A bad experience with a guild *warning to other players* - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

fiery · Jun 21, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Talk about greedy, this is why I go into more PVP oriented guilds that PVE. Even though I PVE, some guilds as you just joined was powered by corrupted guild leader and maybe the officiers were friends of him in real life. To give officiers FOW armor is just wow, I mean that's worst than EBAYING the armor, but to receive donations from guildies, is just wow.

What was the age group? I mean I wouldn't doubt older people doing this, but was it a younger aged group, where all they wanted was kewl items and take everything for themself?

Female guild leaders are not the always the more friendly than a male guild leader. It's like saying a female is less likely to rape someone than a male, it's about the same. True a female guild leader can be friendly and more kind. But if friends with the male guild leader stronger bond. If a guild asked for this much to you, with nothing in return, LEAVE, and don't have regret. You helped them so much, with nothing in return.

Hoyt · Jun 21, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

It seems to me that the OP was simply being a good member of a bad guild. He acted in good faith & he did question the whole situation when it became obvious that it was shady. And...he was booted for it. Better to have been him than the twerps that done done him wrong, yup.

In the words of the OP's name sake:

We're not scared to lose it all
Security throw through the wall
Future dreams we have to realize
A thousand skeptic hands
Won't keep us from the things we plan
Unless we're clinging to the things we prize

Misc Merik · Jun 21, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Yeah reading that story made me think wow I would of been booted on the first instance of them asking for ecto ect. Im a self sufficient person too and just like you want to fit in as a good member/officer of my guild, but though I like the guild Im with Ive made it clear to them that unless they truly need something dont expect any charity from me. I show up for gvg, help members with missions, do other ect things so its not like I hate these people. This story just made me think the nerve of some people to play the emotions of other people like they were with you. If you think they werent realize you gave them materials,gold, and weapons you went out of your way to get and they conned it out of you playing the guilt you wanna be a good member card.

*offtopic* your title made me think the opposite you were leaving because they werent bending over backwards to give you the leet uber weapons.

HowardJones · Jun 22, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

I stayed in this guild mostly from nostalgia. See, I had been in this really cool guild for a long time and made lots of friends, but eventually it became sort of corrupt and everyone quit. I stopped playing for a few months and when i came back to the game an old guildie whispered me about this great new guild that everyone joined, so I joined it. Anyway it WAS a cool guild but eventually people started leaving because of bad experiences and I was just too stupid to notice. I figured the guild was still ok tho and stuck around. I had actually been thinking of leaving when I was asked to donate the 15>50 celestial axe req 9 but hadnt quite commited to the idea. When they started harrasing me for the Urgoz bow I knew it was time to go.

I feel badly for the other people in the guild still, and the new players, because they talk a good game about peace love and bortherhood.

The leader is about 32 I think. He is married with kids and is always going thru some sort of health problem, which draws everyones sympathy and loyalty.

The TS password was actually "One in Christ", thats how supposedly faithfull they are.

Oh and the GL was male.

BeowulfKamdas · Jun 22, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56

this thread made me feel sorry for a lot of people and angry at a few people

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jun 22, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26

In this case I would have to advise mob justice enacted upon your ex-guild. Mob justice FTW.

Tigers · Jun 23, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Wow is that how PvE guilds are? I mean if I was in a PvE guild like that I would leave immediately and plus them asking you for things and not getting any help back? why did you give them a perfect 15^50 axe which you couldve gotten like lots for it? why would you join a guild with a stupid rule on getting the officers there stuff while they just sit and drink lemonade all day waiting for the members which was you considered a slave get thigns for them? Heres a tiop never join or stay in a guild that begs like that -.- those are people you shouldnt be with if they ask to buy soemthing form you its fine but if they demand for those things then leave if they threaten to kick you then leave before you do -.- You couldve had Fissure armor yourself instead of those retarded Officers? why Feed them with suck great items -.-

Forbes · Jun 23, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Tigers

Wow is that how PvE guilds are? I mean if I was in a PvE guild like that I would leave immediately and plus them asking you for things and not getting any help back? why did you give them a perfect 15^50 axe which you couldve gotten like lots for it? why would you join a guild with a stupid rule on getting the officers there stuff while they just sit and drink lemonade all day waiting for the members which was you considered a slave get thigns for them? Heres a tiop never join or stay in a guild that begs like that -.- those are people you shouldnt be with if they ask to buy soemthing form you its fine but if they demand for those things then leave if they threaten to kick you then leave before you do -.- You couldve had Fissure armor yourself instead of those retarded Officers? why Feed them with suck great items -.-

I can guarantee all PvE guilds are not like that. MINE is definitely not. I have no idea why one would stay in a guild like that. It's actually kind of pathetic that a leader and his officers would act like that. It sounds more like a cult than a guild.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jun 23, 2006, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forbes

I can guarantee all PvE guilds are not like that. MINE is definitely not. I have no idea why one would stay in a guild like that. It's actually kind of pathetic that a leader and his officers would act like that. It sounds more like a cult than a guild.

Hmmm... a cult you say. *Rushes off to make a new cult... I mean guild*

HowardJones · Jun 23, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Well, the idea is that if you stick around long enough and help, that you get rewarded with a promotion and fissure armor. Tho I had been there for 6 months no one ever approached me with a promotion, so it probably doesnt hold true....

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jun 23, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowardJones

Well, the idea is that if you stick around long enough and help, that you get rewarded with a promotion and fissure armor. Tho I had been there for 6 months no one ever approached me with a promotion, so it probably doesnt hold true....

Ah, that makes a bit more sense.

Eviance · Jun 27, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

*sighs* Unfortunately for you these things happen. It really does suck. Our guild has a semilar policy but it doesn't include rare, hard to get items and we NEVER ask for gold donations! We store materials of all sorts EXCEPT ecto and shards or other really hard to get materials. We let the guild know that they are welcome to contribute to storage but it is NOT demanded in any way. However if we have a guildie who has done nothing to contribute at all with his time, materials, or any such help we ask that he pays the minimum when taking materials or that he promptly recover anything that he may need.

We take all dyes except black! If storage gets too full we sell off some of it (this is how many of our guild halls NPCs were aquired). The difference is that many of our guildies we have known for a long time, even if not in real life. Yes a lot of times the officers will be off doing something as a group and unable or reluctant to help. Mostly cause we are burnt out bigtime!

We've had a few new moochers. We request that whoever brough the moocher to our door pay for any losses whenever they can and to be more cautious next time. (Once that was me and I paid the biggest fee -_- for my blunder!) Never ever EVER should a guild FORCE you to be that way. Giving should be of your own accord!

We always help the low lvls but we request that they attempt it several times on their own the first time through before we assist in any way shape or form. We just had a guy who is the brother of a long time member ask for 10k, it was given and the leader said: Pay me back whenever you are able.
Guy: What if I don't >_>
Me: *bells whistles and a million signals go off*
Leader: You will be able to eventually, so don't worry.
Guy: Ok!

....This says to me that the guy has no intentions of paying off the debt and its counted as a loss but also a wait and see. He's new and his brother is a good guy we've known for a while, so if nothing else his brother might make up some of the cost even if he shouldn't have to.

If you are new in any way it should be the guild helping you, but not showering you with gifts.

Again I am sorry this happened to you but its not unheard of. Any guild that requires you pay your way in or offers you officer status from the start is also not the best one to go into. They either have a scam running or you can bet the guild will go bust after a few weeks possibly as long as 2mths.
Better luck next time hun!

(And for the record, I am a female and my husband is our guild leader - I am in charge of communications and damage control if something goes amiss >_>)

Yanman.be · Jun 29, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33

*Jaw drops* It's rather obvious the officers are abusing their position...

You should try and reflect on them by showing how you feel in your position. And.. WHY did you even tell you got a good drop, if you know you have to give it away!

Lykan · Jun 29, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

To the OP.
Im sorry but i read your post in disbelief that someone would want to be a part of a guild where the leader and officers are treated like some godlike figures, giving them greens and gold weapons just because they "think they are cool". You should have left that guild the minute they started asking for donations for ecto (also unbelieveble). If they want fissure let em get it themselves.
No one in Guild Wars is more important than anyone else (except Gaile maybe xD ) and I would not treat anyone as if they are.
I hope you learn from this.

frickaline · Jun 29, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Holy crap what a lame guild ... my guild would never do anything like that so you should know that there are plenty of decent guilds with decent folk out there.

sasquatch · Jun 30, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

in OUR guild, everyone helps everyone, anyone who wants to donates to the guild funds to buy all the NPC's for the hall (only 2 left), we PvP and PvE, we all sell and buy from each other we just dont rip each other off and we usually give each other discounts and we help newer guildies out by loaning or giving them money. Our guild leader is a guy to.

Stixxx · Jun 30, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Thats really screwed -.-
I think that, no matter the guilds policy, you are still the one in charge over your drops and items. So if they want you to donate, u should be deciding yes or no, and what you'll be giving.
I've been a guild leader, and i never asked for anything, exept for an occasional helping hand. I dont understand that some guilds make it a "rule" to donate stuff!

If they want money, go farm then!

master_of_puppets · Jun 30, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowardJones

Well, the idea is that if you stick around long enough and help, that you get rewarded with a promotion and fissure armor. Tho I had been there for 6 months no one ever approached me with a promotion, so it probably doesnt hold true....

Except that Fissure armor is not a reward...

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jun 30, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

I could see the officers getting 15k armor in a PvE guild, perhaps, but FoW armor? It's expensive as hell and far uglier. What it should be is a status symbol, but of course eBayers ruin that. Anyways, good luck on your future endeavors, and I hope this nonsense never happens to anyone.

Edge Martinez · Jul 01, 2006, 04:55 AM // 04:55

Wow. I just read the first couple replies to the first post. Reading that first post made me sick. Good luck finding a better guild man. There are many benefits to joining a good one, but they aren't always apparent. Also, people you know irl are much less likely to screw you over. Finally, your style of play seems to generate great profits. I'd really suggest donating materials and cash if you can afford it, but keeping anything good you may find and selling it. I definitely would not broadcast it if you don't know the people. The most expensive thing my guild asks for is collector drops like Avicara scalps and thorny carapaces and such, so when someone needs a perfect item, we can get them a collectors one.

Jun 21, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33	#21
fiery Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: maryland Guild: InYurFace Gaming [IYF] Profession: R/	Talk about greedy, this is why I go into more PVP oriented guilds that PVE. Even though I PVE, some guilds as you just joined was powered by corrupted guild leader and maybe the officiers were friends of him in real life. To give officiers FOW armor is just wow, I mean that's worst than EBAYING the armor, but to receive donations from guildies, is just wow. What was the age group? I mean I wouldn't doubt older people doing this, but was it a younger aged group, where all they wanted was kewl items and take everything for themself? Female guild leaders are not the always the more friendly than a male guild leader. It's like saying a female is less likely to rape someone than a male, it's about the same. True a female guild leader can be friendly and more kind. But if friends with the male guild leader stronger bond. If a guild asked for this much to you, with nothing in return, LEAVE, and don't have regret. You helped them so much, with nothing in return. Last edited by fiery; Jun 21, 2006 at 07:37 PM // 19:37..

Jun 21, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13	#22
Hoyt Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: VA,USA...for now.	Things can only get better It seems to me that the OP was simply being a good member of a bad guild. He acted in good faith & he did question the whole situation when it became obvious that it was shady. And...he was booted for it. Better to have been him than the twerps that done done him wrong, yup. In the words of the OP's name sake: We're not scared to lose it all Security throw through the wall Future dreams we have to realize A thousand skeptic hands Won't keep us from the things we plan Unless we're clinging to the things we prize

Jun 27, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45	#32
Eviance Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eh I forget... o_O Guild: Biscuit of Dewm [MEEP] Profession: R/	sighs Unfortunately for you these things happen. It really does suck. Our guild has a semilar policy but it doesn't include rare, hard to get items and we NEVER ask for gold donations! We store materials of all sorts EXCEPT ecto and shards or other really hard to get materials. We let the guild know that they are welcome to contribute to storage but it is NOT demanded in any way. However if we have a guildie who has done nothing to contribute at all with his time, materials, or any such help we ask that he pays the minimum when taking materials or that he promptly recover anything that he may need. We take all dyes except black! If storage gets too full we sell off some of it (this is how many of our guild halls NPCs were aquired). The difference is that many of our guildies we have known for a long time, even if not in real life. Yes a lot of times the officers will be off doing something as a group and unable or reluctant to help. Mostly cause we are burnt out bigtime! We've had a few new moochers. We request that whoever brough the moocher to our door pay for any losses whenever they can and to be more cautious next time. (Once that was me and I paid the biggest fee -_- for my blunder!) Never ever EVER should a guild FORCE you to be that way. Giving should be of your own accord! We always help the low lvls but we request that they attempt it several times on their own the first time through before we assist in any way shape or form. We just had a guy who is the brother of a long time member ask for 10k, it was given and the leader said: Pay me back whenever you are able. Guy: What if I don't >_> Me: bells whistles and a million signals go off Leader: You will be able to eventually, so don't worry. Guy: Ok! ....This says to me that the guy has no intentions of paying off the debt and its counted as a loss but also a wait and see. He's new and his brother is a good guy we've known for a while, so if nothing else his brother might make up some of the cost even if he shouldn't have to. If you are new in any way it should be the guild helping you, but not showering you with gifts. Again I am sorry this happened to you but its not unheard of. Any guild that requires you pay your way in or offers you officer status from the start is also not the best one to go into. They either have a scam running or you can bet the guild will go bust after a few weeks possibly as long as 2mths. Better luck next time hun! (And for the record, I am a female and my husband is our guild leader - I am in charge of communications and damage control if something goes amiss >_>) Last edited by Eviance; Jun 27, 2006 at 09:53 PM // 21:53..

Jun 21, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45	#23
Misc Merik Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: America Guild: Fugitives of Kurzick (Fok) Profession: W/	Yeah reading that story made me think wow I would of been booted on the first instance of them asking for ecto ect. Im a self sufficient person too and just like you want to fit in as a good member/officer of my guild, but though I like the guild Im with Ive made it clear to them that unless they truly need something dont expect any charity from me. I show up for gvg, help members with missions, do other ect things so its not like I hate these people. This story just made me think the nerve of some people to play the emotions of other people like they were with you. If you think they werent realize you gave them materials,gold, and weapons you went out of your way to get and they conned it out of you playing the guilt you wanna be a good member card. offtopic your title made me think the opposite you were leaving because they werent bending over backwards to give you the leet uber weapons.

Jun 22, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13	#24
HowardJones Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005	I stayed in this guild mostly from nostalgia. See, I had been in this really cool guild for a long time and made lots of friends, but eventually it became sort of corrupt and everyone quit. I stopped playing for a few months and when i came back to the game an old guildie whispered me about this great new guild that everyone joined, so I joined it. Anyway it WAS a cool guild but eventually people started leaving because of bad experiences and I was just too stupid to notice. I figured the guild was still ok tho and stuck around. I had actually been thinking of leaving when I was asked to donate the 15>50 celestial axe req 9 but hadnt quite commited to the idea. When they started harrasing me for the Urgoz bow I knew it was time to go. I feel badly for the other people in the guild still, and the new players, because they talk a good game about peace love and bortherhood. The leader is about 32 I think. He is married with kids and is always going thru some sort of health problem, which draws everyones sympathy and loyalty. The TS password was actually "One in Christ", thats how supposedly faithfull they are. Oh and the GL was male.

Jun 22, 2006, 12:56 AM // 00:56	#25
BeowulfKamdas Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: none atm Profession: W/E	this thread made me feel sorry for a lot of people and angry at a few people

Jun 22, 2006, 03:26 AM // 03:26	#26
Doomlord_Slayermann Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago IL Guild: Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR] Profession: W/P	In this case I would have to advise mob justice enacted upon your ex-guild. Mob justice FTW.

Jun 23, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38	#27
Tigers Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2006 Location: Miami,FL Guild: Shameful Spirits [SsP] Profession: Mo/	Wow is that how PvE guilds are? I mean if I was in a PvE guild like that I would leave immediately and plus them asking you for things and not getting any help back? why did you give them a perfect 15^50 axe which you couldve gotten like lots for it? why would you join a guild with a stupid rule on getting the officers there stuff while they just sit and drink lemonade all day waiting for the members which was you considered a slave get thigns for them? Heres a tiop never join or stay in a guild that begs like that -.- those are people you shouldnt be with if they ask to buy soemthing form you its fine but if they demand for those things then leave if they threaten to kick you then leave before you do -.- You couldve had Fissure armor yourself instead of those retarded Officers? why Feed them with suck great items -.-

Jun 23, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34	#30
HowardJones Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2005	Well, the idea is that if you stick around long enough and help, that you get rewarded with a promotion and fissure armor. Tho I had been there for 6 months no one ever approached me with a promotion, so it probably doesnt hold true....

Jun 29, 2006, 08:33 AM // 08:33	#33
Yanman.be Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium Guild: [ROSE] Profession: A/	Jaw drops It's rather obvious the officers are abusing their position... You should try and reflect on them by showing how you feel in your position. And.. WHY did you even tell you got a good drop, if you know you have to give it away!

Jun 29, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15	#34
Lykan Forge Runner Join Date: May 2005 Guild: StP Profession: R/	To the OP. Im sorry but i read your post in disbelief that someone would want to be a part of a guild where the leader and officers are treated like some godlike figures, giving them greens and gold weapons just because they "think they are cool". You should have left that guild the minute they started asking for donations for ecto (also unbelieveble). If they want fissure let em get it themselves. No one in Guild Wars is more important than anyone else (except Gaile maybe xD ) and I would not treat anyone as if they are. I hope you learn from this.

Jun 29, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26	#35
frickaline Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Quest Of Ages	Holy crap what a lame guild ... my guild would never do anything like that so you should know that there are plenty of decent guilds with decent folk out there.

Jun 30, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03	#36
sasquatch Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Maguuma Jungle Wildlife Reserve Profession: Mo/E	in OUR guild, everyone helps everyone, anyone who wants to donates to the guild funds to buy all the NPC's for the hall (only 2 left), we PvP and PvE, we all sell and buy from each other we just dont rip each other off and we usually give each other discounts and we help newer guildies out by loaning or giving them money. Our guild leader is a guy to.

Jun 30, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38	#37
Stixxx Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Belgium	Thats really screwed -.- I think that, no matter the guilds policy, you are still the one in charge over your drops and items. So if they want you to donate, u should be deciding yes or no, and what you'll be giving. I've been a guild leader, and i never asked for anything, exept for an occasional helping hand. I dont understand that some guilds make it a "rule" to donate stuff! If they want money, go farm then!

Jun 30, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50	#39
Doomlord_Slayermann Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago IL Guild: Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR] Profession: W/P	I could see the officers getting 15k armor in a PvE guild, perhaps, but FoW armor? It's expensive as hell and far uglier. What it should be is a status symbol, but of course eBayers ruin that. Anyways, good luck on your future endeavors, and I hope this nonsense never happens to anyone.

Jul 01, 2006, 04:55 AM // 04:55	#40
Edge Martinez Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: NC Guild: DKL	Wow. I just read the first couple replies to the first post. Reading that first post made me sick. Good luck finding a better guild man. There are many benefits to joining a good one, but they aren't always apparent. Also, people you know irl are much less likely to screw you over. Finally, your style of play seems to generate great profits. I'd really suggest donating materials and cash if you can afford it, but keeping anything good you may find and selling it. I definitely would not broadcast it if you don't know the people. The most expensive thing my guild asks for is collector drops like Avicara scalps and thorny carapaces and such, so when someone needs a perfect item, we can get them a collectors one.