
The others would figure out they were found and simply buy a new account.

This results in more $$ for ANet.

I seriously doubt they would have 1 guy looking through every single case BEFORE a ban. After a ban is so much easier and a lot less work.

You can try to beat the system but the system already owns you

*pheeeer*

nova-exarch · Apr 29, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33

I'm still waiting for someone to post here saying that they have been banned for buying gold on eBay (and ONLY buying gold).

Not how they "heard of so-and-so that got banned" or that they "read about ANet cracking down" or any other rumormill type stuff. :P

I might even accept close, real life friend or relative as being a true story.

In five years of EQ I never once met anyone that got banned solely for buying and/or selling on eBay. Sony was a whole heck of a lot more aggressive with eBay too.

If ANet truely wanted to shut the eBay sellers down they would do the same thing.

firestar314 · May 14, 2006, 05:54 AM // 05:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by NathanS

Example:
if you buy a new game and get the cheats for it the amount of time you will play it decreases. For some of us by quite a lot. So if they want the game to continue to sell and be talked about online and with friends then they must keep people from getting to many cheats ... ie ebay money or items.

Nathan

Hmmm... Two points
1) just because you have a lot of money doesn't mean game time spent will decrease. People don't buy gold at high levels--what's the point? People buy
when they are at low levels so they can jump ahead. So, instead of spending time farming and then getting bored, they spend their time exploring.

2) Let's see...how many people buy money off ebay anyway? let's say, 100 a month. So, 100 people get bored after 3 months and don't talk about Guild Wars anymore. Oh no! Chapter 2 comes out! They go and buy it. No loss in Anet's part at all.

Apr 21, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10	#41
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	I've been in many games, been everywhere really. A few times (more like very often), I was monitored by admins, GMs and other people with the power to see what I was doing while I couldn't see them. One time the admins even told me "every day I grab your logs and read them while I have my coffee". He wasn't kidding, he was actually doing that. If they can make money or protect money they already have or prevent others from making money they can make, then they'll do what it takes to do that. An example I like to give is when some guy buys money/items from ebay but gets hacked or something stupid happens. He'll complain and go to customer support. Customer support has to help him unless he broke the eula. What if it was allowed to buy stuff off ebay? Customer support would HAVE to help him, maybe even compensate him for the money he lost. If he sued then all hell woul dbreak loose and they'd lose money on doing silly things like arguing over whether or not ANet owns the money, the guy who bought it owns the money, the guy who earned the gold by farming it owned the money... Then it also depends on where you're sueing. I know a few places and judges who would start lmaughing their ass off of you showed up telling them you bought virtual money. "You bought an airguitar and want to see the airguitar now? How about I give you an airdollar for the airlaughter you've airgiven me? Oops, sorry, I need to go eat my airlunch now!" It sounds stupid and it is. But what I mean is that when something goes wrong, ANet might end up paying. Paying is them losing money. Them losing money is bad so they prefer to prevent it I guess. Finding the ebayers (both buyers and sellers) can be done in several ways. - monitoring the whisperlogs for words commonly used in those transactions - having a GM act like a buyer - having a warningsystem to see if someone got 1000k in gold for nothing - etc... (The way I see it, the ebayers give you cash and not ectos or whatever right?) A buddy could give you ectos, not his 1mil in cash... It then might be cheaper to simply ban everyone who gets 1mil for nothing. Those few guys who got the 1mil in a legit way would then complain with customer support and would get their accounts back. The others would figure out they were found and simply buy a new account. This results in more $$ for ANet. I seriously doubt they would have 1 guy looking through every single case BEFORE a ban. After a ban is so much easier and a lot less work. You can try to beat the system but the system already owns you pheeeer

Apr 29, 2006, 03:33 AM // 03:33	#42
nova-exarch Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2006	I'm still waiting for someone to post here saying that they have been banned for buying gold on eBay (and ONLY buying gold). Not how they "heard of so-and-so that got banned" or that they "read about ANet cracking down" or any other rumormill type stuff. :P I might even accept close, real life friend or relative as being a true story. In five years of EQ I never once met anyone that got banned solely for buying and/or selling on eBay. Sony was a whole heck of a lot more aggressive with eBay too. If ANet truely wanted to shut the eBay sellers down they would do the same thing.