Curse

Hollerith · Sep 20, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by The Pointless

That -40 Armour. Not a good thing in the middle of a fight.

Same thing can be said about Frenzy.

Young Hero · Sep 20, 2006, 06:39 PM // 18:39

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Originally Posted by Nickhimself

I definitely prefer Tactics over Strength.

Bonetti's > all Str skills.

I second that

Any shield with a req of over 9str is trash.
Rarely do I have more than 9 in str att.

Thom Bangalter · Sep 20, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Please explain why heal. sig. is "rubbish".

sigh...this whole thread is utter crap, and I'm too lazy to put anything productive about how strength is pretty rubbish but most warriors should have around 9 in it, or about how heal sig is amazing, or about how frenzy is the best IAS, or that sentinel's armor is retarded, or any of the things I do in the warrior subfolder, where this should be.

Horseman Of War · Sep 20, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

as a caster (mostly) i tend to see healing signet as a good time for a spike.

healing signet is useful, and provides decent healing... as long as certain conditions arent met.

rubbish? dunno about that... but (Especially Wammos) there are some skills that can do the job much better. When it comes down to it, Heal sig is a good skill, but definately not the best.

Str shields are more universal-> but if your build is set up for tactics, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using tactics shields.

Trvth Jvstice · Sep 20, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24

There are some Really good PVE strength builds out there. Check out the "Enduring Warrior" build on guildwiki. Works great. I don't know about PVP strength builds though, as I don't care for PVP.

Thom is right though this has been discussed at length in the warrior section of the campfire.

majoho · Sep 20, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Hollerith

I don't see your point.

Strength's inherent effect is crappy (only AP's when using attack skills), so pumping up strength for something besides the skills or Sentinal's armor is not worth it.

The Sentinal's theory makes most sense to me. I assume people choose equipment based on build, but I think that's a long reach.

And what would your point be then, tactics don't have any inherent effect at all.

And btw. I never said to pick strength because of the inherent effect anyway.

Hollerith · Sep 20, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

My inherent comment wasn't directed at you, was commenting on the latest posts. Bad formatting on my part.

I don't see your point that tactics doesn't matter for WY because it's an adrenal skill.

Former Ruling · Sep 20, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Alot of PvE warriors will also want to GvG with the warrior - Where Tactics is NEVER used (beyond heal sig) and Str is always there for Bull's Strike.

Orinn · Sep 21, 2006, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff

A lot of people purchased Sentinal armor for their warriors with the release of Factions for the 100AL base. This armor requires 13 Strength to receive the full armor level. They are meeting the requirement of their armor, and putting the rest of their attribute points into their weapon rather than tactics.

Still tactics for me though!

This is the main reason I use strength-based shields: sentinel's armor and the 13 Strength requirement. I use a major atrength rune and a major weapon rune, minor tactics, so the final setup is usually 13 strength, 14 weapon, and 11 tactics (or 10 in a secondary profession attribute, like healing prayers for soloing)

healing signet and Bonetti's are both very good skills, but 116 base AL (with the shield) and 18/20 seconds where it goes to 152 AL with Dolyak's up, prevents a LOT of damage. If I'm running tactics, healing signet is perfect for use just after dolyak's, although I admit I don't use bonetti's much.

Ultimately, I'd say that strength is below par, but Sentinel's armor and Dolyak Signet combined make things a lot easier on a solo warrior, including more time to throw a healing signet if you're running tactics.

(Yes, I know, I'll get flamed for not putting my weapon to 16 and either strength or tactics to 14. I'm set up in a way that's comfortable for me, with a little less raw damage and more survivability for my playstyle. YMMV)

Lyohn S · Sep 21, 2006, 09:36 AM // 09:36

str shelds are more popular as wammos use power attack
they use mending and healing breeze for self heals so have no points left for tact

The Herbalizer · Sep 21, 2006, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

sigh...this whole thread is utter crap, and I'm too lazy to put anything productive about how strength is pretty rubbish but most warriors should have around 9 in it, or about how heal sig is amazing, or about how frenzy is the best IAS, or that sentinel's armor is retarded, or any of the things I do in the warrior subfolder, where this should be.

was just thinking that

Sep 20, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57	#24
Horseman Of War Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: The Cult of Doom Profession: P/	as a caster (mostly) i tend to see healing signet as a good time for a spike. healing signet is useful, and provides decent healing... as long as certain conditions arent met. rubbish? dunno about that... but (Especially Wammos) there are some skills that can do the job much better. When it comes down to it, Heal sig is a good skill, but definately not the best. Str shields are more universal-> but if your build is set up for tactics, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using tactics shields.

Sep 20, 2006, 07:24 PM // 19:24	#25
Trvth Jvstice Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2006 Guild: HALE Profession: W/	There are some Really good PVE strength builds out there. Check out the "Enduring Warrior" build on guildwiki. Works great. I don't know about PVP strength builds though, as I don't care for PVP. Thom is right though this has been discussed at length in the warrior section of the campfire.

Sep 20, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37	#27
Hollerith Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Sep 2005	My inherent comment wasn't directed at you, was commenting on the latest posts. Bad formatting on my part. I don't see your point that tactics doesn't matter for WY because it's an adrenal skill.

Sep 20, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46	#28
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Alot of PvE warriors will also want to GvG with the warrior - Where Tactics is NEVER used (beyond heal sig) and Str is always there for Bull's Strike.

Sep 21, 2006, 09:36 AM // 09:36	#30
Lyohn S Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Scotland Guild: How Could This Happen To [Me] Profession: W/	str shelds are more popular as wammos use power attack they use mending and healing breeze for self heals so have no points left for tact