EULA changed - Guild Wars Forums

levortex · Aug 19, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29

The GW Uela changed (atleast for the europeans), but i don't get it. Do i need to pay now, if im not buying new campaigns?? I'm not really good in english and i don't know what really changed in the ula, but can someone explain the changes a bit?? (in simple normal englisch)

Opeth11 · Aug 19, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35

I don't know what the changes were, but I'm pretty sure that are no forced payments involved.

Dev121 · Aug 19, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I got it up but i never read them just click accept =P

Gorebrex · Aug 19, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I saw it at login, so maybe its changed for everyone. Saw something like what youre saying, I only speak english, and still am not sure. Will have to look again I guess.

zhai · Aug 19, 2006, 11:53 AM // 11:53

NC Interactive reserves the right to alter the fees payable for new Chapters or introduce alternative fee structures for the Service. Any alteration to the purchase price will be posted on the Web Site at least 30 days prior to such alteration taking effect. If you do not agree to any such alteration, you should not purchase the new Chapter and/or you should terminate your Account prior to the date on which the alteration takes effect, otherwise the revised amount will automatically be debited to your Account.

fees? What about "pay once, play forever"?

Kaguya · Aug 19, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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Originally Posted by zhai

NC Interactive reserves the right to alter the fees payable for new Chapters or introduce alternative fee structures for the Service. Any alteration to the purchase price will be posted on the Web Site at least 30 days prior to such alteration taking effect. If you do not agree to any such alteration, you should not purchase the new Chapter and/or you should terminate your Account prior to the date on which the alteration takes effect, otherwise the revised amount will automatically be debited to your Account.

fees? What about "pay once, play forever"?

That allows them to change the prices of character slots and chapters in the online store, and add/remove stuff online store would sell, for example. It doesn't mean they'll be including any pay to play-stuff. It has been said many times by ANet people that GW will not be PtP. Plus, that'd be like committing a suicide anyways, more or less.

zhai · Aug 19, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

I really wish Gaile to comment it.

Rain Knight · Aug 19, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

pfft ~ like mista devaney up there said, just click accept =P

basicly its just the same with some minor adjustments......18+, exploiting the software, bots, product fees etc etc...

Destro Maniak · Aug 19, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

I am the one of the people clicked accept without reading. Are we going to gives fees to nightfall

.Or are we going to give fees to prophercies and factions

or nothing

Tyggen · Aug 19, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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NC Interactive reserves the right to alter the fees payable for new Chapters or introduce alternative fee structures for the Service.

Accepting this is accepting that Anet may turn the game into pay-to-play. "The Service" they mention is either limited to new chapters (hopefully), but can also mean the existing game.

-edit-

Oh, and it's called an EULA, not an UELA.

led-zep · Aug 19, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

if the eula is changed and you dont agree do you get a refund on your purchase since it is an altered contract (supposedly) from when you first agreed.
would laugh if thousands of people dont agree and demand money back.

ChrOnic_Seizures · Aug 19, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21

I don't think they are going to add fees, but i must say seeing this actually made me think and stop to read the "whole" agreement. Maybe they plan to start really inforcing ALL the rules?

Ajantis · Aug 19, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by Destro Maniak

I am the one of the people clicked accept without reading. Are we going to gives fees to nightfall

.Or are we going to give fees to prophercies and factions

or nothing

How about you read it next time so you know what has changed?

ChaoticCoyote · Aug 19, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49

As I said in another thread: You're paranoid.

The changed clause is related to price changes in chapters and other purchasable content. For example, if you bought Propechies for $50, and they start selling it now for only $30 (maybe in the online store?), the EULA says you can't ask for a refund of the difference.

That's it. Nothing else. No conspiracies.

Cherrie · Aug 19, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57

How many threads on this update there are?
Anyway I'll cut down with my conclusions until Gail Gray will be so kind and clear matters up. What certain is that:
ANet advertised GW as "buy nd play for free" from the beggining
ANet officially anwsered (up to this date) that they designed and created the game so it wont become Pay to play
Law cannot work backwards so they cannot make owners of c1 and c2 pay additionally or they break the law

But still I cannot restrain one more comment... Reading some of Gail's anwser, like the one about merging accounts, I cant shake off that nasty feeling that ANet has become simply annother $ leech with no respect for players and with the "be happy with what youve got and fk off till next chapter" attitude. Sad.

SylverDragon · Aug 19, 2006, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhai

NC Interactive reserves the right to alter the fees payable for new Chapters or introduce alternative fee structures for the Service. Any alteration to the purchase price will be posted on the Web Site at least 30 days prior to such alteration taking effect. If you do not agree to any such alteration, you should not purchase the new Chapter and/or you should terminate your Account prior to the date on which the alteration takes effect, otherwise the revised amount will automatically be debited to your Account.

fees? What about "pay once, play forever"?

This term has not just been introduced into the EULA, and worries keep coming up over this each time the EULA is updated.

Anet have said many times that there will be no ptp fee.

This is a PlayNC EULA, with minor adaptations for GW. If you look at http://eu.plaync.com/eu/help/useragreements/ you can see the same clause in the EULA's for other PlayNC games.

Also note the part that says 'otherwise the revised amount will be automatically debited to your Account'. This is there so that the fees for games that are already ptp can be altered. They can't just start charging a fee if there is no existing agreement to do so.

Some people have said that the update is to cover the introduction of the online store.

EternalTempest · Aug 19, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

I can't find the post but Gaile did mention that GW is free to play when this topic was brought up and this has been EULA for a while now.

A lot of companies have this option, it gives them the legal right to change things latter but that doesn't mean they will implement such feature.

Anet knows that if this were to happen, they would easily lose 2/3 of there fanbase within 30 day notice.

Loviatar · Aug 19, 2006, 02:13 PM // 14:13

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Originally Posted by zhai

I really wish Gaile to comment it.

GAILE HAS ALREADY EXPLAINED IT VERY CLEARLY.

*ASIA*

*INTERNET CAFE*

*ALTERNATE FEE STRUCTURE FOR DIFFERENT COUNTRIES*

*ONE EULA TO COVER ONE WORLDWIDE GAME*

*THIS PART MAY APPLY TO KOREA BUT NOT BE AVAILABLE/APPLY IN USA/EU*

Zakarr · Aug 19, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Hopefully there is nothing else. People who bought Prophencies and/or Factions for "lifetime" without any forced fees, wouldn't be happy if they have to close their account after couple years because they refuse to pay extra fees.

Eragon Dragonslayer · Aug 19, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41

what they are saying is that if u are 18 or over u can subscribe to their service which automatically gives u every new chapter everytime its released and they will take 50$ from ur bank everytime they do that...

Aug 19, 2006, 11:29 AM // 11:29	#1
levortex Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Netherlands, gelderland Guild: none yet Profession: E/Mo	EULA changed The GW Uela changed (atleast for the europeans), but i don't get it. Do i need to pay now, if im not buying new campaigns?? I'm not really good in english and i don't know what really changed in the ula, but can someone explain the changes a bit?? (in simple normal englisch)

Aug 19, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18	#8
Rain Knight Site Contributor Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Australia Guild: [KATE] Profession: R/W	pfft ~ like mista devaney up there said, just click accept =P basicly its just the same with some minor adjustments......18+, exploiting the software, bots, product fees etc etc... Last edited by Rain Knight; Aug 19, 2006 at 12:21 PM // 12:21..

Aug 19, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35	#2
Opeth11 Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada Guild: Demon of the Fall [Opet] Profession: Mo/Me	I don't know what the changes were, but I'm pretty sure that are no forced payments involved.

Aug 19, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39	#3
Dev121 Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2005	I got it up but i never read them just click accept =P

Aug 19, 2006, 11:39 AM // 11:39	#4
Gorebrex Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2006	I saw it at login, so maybe its changed for everyone. Saw something like what youre saying, I only speak english, and still am not sure. Will have to look again I guess.

Aug 19, 2006, 11:53 AM // 11:53	#5
zhai Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Poland Guild: The Witchers Profession: R/Me	NC Interactive reserves the right to alter the fees payable for new Chapters or introduce alternative fee structures for the Service. Any alteration to the purchase price will be posted on the Web Site at least 30 days prior to such alteration taking effect. If you do not agree to any such alteration, you should not purchase the new Chapter and/or you should terminate your Account prior to the date on which the alteration takes effect, otherwise the revised amount will automatically be debited to your Account. fees? What about "pay once, play forever"?

Aug 19, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17	#7
zhai Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Poland Guild: The Witchers Profession: R/Me	I really wish Gaile to comment it.

Aug 19, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02	#9
Destro Maniak Jungle Guide Join Date: Aug 2006 Profession: A/	I am the one of the people clicked accept without reading. Are we going to gives fees to nightfall .Or are we going to give fees to prophercies and factions or nothing

Aug 19, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20	#11
led-zep Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005	if the eula is changed and you dont agree do you get a refund on your purchase since it is an altered contract (supposedly) from when you first agreed. would laugh if thousands of people dont agree and demand money back.

Aug 19, 2006, 01:49 PM // 13:49	#14
ChaoticCoyote Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida, USA Guild: Imperial Order of the Iguana [IGGY] Profession: R/	As I said in another thread: You're paranoid. The changed clause is related to price changes in chapters and other purchasable content. For example, if you bought Propechies for $50, and they start selling it now for only $30 (maybe in the online store?), the EULA says you can't ask for a refund of the difference. That's it. Nothing else. No conspiracies.

Aug 19, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57	#15
Cherrie Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Echowald Guild: Marked by [Fury] Profession: Me/	How many threads on this update there are? Anyway I'll cut down with my conclusions until Gail Gray will be so kind and clear matters up. What certain is that: ANet advertised GW as "buy nd play for free" from the beggining ANet officially anwsered (up to this date) that they designed and created the game so it wont become Pay to play Law cannot work backwards so they cannot make owners of c1 and c2 pay additionally or they break the law But still I cannot restrain one more comment... Reading some of Gail's anwser, like the one about merging accounts, I cant shake off that nasty feeling that ANet has become simply annother $ leech with no respect for players and with the "be happy with what youve got and fk off till next chapter" attitude. Sad.

Aug 19, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07	#17
EternalTempest Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: United States Guild: Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM] Profession: E/	I can't find the post but Gaile did mention that GW is free to play when this topic was brought up and this has been EULA for a while now. A lot of companies have this option, it gives them the legal right to change things latter but that doesn't mean they will implement such feature. Anet knows that if this were to happen, they would easily lose 2/3 of there fanbase within 30 day notice.

Aug 19, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28	#19
Zakarr Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland	Hopefully there is nothing else. People who bought Prophencies and/or Factions for "lifetime" without any forced fees, wouldn't be happy if they have to close their account after couple years because they refuse to pay extra fees.

Aug 19, 2006, 02:41 PM // 14:41	#20
Eragon Dragonslayer Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Right Behind You Guild: The Raven Evolution [wvw] Profession: A/	what they are saying is that if u are 18 or over u can subscribe to their service which automatically gives u every new chapter everytime its released and they will take 50$ from ur bank everytime they do that...