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Ka El Windstorm · Jun 08, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

The description on guildwiki says "If target foe is fleeing, that foe is knocked down."

how does that work? what does it consider fleeing? Would it work in PvP? Does the game consider fleeing a movement in opposite direction of the area in which the skill is casted?

TheMosesPHD · Jun 08, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Fleeing is when their back is to you and they're moving.

boxterduke · Jun 08, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD

Fleeing is when their back is to you and they're moving.

Exactly.
So if they are running away from a AoE spell then thats fleeing.
So I think that skill is good if you have a caster with an AoE skill, or if you somehow cast an AoE akill. W/E with Breath of Fire.

demon dantes · Jun 08, 2006, 05:16 PM // 17:16

I was reading that skill just 5 minutes ago lol. thing is it should not be a elite skill. THE thing with it is the fact it says "fleeing". this to me means started to combat the enemy and starts to get butt whooped and runs away. Now what happends if i am just running past someone to get to a monk ? I am not fleeing i am engaging. So i see something very wrong with this skill.

Ninjutsu Honor Code · Jun 08, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

None shall pass the non elite version can be used just the same, but it doesnt require fleeing..

Francis Demeules · Jun 08, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32

But if they flee, all your attacks against fleeing foes are critical hit (on guildwiki)

Former Ruling · Jun 08, 2006, 08:06 PM // 20:06

Bull's Strike and Bull's Charge {E} used to require "Fleeing" as well. You NEVER EVER saw them in ANY warrior build.

In a buffing update, it was changed to simply "moving" - and Bull's Strike was instantly added to the FoTm Shock Warrior build.

Thats Fleeing for you.

"Fleeing" is a much more restrictive condition, as noted in a few of the posts here.

Shadow-Hunter · Jun 08, 2006, 09:49 PM // 21:49

So If you ever meet some1 who use it.. Dont run away from the dude with your back against him.. just walk backwards.. and his elite skill is worthless .. Lol, cra p skill ..

~Shadow xD

anonymous · Jun 08, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50

you can walk backwards and you are no longer fleeing, so coward would affect you. just as long as your back isnt to the enemy.

SaintGreg · Jun 08, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Bull's Strike and Bull's Charge {E} used to require "Fleeing" as well. You NEVER EVER saw them in ANY warrior build.

Just like to point out that this is wrong, EviL ran a Backbreaker warrior with Bull's Strike in the GWWC before Bull's Strike was changed from "fleeing" to "moving". It really hasn't changed in use all that much anyways, because for a warrior generally moving is fleeing.

You also saw Bull's Charge sword warriors every now and then, about like you see now - few and far between.

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So I think that skill is good if you have a caster with an AoE skill

Maybe if it didn't require adrenaline

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So If you ever meet some1 who use it.. Dont run away from the dude with your back against him.. just walk backwards.. and his elite skill is worthless

I by no means think the skill is very good, but if you try to kite any warrior by facing him and walking backwards, you arent going to live very long.

AW Lore · Jun 08, 2006, 10:53 PM // 22:53

well, from fort aspenwood mission, the luxon warrior npcs have this skill, and whenever they get close to the elementalist, and start building adrenaline, i usually am with my monk there keeping the ele alive, so i hit the "S" key to walk backwards, and i see the "coward" thing and get knocked down, i then hit the key to heal the npc, moving forward, they shout coward and knock me down.

and when i play with my warrior, i run the amber, and they are usually in front of me, they start shouting coward, and knock me down, even though im running towards them (altough actually they are in the way

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maybe im just unlucky that that skill always works on me or i never realize if im fleeing or what

Vermilion Okeanos · Jun 09, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01

If you are a caster with AoE... just use gale... I am sure you have enough attribute for that.

Coward is not that worth it for ele.

Jade_Onyx · Jun 09, 2006, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Okeanos

If you are a caster with AoE... just use gale... I am sure you have enough attribute for that.

Coward is not that worth it for ele.

I think what he ment was if you have an AoE el in your group, use it when things run away from you (the warrior)

Kakumei · Jun 09, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

I was curious about this, so I capped it and a guildie and I tested it.

It says "fleeing", but it triggers on any movement at all, like Bull's Strike does now.

Jun 08, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43	#1
Ka El Windstorm Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: R/	"Coward" The description on guildwiki says "If target foe is fleeing, that foe is knocked down." how does that work? what does it consider fleeing? Would it work in PvP? Does the game consider fleeing a movement in opposite direction of the area in which the skill is casted?

Jun 08, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21	#2
TheMosesPHD Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oregon Guild: Mo Mo Patty Blinks [MoMo] Profession: R/	Fleeing is when their back is to you and they're moving.

Jun 08, 2006, 05:16 PM // 17:16	#4
demon dantes Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ny Guild: Iyanden Wraithguard Profession: Mo/Me	I was reading that skill just 5 minutes ago lol. thing is it should not be a elite skill. THE thing with it is the fact it says "fleeing". this to me means started to combat the enemy and starts to get butt whooped and runs away. Now what happends if i am just running past someone to get to a monk ? I am not fleeing i am engaging. So i see something very wrong with this skill.

Jun 08, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28	#5
Ninjutsu Honor Code Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Holland Guild: Sidon, Order of Assasins Profession: R/W	None shall pass the non elite version can be used just the same, but it doesnt require fleeing..

Jun 08, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32	#6
Francis Demeules Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada, Qc Guild: [Holy] Profession: Me/Mo	But if they flee, all your attacks against fleeing foes are critical hit (on guildwiki)

Jun 08, 2006, 08:06 PM // 20:06	#7
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Bull's Strike and Bull's Charge {E} used to require "Fleeing" as well. You NEVER EVER saw them in ANY warrior build. In a buffing update, it was changed to simply "moving" - and Bull's Strike was instantly added to the FoTm Shock Warrior build. Thats Fleeing for you. "Fleeing" is a much more restrictive condition, as noted in a few of the posts here.

Jun 08, 2006, 09:49 PM // 21:49	#8
Shadow-Hunter Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Denmark Guild: [HH] [Hax] Profession: Mo/	So If you ever meet some1 who use it.. Dont run away from the dude with your back against him.. just walk backwards.. and his elite skill is worthless .. Lol, cra p skill .. ~Shadow xD

Jun 08, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50	#9
anonymous Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2006	you can walk backwards and you are no longer fleeing, so coward would affect you. just as long as your back isnt to the enemy.

Jun 08, 2006, 10:53 PM // 22:53	#11
AW Lore Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Ancient Warriors Gaming Clan Profession: W/Mo	well, from fort aspenwood mission, the luxon warrior npcs have this skill, and whenever they get close to the elementalist, and start building adrenaline, i usually am with my monk there keeping the ele alive, so i hit the "S" key to walk backwards, and i see the "coward" thing and get knocked down, i then hit the key to heal the npc, moving forward, they shout coward and knock me down. and when i play with my warrior, i run the amber, and they are usually in front of me, they start shouting coward, and knock me down, even though im running towards them (altough actually they are in the way ) maybe im just unlucky that that skill always works on me or i never realize if im fleeing or what

Jun 09, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01	#12
Vermilion Okeanos Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2005	If you are a caster with AoE... just use gale... I am sure you have enough attribute for that. Coward is not that worth it for ele.

Jun 09, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54	#14
Kakumei Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Grind is subjective Guild: learn this please	I was curious about this, so I capped it and a guildie and I tested it. It says "fleeing", but it triggers on any movement at all, like Bull's Strike does now.