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Enchanted Warrior · Aug 30, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Purple Ebon Gothic Axe of Defense
Earth Damage: 6-28 (requires 8 axe mastery)
Armor +5 (vs physical attacks)

No + damage, not even while hexed, this has got to be a bug. I have seen gold weapons this way also. Have these types of stats always existed in game or is this new?

Eviance · Aug 30, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

always been that way hun, you've just been lucky till now.

Enchanted Warrior · Aug 30, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Seems to me the lack of + damage should make it white not purple. Another flaw in the AI I guess.

Knightsaber Sith · Aug 30, 2006, 06:52 PM // 18:52

There's no reason to assume a gold weapon will have a natural +dmg mod, crappy weapons come in all colors of the weapon rainbow.

sixdartbart · Aug 30, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

http://guildwars.com/support/gameupd...ve-2005-09.php
September 16th update

A bonus attribute does not mean an inherent damage bonus any prefix or suffix counts toward this as well.
You're lucky you missed the good old days where golds would drop with nothing on them

Insuscient Ranger · Aug 30, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

I got a few weapons with perfect mods but no dmg mod.
Makes ya mad. Freind got a 6-26 Sephies axe 15^50 +30 10/10 . Not max so he merchanted. Got itin kryta

That also happens alot to me. I got a holy rod 10/10 but not max dmg.11-21.

just cuz its gold doesnt mean a dmg mod OR max damage.

SaucE · Aug 30, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insuscient Ranger

I got a few weapons with perfect mods but no dmg mod.
Makes ya mad. Freind got a 6-26 Sephies axe 15^50 +30 10/10 . Not max so he merchanted. Got itin kryta

That also happens alot to me. I got a holy rod 10/10 but not max dmg.11-21.

just cuz its gold doesnt mean a dmg mod OR max damage.

Thax axe was prbably worth a few hundred K.

majoho · Aug 30, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37

I've had gold weapons without an inherient damage mod.

TheMadKingGeorge · Aug 30, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by majoho

I've had gold weapons without an inherient damage mod.

same here i thought it was normal

Enchanted Warrior · Aug 30, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

So basically the AI is broken and has never been fixed. OR this is a designed behavior. If it's a DB then the color of a weapon is mute.

pokerface · Aug 30, 2006, 08:08 PM // 20:08

I once got a rare shadow bow with just shocking string on it.................had a merch value of over 500 though

EagleEye33 · Aug 30, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

The mods on a weapon will change color(tier) of it. If its a certain color you can expect to get a certain range of "potential" from a weapon. dmg% is just a bonus.

Carinae · Aug 30, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

I have had two Dwarven Axes drop for me in the last month, the only two Dwarven's I've ever had.

Both max purple....neither had ANY MODS AT ALL!

MAX, PURPLE, CLEAN --> MERCH

milias · Aug 30, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaucE

Thax axe was prbably worth a few hundred K.

Nah, it's non-max. A perfect Req. 8 15>50 would fetch over 1 mil, but a non-max one like this, eh, maybe 30k to someone who really loves Sephis Axes.

Enchanted Warrior · Aug 30, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

Imaginary Conversation in game..

EW: WTS: Gothic Axe (not same in OP) max damage, +15%^50%, req9 15k
Joe_Q_Player: Let me see it
EW: By storage
Joe_Q_Player: Dude it's crap it's not gold, you won't get 15k for a purple axe.. NOOB!

Now, based on the conversations here, Joe_Q_Player is wrong. Color in this case is not important. (same stats in purple or gold) But most in game will say the axe is crap and junk it. Except for the few that understand game mechanics. I wonder how many weapons get scraped or sold to the merchant that are really treasures that get smeared by the stigma of weapon color?

dargon · Aug 31, 2006, 02:44 AM // 02:44

Ok, lets clarify here. Color has NOTHING to do with the mods on a weapon, except with regards to Vampiric and Zealous which will only appear on rare drops now. Color is defined by a comparison of the basic stats of an item vs. the mob that dropped it. For example, if you found a max damage sword with zero mods, no damage bonus, no nothing except that it was 15-22 in presear, it would be a gold item as this is an incredibly non-typical drop for the presear mobs.

Think of it this was, all the drops in the game are placed in a table, with different rows in the table representing increasing improvements in the general stats of the weapon, newbie weapons in row one, crystalline swords in the last row. There are more rows than there are mob levels in the game. Each mob is assigned to a row based upon it's species, location, and a few other things. This assignment defines the TYPICAL drop from that mob. However, now is when random chance comes into play, that mob could actually get an item from a row further down the list than where it sits. 1 to 2 positions out of place is an uncommon drop, 3 to 4 is a rare drop. The actual stats on the item do not matter, only how common it is for the mob you killed to have that item. Now, when Factions was released, a minor tweak was made to this system in that only rare drops can have Vampiric or Zealous mobs on them, beyond this, the actual stats are based upon the mob that dropped it and the items relative position to that mob in the table of potential drops for that mob.

Enchanted Warrior · Aug 31, 2006, 03:21 AM // 03:21

Makes sense..

Riken Chrono · Aug 31, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25

gold is a awesome color. purple is just meh. therefore gold tiems>purple items..... >_> <_<

HawkofStorms · Aug 31, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46

I had a Ebon Great Axe 6-28 with no mods drop in the desert.
For some reason, I think Ebon triggers as purple...

xiao1985 · Aug 31, 2006, 08:52 AM // 08:52

as long as it has any magical effect it will be coloured (ie none white),... the worst mod (considered by the game) will be blue, then purple, then gold...

ebon is considered as magical effect due to the earth damage part...

Aug 30, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46	#1
Enchanted Warrior Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/Mo	Weird stats Purple Ebon Gothic Axe of Defense Earth Damage: 6-28 (requires 8 axe mastery) Armor +5 (vs physical attacks) No + damage, not even while hexed, this has got to be a bug. I have seen gold weapons this way also. Have these types of stats always existed in game or is this new?

Aug 30, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48	#2
Eviance Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eh I forget... o_O Guild: Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/	always been that way hun, you've just been lucky till now.

Aug 30, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51	#3
Enchanted Warrior Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/Mo	Seems to me the lack of + damage should make it white not purple. Another flaw in the AI I guess.

Aug 30, 2006, 06:52 PM // 18:52	#4
Knightsaber Sith Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Few Fallen Heroes [FFH] Profession: W/E	There's no reason to assume a gold weapon will have a natural +dmg mod, crappy weapons come in all colors of the weapon rainbow.

Aug 30, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22	#5
sixdartbart Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Peace Machine GRRR [DiE] Profession: W/N	http://guildwars.com/support/gameupd...ve-2005-09.php September 16th update A bonus attribute does not mean an inherent damage bonus any prefix or suffix counts toward this as well. You're lucky you missed the good old days where golds would drop with nothing on them

Aug 30, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27	#6
Insuscient Ranger Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pluto-We miss you Guild: Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/	I got a few weapons with perfect mods but no dmg mod. Makes ya mad. Freind got a 6-26 Sephies axe 15^50 +30 10/10 . Not max so he merchanted. Got itin kryta That also happens alot to me. I got a holy rod 10/10 but not max dmg.11-21. just cuz its gold doesnt mean a dmg mod OR max damage.

Aug 30, 2006, 07:37 PM // 19:37	#8
majoho Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Denmark	I've had gold weapons without an inherient damage mod.

Aug 30, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02	#10
Enchanted Warrior Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/Mo	So basically the AI is broken and has never been fixed. OR this is a designed behavior. If it's a DB then the color of a weapon is mute.

Aug 30, 2006, 08:08 PM // 20:08	#11
pokerface Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: Guardians of the Grail Profession: R/Mo	I once got a rare shadow bow with just shocking string on it.................had a merch value of over 500 though

Aug 30, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49	#12
EagleEye33 Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: In a House...duh Guild: Untouchable Heroes Profession: R/E	The mods on a weapon will change color(tier) of it. If its a certain color you can expect to get a certain range of "potential" from a weapon. dmg% is just a bonus.

Aug 30, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58	#13
Carinae Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Inside Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	I have had two Dwarven Axes drop for me in the last month, the only two Dwarven's I've ever had. Both max purple....neither had ANY MODS AT ALL! MAX, PURPLE, CLEAN --> MERCH

Aug 30, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48	#15
Enchanted Warrior Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/Mo	Imaginary Conversation in game.. EW: WTS: Gothic Axe (not same in OP) max damage, +15%^50%, req9 15k Joe_Q_Player: Let me see it EW: By storage Joe_Q_Player: Dude it's crap it's not gold, you won't get 15k for a purple axe.. NOOB! Now, based on the conversations here, Joe_Q_Player is wrong. Color in this case is not important. (same stats in purple or gold) But most in game will say the axe is crap and junk it. Except for the few that understand game mechanics. I wonder how many weapons get scraped or sold to the merchant that are really treasures that get smeared by the stigma of weapon color?

Aug 31, 2006, 02:44 AM // 02:44	#16
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	Ok, lets clarify here. Color has NOTHING to do with the mods on a weapon, except with regards to Vampiric and Zealous which will only appear on rare drops now. Color is defined by a comparison of the basic stats of an item vs. the mob that dropped it. For example, if you found a max damage sword with zero mods, no damage bonus, no nothing except that it was 15-22 in presear, it would be a gold item as this is an incredibly non-typical drop for the presear mobs. Think of it this was, all the drops in the game are placed in a table, with different rows in the table representing increasing improvements in the general stats of the weapon, newbie weapons in row one, crystalline swords in the last row. There are more rows than there are mob levels in the game. Each mob is assigned to a row based upon it's species, location, and a few other things. This assignment defines the TYPICAL drop from that mob. However, now is when random chance comes into play, that mob could actually get an item from a row further down the list than where it sits. 1 to 2 positions out of place is an uncommon drop, 3 to 4 is a rare drop. The actual stats on the item do not matter, only how common it is for the mob you killed to have that item. Now, when Factions was released, a minor tweak was made to this system in that only rare drops can have Vampiric or Zealous mobs on them, beyond this, the actual stats are based upon the mob that dropped it and the items relative position to that mob in the table of potential drops for that mob.

Aug 31, 2006, 03:21 AM // 03:21	#17
Enchanted Warrior Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/Mo	Makes sense..

Aug 31, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25	#18
Riken Chrono Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: around the corner and up the block Guild: Hero	gold is a awesome color. purple is just meh. therefore gold tiems>purple items..... >_> <_<

Aug 31, 2006, 03:46 AM // 03:46	#19
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	I had a Ebon Great Axe 6-28 with no mods drop in the desert. For some reason, I think Ebon triggers as purple...

Aug 31, 2006, 08:52 AM // 08:52	#20
xiao1985 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005	as long as it has any magical effect it will be coloured (ie none white),... the worst mod (considered by the game) will be blue, then purple, then gold... ebon is considered as magical effect due to the earth damage part...