Unconditional modifiers? - Guild Wars Forums

Tidus the one · Jun 10, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

i've seen information about "unconditional modifiers," that is when you ahve +15% damage from a weapon and have no disadvantage from it at all. i wanted to as a quesiotn about these items. When did they appear? Why was it nerfed? When was it nerfed? are there any of existence right now? if so, how many(lol, if you did an interview)? and How much does a sword, axe, and hammer with unconditional modifiers cost?

just trying to get some informatoin on these mysterious weapons that i've never seen.

thank you!

Lurid · Jun 10, 2006, 06:07 AM // 06:07

They only dropped in Beta, if i'm not mistaken. They are most likely the most sought after weapons in the entire game, and i've never seen one come up for sale, or for that matter seen one anywhere, any time, ever.

Malice Black · Jun 10, 2006, 11:40 AM // 11:40

appered - first 2 weeks of GW release

nerfed - yes because the unconditonal gave an unfair advantage to the user, they were nerfed after 2-3weeks

there is a handful that still exsist, no all are max dmg and not all have max dmg mods ie

there is currently a no condition bow for sell 13% it around 1mill i beileve a 13% no neg longsword sold for 3mill around oct-nov last year

Caelus The Fallen · Jun 10, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53

Some of these weapons were the result of a bug on Zealous mods:
A weapon had a +15% dmg, -1 energy regen; adding a Zealous mod should have given a seconds -1 regen, but it didn't, the two neagatives got muddled together and you ended up with -1 regen instead of -2.
Removing the Zealous with another hilt took the zealous -1 away with it, leaving a +15% with no drawback.
...or so I'm told...

The Herbalizer · Jun 10, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by Tidus the one

When did they appear?

They dropped in the first two weeks of release I am told.

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Originally Posted by Tidus the one

Why was it nerfed?

They were nerfed as they were unbalanced.

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Originally Posted by Tidus the one

are there any of existence right now? if so, how many(lol, if you did an interview)?

It depends at what you define as existence. If you mean being able to see one in game or purchase one. Then to my knowledge there are 7 of them. One is mine and not for sale and another two I have been told are not for sale.

If you mean on guild wars account and include inactive ones where the owners most probably will never return then I only know of 17 including the active accounts.

Here is a list of all the unconditional weapons I have seen. The ones in bold are ones on currently active accounts. The owners of the others I doubt will ever return

Hammers
14% Warhammer (Magmas Arm Skin) Req 8
14% Warhammer
15% Shining Maul Req 10

Swords
13% Gladius Req 8 or 9
13% Longsword
15% Falchion (Possibly other skin)
13% Longsword Req 11
15% Forked Sword Req 8
15% Short Sword Req 8
15% Short Sword Req 10

Bows
13% Longbow Req 8,9 or 10
14% Halfmoon Req 8, 9 or 10
13% Short Bow Req 8,9 or 10

Axes
14% Double Bladed Axe (Or other name but same skin) Req 12
15% Dwarven Axe Req 12 (Customized)
14% Serpent Axe req 8
15% Sephis Axe
14% Battlepick Req 9
12% Double Bladed Axe req 12
14/15% Cleaver (Customized)

Some of the above skins may be wrong as the pictures were removed as no longer hosted etc so are from memory.

Note I may have missed some which exist. There also may be yet to be discovered ones. Although that is doubtful as it has been a year since they were nerfed.

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Originally Posted by Tidus the one

and How much does a sword, axe, and hammer with unconditional modifiers cost?

Um the only hammer on a reasonbly active account is mine and im never selling it. I will most probably customize it for pvp.

The swords 1 million +

Axe i think sold for 2 million

13% longsword I was told is not for sale

14% half moon I was told is not for sale

13% longbow had offers of 1 million but didnt reach reserve.

There are non max ones too which are worth less but still several hundred thousand gold.

I find the history of these items fascinating. And love browsing the old threads looking at them

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Eonwe · Jun 11, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36

You were able to obtain such items in the first weeks after release from the Arid Sea chests. Ofcourse, the chests and the items were soon nerfed but a few people who spent hours running back and forth farming them were lucky enough to get their hands on a few. This is the Dwarven Axe that Zrave got from those chests. He has it customized now though

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derrtyboy69 · Jun 11, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49

Herb i have a seen a 15% req 8 short sword, but i was a dumbass and took no pic, add it if ya want

Jedimagician · Jun 11, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

You were able to obtain such items in the first weeks after release from the Arid Sea chests. Ofcourse, the chests and the items were soon nerfed but a few people who spent hours running back and forth farming them were lucky enough to get their hands on a few. This is the Dwarven Axe that Zrave got from those chests. He has it customized now though

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lol thats photoshopped if u look carefully under dmg+15% you see that the shade of black is slightly lighter

==============lol nvm i got pwned==============

The Herbalizer · Jun 11, 2006, 08:52 AM // 08:52

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Originally Posted by Jedimagician

lol thats photoshopped if u look carefully under dmg+15% you see that the shade of black is slightly lighter

no its not. i personally know people who have seen it. i know for a fact it exists.

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Originally Posted by derrtyboy69

Herb i have a seen a 15% req 8 short sword, but i was a dumbass and took no pic, add it if ya want

thanks ill add it. found two more on gwonline too.

there is also a 14/15% cleaver which has been customized

Aera · Jun 11, 2006, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Normally like crappy purple dwarven axes already go for ~300k...gold one for 2 mil...how bout a 15% unconditional :| That's probably the most valuable item in the game ever ( unless someone's got a 15% unconditional crystalline :P )

The Herbalizer · Jun 11, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by Aera

Normally like crappy purple dwarven axes already go for ~300k...gold one for 2 mil...how bout a 15% unconditional :| That's probably the most valuable item in the game ever ( unless someone's got a 15% unconditional crystalline :P )

the trade window is the only limit to how much it would sell for. unless you can find an item worth more than a stack then fill the other slots with stacks of ecto. something like an r10 15>50 crystalline whose owner wants 1500 ectos last time i spoke to someone about it.

anyway it was customized >.<

Haggard · Jun 11, 2006, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by Jedimagician

lol thats photoshopped if u look carefully under dmg+15% you see that the shade of black is slightly lighter

==============lol nvm i got pwned==============

I'll pwn you again, if you look even more carefully youll notice that the shades of black are the result of an open friends/guild window.

Jun 10, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25	#1
Tidus the one Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	Unconditional modifiers? i've seen information about "unconditional modifiers," that is when you ahve +15% damage from a weapon and have no disadvantage from it at all. i wanted to as a quesiotn about these items. When did they appear? Why was it nerfed? When was it nerfed? are there any of existence right now? if so, how many(lol, if you did an interview)? and How much does a sword, axe, and hammer with unconditional modifiers cost? just trying to get some informatoin on these mysterious weapons that i've never seen. thank you!

Jun 10, 2006, 06:07 AM // 06:07	#2
Lurid Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: Mo/	They only dropped in Beta, if i'm not mistaken. They are most likely the most sought after weapons in the entire game, and i've never seen one come up for sale, or for that matter seen one anywhere, any time, ever.

Jun 10, 2006, 11:40 AM // 11:40	#3
Malice Black Site Legend Join Date: Oct 2005	appered - first 2 weeks of GW release nerfed - yes because the unconditonal gave an unfair advantage to the user, they were nerfed after 2-3weeks there is a handful that still exsist, no all are max dmg and not all have max dmg mods ie there is currently a no condition bow for sell 13% it around 1mill i beileve a 13% no neg longsword sold for 3mill around oct-nov last year

Jun 10, 2006, 01:53 PM // 13:53	#4
Caelus The Fallen Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Glasgow Guild: Voice of the Darkness Profession: E/Mo	Some of these weapons were the result of a bug on Zealous mods: A weapon had a +15% dmg, -1 energy regen; adding a Zealous mod should have given a seconds -1 regen, but it didn't, the two neagatives got muddled together and you ended up with -1 regen instead of -2. Removing the Zealous with another hilt took the zealous -1 away with it, leaving a +15% with no drawback. ...or so I'm told...

Jun 11, 2006, 04:36 AM // 04:36	#6
Eonwe Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Guild: Idiot Savants	You were able to obtain such items in the first weeks after release from the Arid Sea chests. Ofcourse, the chests and the items were soon nerfed but a few people who spent hours running back and forth farming them were lucky enough to get their hands on a few. This is the Dwarven Axe that Zrave got from those chests. He has it customized now though .

Jun 11, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49	#7
derrtyboy69 Grotto Attendant Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Clouds Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS] Profession: Mo/Me	Herb i have a seen a 15% req 8 short sword, but i was a dumbass and took no pic, add it if ya want

Jun 11, 2006, 09:16 AM // 09:16	#10
Aera Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm] Profession: E/	Normally like crappy purple dwarven axes already go for ~300k...gold one for 2 mil...how bout a 15% unconditional :\| That's probably the most valuable item in the game ever ( unless someone's got a 15% unconditional crystalline :P )