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AquilaI · Jul 26, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

It is pretty stupid to ask for loads of expensive items, a guild is primarily meant to enhance playing experience for ALL the players, not to make the members feel victimised, while the officers get free stuff.
in my guild, we're always giving each other stuff, but A)We're all poor

and B)We all know each other outside the game

Makkert · Jul 26, 2006, 10:14 AM // 10:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowardJones

Ok I am not here to flame or get revenge, I wanted to share my guild experience with folks looking for a guild as a warning of what might happen to you.

I joined this guild in January and was there until last week. This guilds policy is not to sell to other guildies, but to give what you can. I thought that this was a good idea and have always given to guildies so I felt at home. The guild had a policy of getting the officers fissure armor, and I felt this too was justified because the officers have duties and are supposed to help their guildies accomplish things. So, the guilds policy was to ask for donations of ecto, shards and mats. Soon the guild also started asking for gold donations.

I donated many quality items, green items and mats, including dye and ecto. I always asked if anyone wanted to accompany me on my mission objectives tho I was not an officer. I rarely asked for any help and never needed items gold or mats as I am pretty self sufficient. I am also very friendly and chat with players when people are online.

So here is what I started to notice. The very few times I asked for help I got none. I was helped twice in the 6 months I was there. Instead of promoting people to officer who had been in the guild, the leader was promoting people who had just joined. The officers were always out doing a group thing and the only people really offering any help were the regular guildies. Also I started to notice people were offering their unwanted crap and anything of value was not being offered, but this i thought was normal because we all need money.

So factions comes out and I find three perfect weapons for warrior. I do not have a warrior so I figured hey I can sell these and buy all the skills to unlock for pvp. I asked my leader how much he thought they would be worth and he immediately asks me for the perfect 15>50 celestial axe. I say to him "Dont you already have a 15>50?" To which he got quiet and then said "Yeah I do but I want that one because they look cool". I was hesitant to give him the axe because this seemed like a matter of greed and not charity. I told him I didnt think he needed it and then suddenly in the guild hall someone said I need an axe anyone got one? and the leader said "he needs an axe, give him yours". I am pretty sure he set this up so I would have to give over the axe to prove my loyalty to the guild, and so I gave over the axe against my better judgement.

A few days went by and I donated more rare mats, dye and weapons. It seemed that everytime I said I found something good one of the officers was asking for it for free.

I started doing Urgoz and it was time consuming for me. I always asked if anyone wanted to join me but never got any replies. Finally after a week I made it through Urgoz and got the short bow, to which I excitedly told the guild that I finally farmed something worth getting. I was immediately asked if I would give over the short bow. I said that I needed money for skills and was told that if I "donated" the bow that they would give me 25k. I said "I thought we didnt sell to guildies?" they said the treasury is there for us to use. I said "What about when I see people asking for things you all flame them and then boot them out for asking for stuff?" He said that was newer players not someone who has been loyal and been around for awhile. I said I had to think about it, that it took so long to get that I didnt want to give it away.

The next day I was summoned to the guild hall for a conferrence with the leader and the officer that had asked for my short bow. I was told that I seemed to have issues with guild policy and that my ideals didnt match that of the guild. I was told that I was not helpfull enough, and that I only did Urgoz and not helped anyone get anywhere. I said I was not an officer and that I shouldnt be held to those standards anyway. I said I got a little obsessed with beating Urgoz and was moving on. They insisted that I did not fit into the guild. I said "Youve got someone who donates items and mats and when he can, his time.... so where is the problem?" I said "Why dont you admit the real reason why you are coming down on me?" I confronted them about the bow and they said "If we got the bow we would immediately ask if anyone wanted it", which I know is a lie because the leader is always saying he wants those bows. Finally the leader said "You dont fit in here I think you should leave". And they booted me from the guild.

So that is how I got snookered out of abour 250k and was left guildless. Be carefull of guilds asking for "donations".

Dude....
I mean...DUDE....

you got screwed. they practicly demanded it of you, and you got squat in return.
I would have left the guild sooner if I were you... You have been to generous, and a bit too gullible I'm afraid.

I hope your next guild will be a better experience for you.

M1h4iL · Jul 26, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Why join a guild to grind your self, not enjoy your self and be "used"? The whole point of GW and being in a guild is to have fun, not working for someone...bl to OP, try joining a guild with more mature people, not 13 yr olds :/

Mighty Warrior · Jul 28, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02

lol want to join my guild

..... jk, but seriously no donations, no banks, no buying armour for officers (unless you want to). Gvg EVERY day at 12 noon east. you can contact me ( jamie is king) or my guild leader ( wargod of peace). I been with them since december and they are good poeple.

Seban Anu · Jul 28, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Ah, I'm sorry for your experience.

Personally I've never given away anything expensive in gw, and I have very good friends on the game I'd trust with my entire account. If you end up getting payed a fourth of what something is worth when selling to another guildie.. not good, in my opinion. Guildie item transactions should be either a fair trade on both ends or a gift, and a gift soley because you want to give that person a gift, not because its a policy. (edit: Maybe not literally, I suppose. Each situation is different in some way but from your post it doesnt seem l ike any of your guildies were at all 'friends' of yours, but something like coworkers who were asking you to write their reports.) Feeling preassured to give something that you worked for by people who mooch off virtual positions of 'power' in guilds is ridiculous. Being told you need to contribute to something like fissure armor, which is.. aside from simply showing off, an example of how much *that player* worked for something for *his character,* is nothing more than paying a fee to stay in a guild full of people whos only interest in you is your farming capabilities. My advice: make some friends. Whatever it is you like to do in gw; goof off in outposts showing off your armor, farming fissure/urgoz/whatever; make some friends who do the same. Hang out with them for awhile before you join their guild. And when/if they tell you to hand over your bow, tell them to get their own and start making new friends. .. or go guildless, because everyone is a little bit nicer to guildless people.

edit: LOL, I read some post on the first page.. Females are less evil ;D Im a girl. I've taken things from something like guild wars sugar daddies before. I think, in a way, that makes me more evil.

Kendar Muert · Aug 06, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44

The first post was overwhelmingly depressing... My guild has only asked for ANY type of donations once, and it wasnt mandatory, and it wansnt a large amount. this was so we could afford to get all the upgrades in the hall, which we bought the zunlai and priest, and then the rest were bought by a single private member, which our guild is grateful for, but we would NEVER ask anything of anyone if they are not willing to give it. I give weapons to members i know wont leave, and help the newer guildies with small amounts of mats and cash, and with various pve and pvp things.

Kuja · Aug 06, 2006, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Sounds like a Guild Fraternity...

IrishCatholicNewYorker · Aug 07, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

Your story digust me and I'm sorry that greedy guild kicked you... but would you really wanna be in it any more? I am a officer in our Guild our leader expects the officers to help the members not the other way arpund and thats the way it should be. Just because your guildies doesn't mean you have to give up things you want, it means if someone needs somthing that u CAN help them with to help them.

zadieyek of gyre · Aug 07, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

hehe hello all,
this is my first post so bear with and its late so...

well i am sad by all the negative reports but truth is theres good and bad.

My story , i was a leader who had a good guild , we started when the game was launched and being new to internet play well it caused me pain n heartache and good things too.

A group of ppl met and well we scraped the cash to get the cape and then we grew.

Im female , a rareity in them days more than today and i was kinda voted leader, it was a democracy based on trust n honesty n friendship and we all shared n shared alike. when it was smaller it was alot easier to help with items and missions, but we made a storage system later and accepted donations. funnily enough only the officers kinda gave at first but then some members too as we shared regardless of rank.

Unlike alot of guilds today we were just a bunch of friends (none of us in rl just on gw, at first anyways) , who had a good laugh, some good , some worse. ie me lol after 1 year i finally finished the last mission erm yesterday and still have 2 bonuses to do.

i also only have 1 charr with citadel armour and im skint(5k across all charrs now

as i only got it last week. this is due to the fact that i give away alot and i hoarde items for the guild. If i count how much i really spent on ppl well i'd get bored way b4 i'd any inclinking so i won't.

Unfortunatly bad players can be leaders, officers or members. I had a large dose of it and it split our guild apart, people can be mean and very selfish , and power hungry on here. Which seemed a good enough reason to take pot shots at me, i could've defended myself but truth is it hurt. All the lies, and whispers , so then they say its just a game , but then aren't we behind the screen real with real feelings?

I let my guild die, instead of stooping to that and tried another but i'd kinda lost the drive, now im very happy in my old officers guild and most of the origional group are still here, some in this guild n some in another, but were still mates n we still play as we always did.

Im writing this to say, that no matter what the pain n believe me it got bad, i wouldn't go back , i wouldn't change a thing. There will always be bad players, and its easy to see how many there really are, as everytime i give away items, the shocked reaction i get. But i still give away stuff, runes n weapons n cash. Im not stupid but if im having a laugh with someone for 10 mins and i just got a rune thats only worth 2-300g or so why not

and these people i usually never see again

i give away greens n golds n alsorts to my friends (in other guilds too) but i chose to do it and the reward i get , well im never lonely, theres always ppl to play with n help me , which in my book is as much fun as helping them

So my last comment is good luck to those in guild n those who aren't, but if you ever wanna laugh, or need a hand or need your faith in friendly players reconfirmed whisper me n lets go for a bash

Saphatorael · Aug 07, 2006, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Sometimes it's just best to keep your mouth shut about certain items you've obtained... i've been scolled at, threatened and blackmailed when i mentioned my 15^50 chaos axe (back when 15^50 drops were very rare) or similar items, but not by guildies though... it was another guild who i teamed up with occasionally. Well... not anymore, anyways, after that guild's leader decided not to give my items back.
I DO help guildies, but if they're too pushy, i'd prefer giving it to a quiet, but friendly guildie... i know what most people have and don't have, so i give my stuff to people who i think need it most.

Some people tend to get arrogant when they're leader... when i was leader in my own guild back then, i tried to diminish the differences between officers and normal guildies, such as letting the normal guildies change the cape every now and then, and you'll never see me asking for donations. The officers bought a new guild hall and it's npc's with their own gold.

Atm i'm guildless though, but it's my own choice... i know that i'll always be welcome with them, but i decided to take some time off the guild things... i suggest you do too: take your time, focus on your own chars, be selfish for a change

FalconDance · Aug 07, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

WoW. I mean, I knew there were bad guilds (just like bad people) but....wow.

Our guild is itty bitty, as in a whopping 6 people. And since Factions came out, there's hardly more than one on at any given time (it's usually me, too). But when we are on "in number", the guildmistress and I check to see how everyone's doing, if anyone needs anything, etc. Our latest member joined us simply because the gm and I backtracked for no reason except to help him out at Shing Jea and then scrounged the mats he needed for better armor. He tried to pay us but we told him that since we were playing casters, it behooved us to have our protector warrior better suited

. After we had done several quests and talked quite a bit, he asked to join. Since then, we've quested a few times but real life keeps interfering and we keep missing each other.

For me, that's what a guild should do --- help all the members if possible, be it with quests, missions, materials, extra weaponry (any gold changing hands is between members themselves). And that means all members help all members, NOT free hand-outs at the orders of the leader or officers. I've given weapons and such to people outside the guild when I noticed they were hurting for gold and wielded something not-very-good (and I had a spare) or asked the guildies what they were looking for so I could keep my eyes open. Our gm gives a modest "guild bonus" of gold periodically to members.

But sadly, too many expect free greens, free runs everywhere and showers of gold just because they're show up with their hands out.

callumevans324 · Aug 07, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by M1h4iL

Why join a guild to grind your self, not enjoy your self and be "used"? The whole point of GW and being in a guild is to have fun, not working for someone...bl to OP, try joining a guild with more mature people, not 13 yr olds :/

-.- what is wrong with been 13 years old??

I'm 13, leader of a guild thats won guild of the week in the past, top that, lol, i mean for a 13 yr old neway

Stockholm · Aug 07, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by callumevans324

-.- what is wrong with been 13 years old??

I'm 13, leader of a guild thats won guild of the week in the past, top that, lol, i mean for a 13 yr old neway

There is allways exeptions, and you know you are one

so you also know what ppl mean when they talk about the average 13 year old's

leela · Aug 11, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Wow.

Just goes to show you have to be careful.

I joined a guild about a month ago after leaving a previous guild for personal reasons. Soon after I was promoted to officer. Our guild really has no policies, but as an officer I like to try to help the other members. In fact, just last night we were discussing the fact that we needed a merchant for our hall. (yeah, we don't have much yet). I was planning on saving up to get the merchant myself, but the members surprised me by offering to pitch in. When a member wants to give something away, it's up to them whether they ask for a trade or not.

Getting taken to the hall for a 'conference'??? That's just plain nuts.

Lexior · Aug 13, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

I've been in PvE guilds but never saw this happening im like O.o. That's why now i prefer and love PvP guilds. One single goal of the guild fame and rank!

kratic · Aug 14, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

lol MrScary... you havnt dated around have you? Girls can be worse then guys. A LOT worse. Most are not but you shouldnt trust people until you become friends with them.

Being an officer in my guild we give items to our guildies when they need and when we can. They also ask for help for missions and what not which if we are available we help them. Most of the time though if we are online playing Guild Wars we are already busy doing something else and cannot help them with a mission or whatnot. We also get the guys who once they first join ask immediatly for items, gold, wanting to be an officer, wanting admin on TS and other things which we warn them and tell them the basic rules of the guild; most stay, but some leave (who seem to be "gold diggers" most of the time).

Mera Regila · Aug 20, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53

Dang... this is why you don't give away items, even to guildies. If you have a new guild, they make you give them things, you should know at this point something is wrong. I'm sorry but I don't have much pity for you, you LET them scam you out of over 250k, giving away so much to a guild you hardly knew. Not giving anything away no matter what is a good philosophy, the guild leader booted you out because they were using you all along to scam money out of you.

Nobody who "needs an axe" should be given a perfect one, rather, a max one with any kind of mods would be enough. GL with guilds in the future.

Rera · Aug 21, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Frankly, I'm surprised that you could put up with that treatment for so long. I would have dropped the guild the moment anybody asked me for 'donations'. Any 'guild' that requires item 'donations' - particularly high-end, rare-skin weapons - is a scam, not a guild. Never do monetary donations - invest *time* in your guildmates, not *money*.

As for females being better guild leaders than males - remember than many women gamers are attention w****s, control freaks, and just b****es in general. They might not have the same personality problems as male gamers, but they do have just as many problems.

Gigashadow · Aug 21, 2006, 08:06 PM // 20:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by callumevans324

-.- what is wrong with been 13 years old??

I'm 13, leader of a guild thats won guild of the week in the past, top that, lol, i mean for a 13 yr old neway

The problem is not with the exceptional 13 year olds, it's with the 95% case. It's really not taking the chance with one when the odds are so against you.

Linksys · Sep 08, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

Well there's a lot to read and I may get to it. But I read the original post and I'll reply to that. I'm glad you're out of that guild. A guild like that is never worth playing. People should never be pressured into giving items or anything like that.

The last guild I was in, the leader was genuinely nice. He said he wanted to pay for the guild hall things like the merchant and material traders and such. But he also repeatedly asked us to donate gold for it in a kind of passive way. In real life you can recognize this as someone acting like it's not a big deal if you don't comply with their request, but also making you feel bad unless you comply. When I was in this guild, I saved up for a Kuunavang minipet anyways, which was for myself, and so what.

This is one of the reasons why I'm not in a real guild. Another is because the guild thing seems to build this sense of obligation and people going further than they want to in something they're not comfortable with to avoid disappointing others. Or to avoid a situation like quitting a guild and the leader private messaging them asking them why.

Not sure what the solution to this would be, on a massive scale all across GW. But certain things like this occur enough in real life. I don't need it in a computer game.

Jul 28, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34	#85
Seban Anu Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2005	Ah, I'm sorry for your experience. Personally I've never given away anything expensive in gw, and I have very good friends on the game I'd trust with my entire account. If you end up getting payed a fourth of what something is worth when selling to another guildie.. not good, in my opinion. Guildie item transactions should be either a fair trade on both ends or a gift, and a gift soley because you want to give that person a gift, not because its a policy. (edit: Maybe not literally, I suppose. Each situation is different in some way but from your post it doesnt seem l ike any of your guildies were at all 'friends' of yours, but something like coworkers who were asking you to write their reports.) Feeling preassured to give something that you worked for by people who mooch off virtual positions of 'power' in guilds is ridiculous. Being told you need to contribute to something like fissure armor, which is.. aside from simply showing off, an example of how much that player worked for something for his character, is nothing more than paying a fee to stay in a guild full of people whos only interest in you is your farming capabilities. My advice: make some friends. Whatever it is you like to do in gw; goof off in outposts showing off your armor, farming fissure/urgoz/whatever; make some friends who do the same. Hang out with them for awhile before you join their guild. And when/if they tell you to hand over your bow, tell them to get their own and start making new friends. .. or go guildless, because everyone is a little bit nicer to guildless people. edit: LOL, I read some post on the first page.. Females are less evil ;D Im a girl. I've taken things from something like guild wars sugar daddies before. I think, in a way, that makes me more evil. Last edited by Seban Anu; Jul 28, 2006 at 03:00 AM // 03:00..

Aug 07, 2006, 10:03 AM // 10:03	#90
Saphatorael Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium	Sometimes it's just best to keep your mouth shut about certain items you've obtained... i've been scolled at, threatened and blackmailed when i mentioned my 15^50 chaos axe (back when 15^50 drops were very rare) or similar items, but not by guildies though... it was another guild who i teamed up with occasionally. Well... not anymore, anyways, after that guild's leader decided not to give my items back. I DO help guildies, but if they're too pushy, i'd prefer giving it to a quiet, but friendly guildie... i know what most people have and don't have, so i give my stuff to people who i think need it most. Some people tend to get arrogant when they're leader... when i was leader in my own guild back then, i tried to diminish the differences between officers and normal guildies, such as letting the normal guildies change the cape every now and then, and you'll never see me asking for donations. The officers bought a new guild hall and it's npc's with their own gold. Atm i'm guildless though, but it's my own choice... i know that i'll always be welcome with them, but i decided to take some time off the guild things... i suggest you do too: take your time, focus on your own chars, be selfish for a change Last edited by Saphatorael; Aug 07, 2006 at 10:11 AM // 10:11..

Jul 26, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33	#81
AquilaI Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lancaster- northern England old chap! Guild: Warriors Of The Flaming Fist [WFF] Profession: R/N	It is pretty stupid to ask for loads of expensive items, a guild is primarily meant to enhance playing experience for ALL the players, not to make the members feel victimised, while the officers get free stuff. in my guild, we're always giving each other stuff, but A)We're all poor and B)We all know each other outside the game

Jul 26, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48	#83
M1h4iL Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Perth, Australia	Why join a guild to grind your self, not enjoy your self and be "used"? The whole point of GW and being in a guild is to have fun, not working for someone...bl to OP, try joining a guild with more mature people, not 13 yr olds :/

Jul 28, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02	#84
Mighty Warrior Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Primal Assassins Profession: W/Mo	lol want to join my guild ..... jk, but seriously no donations, no banks, no buying armour for officers (unless you want to). Gvg EVERY day at 12 noon east. you can contact me ( jamie is king) or my guild leader ( wargod of peace). I been with them since december and they are good poeple.

Aug 06, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44	#86
Kendar Muert Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Texas Profession: E/	The first post was overwhelmingly depressing... My guild has only asked for ANY type of donations once, and it wasnt mandatory, and it wansnt a large amount. this was so we could afford to get all the upgrades in the hall, which we bought the zunlai and priest, and then the rest were bought by a single private member, which our guild is grateful for, but we would NEVER ask anything of anyone if they are not willing to give it. I give weapons to members i know wont leave, and help the newer guildies with small amounts of mats and cash, and with various pve and pvp things.

Aug 06, 2006, 06:45 AM // 06:45	#87
Kuja Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: MA Guild: Kame Profession: Mo/W	Sounds like a Guild Fraternity...

Aug 07, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41	#88
IrishCatholicNewYorker Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: FL (from Long Island NY) Guild: Rage Against The Dying [RAGE] Profession: Me/W	Your story digust me and I'm sorry that greedy guild kicked you... but would you really wanna be in it any more? I am a officer in our Guild our leader expects the officers to help the members not the other way arpund and thats the way it should be. Just because your guildies doesn't mean you have to give up things you want, it means if someone needs somthing that u CAN help them with to help them.

Aug 07, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27	#89
zadieyek of gyre Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2006 Profession: W/Mo	hehe hello all, this is my first post so bear with and its late so... well i am sad by all the negative reports but truth is theres good and bad. My story , i was a leader who had a good guild , we started when the game was launched and being new to internet play well it caused me pain n heartache and good things too. A group of ppl met and well we scraped the cash to get the cape and then we grew. Im female , a rareity in them days more than today and i was kinda voted leader, it was a democracy based on trust n honesty n friendship and we all shared n shared alike. when it was smaller it was alot easier to help with items and missions, but we made a storage system later and accepted donations. funnily enough only the officers kinda gave at first but then some members too as we shared regardless of rank. Unlike alot of guilds today we were just a bunch of friends (none of us in rl just on gw, at first anyways) , who had a good laugh, some good , some worse. ie me lol after 1 year i finally finished the last mission erm yesterday and still have 2 bonuses to do. i also only have 1 charr with citadel armour and im skint(5k across all charrs now as i only got it last week. this is due to the fact that i give away alot and i hoarde items for the guild. If i count how much i really spent on ppl well i'd get bored way b4 i'd any inclinking so i won't. Unfortunatly bad players can be leaders, officers or members. I had a large dose of it and it split our guild apart, people can be mean and very selfish , and power hungry on here. Which seemed a good enough reason to take pot shots at me, i could've defended myself but truth is it hurt. All the lies, and whispers , so then they say its just a game , but then aren't we behind the screen real with real feelings? I let my guild die, instead of stooping to that and tried another but i'd kinda lost the drive, now im very happy in my old officers guild and most of the origional group are still here, some in this guild n some in another, but were still mates n we still play as we always did. Im writing this to say, that no matter what the pain n believe me it got bad, i wouldn't go back , i wouldn't change a thing. There will always be bad players, and its easy to see how many there really are, as everytime i give away items, the shocked reaction i get. But i still give away stuff, runes n weapons n cash. Im not stupid but if im having a laugh with someone for 10 mins and i just got a rune thats only worth 2-300g or so why not and these people i usually never see again i give away greens n golds n alsorts to my friends (in other guilds too) but i chose to do it and the reward i get , well im never lonely, theres always ppl to play with n help me , which in my book is as much fun as helping them So my last comment is good luck to those in guild n those who aren't, but if you ever wanna laugh, or need a hand or need your faith in friendly players reconfirmed whisper me n lets go for a bash

Aug 07, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47	#91
FalconDance Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: ...deep within the sylvan splendor... Guild: Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]	WoW. I mean, I knew there were bad guilds (just like bad people) but....wow. Our guild is itty bitty, as in a whopping 6 people. And since Factions came out, there's hardly more than one on at any given time (it's usually me, too). But when we are on "in number", the guildmistress and I check to see how everyone's doing, if anyone needs anything, etc. Our latest member joined us simply because the gm and I backtracked for no reason except to help him out at Shing Jea and then scrounged the mats he needed for better armor. He tried to pay us but we told him that since we were playing casters, it behooved us to have our protector warrior better suited . After we had done several quests and talked quite a bit, he asked to join. Since then, we've quested a few times but real life keeps interfering and we keep missing each other. For me, that's what a guild should do --- help all the members if possible, be it with quests, missions, materials, extra weaponry (any gold changing hands is between members themselves). And that means all members help all members, NOT free hand-outs at the orders of the leader or officers. I've given weapons and such to people outside the guild when I noticed they were hurting for gold and wielded something not-very-good (and I had a spare) or asked the guildies what they were looking for so I could keep my eyes open. Our gm gives a modest "guild bonus" of gold periodically to members. But sadly, too many expect free greens, free runs everywhere and showers of gold just because they're show up with their hands out.

Aug 11, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40	#94
leela Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Troublesome Unit [UNIT] Profession: Rt/Me	Wow. Just goes to show you have to be careful. I joined a guild about a month ago after leaving a previous guild for personal reasons. Soon after I was promoted to officer. Our guild really has no policies, but as an officer I like to try to help the other members. In fact, just last night we were discussing the fact that we needed a merchant for our hall. (yeah, we don't have much yet). I was planning on saving up to get the merchant myself, but the members surprised me by offering to pitch in. When a member wants to give something away, it's up to them whether they ask for a trade or not. Getting taken to the hall for a 'conference'??? That's just plain nuts.

Aug 13, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43	#95
Lexior Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Lexior's Crib Guild: Prof Gai Married Mhenlo [YaY]	I've been in PvE guilds but never saw this happening im like O.o. That's why now i prefer and love PvP guilds. One single goal of the guild fame and rank!

Aug 14, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53	#96
kratic Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida Guild: Sole Asylum [SA] Profession: Mo/	lol MrScary... you havnt dated around have you? Girls can be worse then guys. A LOT worse. Most are not but you shouldnt trust people until you become friends with them. Being an officer in my guild we give items to our guildies when they need and when we can. They also ask for help for missions and what not which if we are available we help them. Most of the time though if we are online playing Guild Wars we are already busy doing something else and cannot help them with a mission or whatnot. We also get the guys who once they first join ask immediatly for items, gold, wanting to be an officer, wanting admin on TS and other things which we warn them and tell them the basic rules of the guild; most stay, but some leave (who seem to be "gold diggers" most of the time).

Aug 20, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53	#97
Mera Regila Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In The Deep Profession: R/A	Dang... this is why you don't give away items, even to guildies. If you have a new guild, they make you give them things, you should know at this point something is wrong. I'm sorry but I don't have much pity for you, you LET them scam you out of over 250k, giving away so much to a guild you hardly knew. Not giving anything away no matter what is a good philosophy, the guild leader booted you out because they were using you all along to scam money out of you. Nobody who "needs an axe" should be given a perfect one, rather, a max one with any kind of mods would be enough. GL with guilds in the future.

Aug 21, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46	#98
Rera Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006	Frankly, I'm surprised that you could put up with that treatment for so long. I would have dropped the guild the moment anybody asked me for 'donations'. Any 'guild' that requires item 'donations' - particularly high-end, rare-skin weapons - is a scam, not a guild. Never do monetary donations - invest time in your guildmates, not money. As for females being better guild leaders than males - remember than many women gamers are attention w**s, control freaks, and just b**es in general. They might not have the same personality problems as male gamers, but they do have just as many problems.

Sep 08, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12	#100
Linksys Jungle Guide Join Date: Apr 2006	Well there's a lot to read and I may get to it. But I read the original post and I'll reply to that. I'm glad you're out of that guild. A guild like that is never worth playing. People should never be pressured into giving items or anything like that. The last guild I was in, the leader was genuinely nice. He said he wanted to pay for the guild hall things like the merchant and material traders and such. But he also repeatedly asked us to donate gold for it in a kind of passive way. In real life you can recognize this as someone acting like it's not a big deal if you don't comply with their request, but also making you feel bad unless you comply. When I was in this guild, I saved up for a Kuunavang minipet anyways, which was for myself, and so what. This is one of the reasons why I'm not in a real guild. Another is because the guild thing seems to build this sense of obligation and people going further than they want to in something they're not comfortable with to avoid disappointing others. Or to avoid a situation like quitting a guild and the leader private messaging them asking them why. Not sure what the solution to this would be, on a massive scale all across GW. But certain things like this occur enough in real life. I don't need it in a computer game.