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dronex · Nov 18, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Its just a game u know ...
Anet makes the rules, you break the rules u get banned its easy as that.

Swinging Fists · Nov 18, 2006, 09:53 AM // 09:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

I believe ANET should allow people to buy gold or whatever off the internet. Most people who argue against this say it's wrong because it would ruin the market. Well not thee market, but their market. Most players want to rip off one another by selling something rare worth 10 to 20k for 100k + more which means a lot of our time sold to something that isn't worth that much of value.

So it's NOT that this is a matter of what is wrong or right, but what is convenient and not.

It IS a matter of right and wrong. ANet is the legal owner of everything in this game. If there is a profit to be made, it is ANet's exclusive right to make that profit. EBay goldsellers are profiting from ANet's product, which is prohibited.

Antheus · Nov 18, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by RPGmaniac

TBH, i dont see where the "need" for so much money comes from. As long as I got my 1.5k armor and a decent max damage weapon, i'm good. I dont need to get the ultimate "1337 fellblade of superior pwnage" in order to be competitive. This game isnt item based, its skill based. Heck, i could probably get a non-max weapon and still be almost as effective.

It comes from the fact, that majority doesn't eBay money. Hence, it takes them long time to acquire items and gold.

And then, there's an easy way. From in-game, nobody, and just nobody can tell, whether you bought your FoW with self-earned money or eBayed it. That is the apeal.

The "I have a life" arguments don't count. How about I send a letter to my employer: "I'll take the 20% raise, but I won't be coming to work anymore. I have a life, you know". And if so, why does it matter to you if someone has more GW gold than you?

It is a game. A game has rules. Kill a mob - get loot - buy items.

The eBaying of money is same as selling Pacman score. So, you buy an account with hi-score of 1,342,955 points. Whoopte-doo. Doesn't make much sense, does it.

The reason this, that the virtual worlds establish social rules. The rich, the poor, the knowledgable, etc. And then, there's an easy way to go from poor to rich. Some will of course use it. People scam, cheat, lie, steal, rob in real life every minute of every day. Why should a game be different?

But do have some common sense. If you buy an account, prepare to be scammed. And then, nobody will even remotely come to your help, and you can get banned for it. Not only that, but scammers do it for a living. They know how to evade bans themself. People get scammed big time in real life, they go bankrupt, go to jail and worse. The scammers however, keep going unharmed.

Tentigers · Nov 18, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

I got a reply from ANET, this is what they say;

Response (GM David) 11/17/2006 03:15 PM
Hello,

Thanks for getting in touch with the Guild Wars Support Team regarding a potential rules violation. However, our system works best when the report is submitted by the person who directly experienced the rules violation.

If the person involved in the incident would like to contact us with details of the situation, please ask that person to do so using the "Ask a Question" feature at http://www.guildwars.com/support/. If you like, please forward them the following list of facts that will help any investigation into the incident:

- What was the date and time (including time zone) of the incident(s)?
- What is the name of the character(s) you are reporting?
- What is the name of the character you were playing at time of incident(s)?
- Did you have any screenshots of the incident? (If so, please ensure they are under 2MB and in JPEG/.jpg or GIF/.gif format and attach them to this message.)
- Do you recall any additional details since you sent us your initial message?

We appreciate your support of Guild Wars and your interest in keeping the game world pleasant for all players.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Anyone notice a problem here?

The player in question has been permanently banned. He has tried at least 4 times I know of to try and email them, and gets to same code 45.

It seems when you are banned, even though they say you can appeal the decision, you cant contact them to appeal it because you are banned.

Tentigers · Nov 18, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25

I got a reply from ANET, this is what they say;

Response (GM David) 11/17/2006 03:15 PM
Hello,

Thanks for getting in touch with the Guild Wars Support Team regarding a potential rules violation. However, our system works best when the report is submitted by the person who directly experienced the rules violation.

If the person involved in the incident would like to contact us with details of the situation, please ask that person to do so using the "Ask a Question" feature at http://www.guildwars.com/support/. If you like, please forward them the following list of facts that will help any investigation into the incident:

- What was the date and time (including time zone) of the incident(s)?
- What is the name of the character(s) you are reporting?
- What is the name of the character you were playing at time of incident(s)?
- Did you have any screenshots of the incident? (If so, please ensure they are under 2MB and in JPEG/.jpg or GIF/.gif format and attach them to this message.)
- Do you recall any additional details since you sent us your initial message?

We appreciate your support of Guild Wars and your interest in keeping the game world pleasant for all players.

Regards,
The Guild Wars Support Team
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Anyone notice a problem here?

The player in question has been permanently banned. He has tried at least 4 times I know of to try and email them, and gets to same code 45.

It seems when you are banned, even though they say you can appeal the decision, you cant contact them to appeal it because you are banned.

As far as I am concerned, Guild wars has lost a decent player to a scam artist. Its beyond me why they didnt ban him, it was sooo obvious what he was doing if they just take the time to look at his account.

As for the issue, its dead, and the player is gone.......

lacasner · Nov 18, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

It's not a matter of right or wrong, nor being convenient or not. It's about playability. Having ingame benefits (such as gold) only obtainable through playing the game gives people a reason to play. If they allowed users to buy gold online; people wouldn't need to play as much to get all the things they wanted. It would be so boring that people would be playing less and less until they stop playing all together.

I don't see why this matters. Because this game has no monthly fee, why would Anet really care what happens after you pay your 50 bucks? People here have said they would buy the next chapters anyway.

lacasner · Nov 18, 2006, 06:35 PM // 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

It's not a matter of right or wrong, nor being convenient or not. It's about playability. Having ingame benefits (such as gold) only obtainable through playing the game gives people a reason to play. If they allowed users to buy gold online; people wouldn't need to play as much to get all the things they wanted. It would be so boring that people would be playing less and less until they stop playing all together.

I don't see why this matters. Because this game has no monthly fee, why would Anet really care what happens after you pay your 50 bucks? People here have said they would buy the next chapters anyway.

Knightsaber Sith · Nov 19, 2006, 04:59 AM // 04:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

I don't see why this matters. Because this game has no monthly fee, why would Anet really care what happens after you pay your 50 bucks? People here have said they would buy the next chapters anyway.

The majority of the player base wouldn't keep playing for long after they started allowing gold to be sold. The people that would keep playing for a time are those that couldn't understand the full impact it would have on the game; they might be able to squeeze out one more campaign after that but before long the rest would stop playing too. Anet's only option would be to make guild wars an offline game or accept bankruptcy.

In summation, Anet really cares what happens after you pay your 50 bucks because they want to keep the franchise alive as a viable source of revenue. They could allow you to do whatever you want after you pay your initial $50, but then the series would flop after the first campaign and not allowing the sale of gold is far more profitable for Anet in the end.

Hephaestus Ram · Nov 19, 2006, 05:44 AM // 05:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tentigers

I wont defend my guild leader, even he knows it was a stupid thing to do. But, this is what I found out since I made the post;

Seller sold the account to 5 or 6 people for anywhere from 10K to 100K each, price varied.

After each sale....he filed a Violation report on the buyer saying he was hacked. Re accessed the account (because the buyer cant change the password without the cd code) and deleted everything.

Remade all 6 or 8 PVP characters, then resold again. Another buyer, he reports them, deletes everything....remakes....then sells again.

It seems theres a loophole in ANET policies. If this guy reports a violation after each sale, he doesnt get banned because he saying its hackers. And of course ANET investigates LOL more like blindly banning the people

PS the seller of the account in question HAS NOT been banned

I was watching one of those Nightline "pervert" things, you know,
the ones where the people meet under aged girls on "Myspace"
and arrange to "meet" them, the other day.
Your guildleaders story sounds a lot like what I'd imagine those
guys would claim after they got busted. But I agree... unless your
guildleader was caught up in a "sting", the seller should have
been banned too.

Dalimoor_Kalkire · Nov 20, 2006, 06:43 AM // 06:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tentigers

I wont defend my guild leader, even he knows it was a stupid thing to do. But, this is what I found out since I made the post;

Seller sold the account to 5 or 6 people for anywhere from 10K to 100K each, price varied.

After each sale....he filed a Violation report on the buyer saying he was hacked. Re accessed the account (because the buyer cant change the password without the cd code) and deleted everything.

Remade all 6 or 8 PVP characters, then resold again. Another buyer, he reports them, deletes everything....remakes....then sells again.

It seems theres a loophole in ANET policies. If this guy reports a violation after each sale, he doesnt get banned because he saying its hackers. And of course ANET investigates LOL more like blindly banning the people

PS the seller of the account in question HAS NOT been banned

Look, look, look...how many times have people heard that buying/selling accounts is illegal? The original e-mail is perma-linked to that account. In my opinion, the buyer and seller should be banned. What is the lesson here, folks? Don't buy accounts! When you get caught doing someone illegal and have to pay the price, don't complain. He got caught, he got banned. A shame the seller didn't get banned as well. He's a lucky one. But, as far as your leader is concerned, he deserves the ban. Guess he'll have to start over.

Maria The Princess · Nov 20, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33

seriously, how did he not think that 10k is alittle bit too cheap for an account?

and just out of curiosity, since hes the leader and hes banned, what is happening to the guild? is he replaced automayicly by soeone else or just appears inactive forever?

Akhilleus · Nov 20, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antheus

It comes from the fact, that majority doesn't eBay money. Hence, it takes them long time to acquire items and gold.

And then, there's an easy way. From in-game, nobody, and just nobody can tell, whether you bought your FoW with self-earned money or eBayed it. That is the apeal.

The "I have a life" arguments don't count. How about I send a letter to my employer: "I'll take the 20% raise, but I won't be coming to work anymore. I have a life, you know". And if so, why does it matter to you if someone has more GW gold than you?

It is a game. A game has rules. Kill a mob - get loot - buy items.

The eBaying of money is same as selling Pacman score. So, you buy an account with hi-score of 1,342,955 points. Whoopte-doo. Doesn't make much sense, does it.

The reason this, that the virtual worlds establish social rules. The rich, the poor, the knowledgable, etc. And then, there's an easy way to go from poor to rich. Some will of course use it. People scam, cheat, lie, steal, rob in real life every minute of every day. Why should a game be different?

But do have some common sense. If you buy an account, prepare to be scammed. And then, nobody will even remotely come to your help, and you can get banned for it. Not only that, but scammers do it for a living. They know how to evade bans themself. People get scammed big time in real life, they go bankrupt, go to jail and worse. The scammers however, keep going unharmed.

100% agree on everything said here.
as to add to the last part; those of you who think that banning the seller would do anything...think again.
its pretty obvious that this guy bought 2 accounts, probably 2 different methods, registered to 2 different names; uses 1 to scam people by the aforementioned method, then mules the gold off to his main account, and repeats the process.
even if the account gets banned, it wouldnt be the one that counts.

the fact of the matter is, scammers know how to evade responsibility. and if you try to excell by illigitimate means, you become prey to them. buying accounts for 10k, or 100k or whatever, you're asking to get scammed, and possibly banned.
your guild leader was banned for a flat out violation of the rules. kudos anet for removing 1 more scumbag from the GW population.
yeah, the scammer should be banned too, but as i said, it wouldnt do much good anyway.
if anet enlists a faulty ban on you, thats another story. once upon a time, i myself got banned, illigitimatly, and fought it to my victory. turns out i was one of many victims in (at the time) one of anets multiple indiscriminate ban-sweeps, even though they probably nailed more rule-abiding players than not but thats another story. however, this is not the case, your guild leader violated one of the major rules in the GW EULA, and got banned for it. in my eyes, the only thing keeping this from being a total victory, is the lack of banning of the scammers account (and his main accounts), and the banning of the other people who attempted to purchase the account. hopefully, though, the fact that they got relieved of some of their money will be motivation enough to place them back ont he strait&narrow.

Antheus · Nov 20, 2006, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tentigers

As far as I am concerned, Guild wars has lost a decent player to a scam artist. Its beyond me why they didnt ban him, it was sooo obvious what he was doing if they just take the time to look at his account.

No, they lost a cheater, who violated the rules.

If he were a great player, dedicated GW fan, he would have bought another copy of the game.

The more people that get banned like this, the fewer will be spamming "WT S/W T B GW account 100k" in spatial chat, and the less scammers will be around.

It's absurd that just by going into any trading dis 1, seeing all the account (GW, Runescape, and an odd WoW account) sales being spammed without a hint of fear.

"You cannot scam an honest person. It's impossible." - paraphrased after some TV series

Cur · Nov 20, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

Quote:

Your guildleaders story sounds a lot like what I'd imagine those
guys would claim after they got busted. But I agree... unless your
guildleader was caught up in a "sting", the seller should have
been banned too.

Heh, that would be funny if Arena Net had undercover account sellers to find and ban buyers. My respect for them would go way up if they did.

Dart The Eternal · Nov 26, 2006, 10:29 AM // 10:29

Well, as far as buying/selling accounts and gold go, I have four children and have enjoyed getting the 3 GW games. I like to log in after my kids go to sleep, whipe an area clear of its denizens, and hope I get enough gold to supply my next trips worth of keys, lol. I have read some very interesting posts in this topic thread, and players beware, it is a game, but it has its rules like all games, go out play how you like and have a good time doing it. But this is also a community based game, so sometimes you have to take into consideration the players around you and be mindful of your actions/comments when dealing with others. We all learned basic social skills in Kindergarten, whats up with people. Why cant we all get along? Have fun all, maybe see ya in game some time. Work hard, play hard and kick some Margonite/Stone Summit/ Mantis kiester.

*Darcy* · Nov 26, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

First I would like to compliment you for your loyalty to your friend.

That said, ANet makes you agree to the EULA when you first register your game and whenever they make a major change (such as Online Store). If you are agreeing to it without reading it, you are doing something foolish. Due to constant complaints about vague wording, ANet is getting more and more specific. Their "Thou Shalt Not" list has grown immensely since I bought the game almost a year ago.

There is no vagueness about the account selling and the consequences. Your guild leader knowingly broke that rule. He admits that so ANet sees no need to discuss his ban with him as there is nothing to discuss.

The scammer feels safe because he can prove he bought the game, but he will be watched by ANet. The problem is that usually the one buying the account from him is not going to report anything or screenshot the transaction. If they report with screenshots, the scammer will immediately get banned also, but the reporter is also gone. Few people are that noble.

If your guild would like to "avenge" your ex-leader, spend time screenshotting anyone trying to sell an account and report them. Remember to include date, time and district in the report. Don't concentrate on the scammer from this incident - including all of them will add validity to your reports. Don't consider it "squealing", these people are no one's friend and are hurting other players constantly.

Off Topic - As to off-line sale of GW gold and items - if you wonder how serious ANet/NC Soft takes it - think of the amount of money they have invested in tracking down gold farmers and bot users and prosecuting them.

Darkobra · Nov 26, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

You say you lost a "great player". Let me explain this to you. A GREAT player wouldn't NEED to buy an account. A GREAT player would also realise that it's VERY easy to be scammed when dealing with other's accounts. As far as it goes, your leader deserved to be banned. But so does the seller. It's confusing me how this person can claim to be "hacked" by around 5 or 6 different people and they're not questioning it. There's no real reason to buy accounts.

As for buying Guild Wars gold, why? It's not hard to make gold in the game. Don't say it is. "Long" isn't "hard". Green items from drops, runes from armour, weapon mods that people want, a few crafting materials, all easy cash. There's a difference between PLAYING the game and having things HANDED to you. I can tell you that the working man has more gloating rights than some one than some one who just had the money handed to them.

Haggard · Nov 26, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27

He bought an account for 10k? : /

I know people who've been scammed for seven times that.

Nov 18, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51	#21
dronex Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: Mo/	Its just a game u know ... Anet makes the rules, you break the rules u get banned its easy as that.

Nov 18, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22	#24
Tentigers Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: E/N	I got a reply from ANET, this is what they say; Response (GM David) 11/17/2006 03:15 PM Hello, Thanks for getting in touch with the Guild Wars Support Team regarding a potential rules violation. However, our system works best when the report is submitted by the person who directly experienced the rules violation. If the person involved in the incident would like to contact us with details of the situation, please ask that person to do so using the "Ask a Question" feature at http://www.guildwars.com/support/. If you like, please forward them the following list of facts that will help any investigation into the incident: - What was the date and time (including time zone) of the incident(s)? - What is the name of the character(s) you are reporting? - What is the name of the character you were playing at time of incident(s)? - Did you have any screenshots of the incident? (If so, please ensure they are under 2MB and in JPEG/.jpg or GIF/.gif format and attach them to this message.) - Do you recall any additional details since you sent us your initial message? We appreciate your support of Guild Wars and your interest in keeping the game world pleasant for all players. Regards, The Guild Wars Support Team ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone notice a problem here? The player in question has been permanently banned. He has tried at least 4 times I know of to try and email them, and gets to same code 45. It seems when you are banned, even though they say you can appeal the decision, you cant contact them to appeal it because you are banned.

Nov 18, 2006, 06:25 PM // 18:25	#25
Tentigers Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: E/N	I got a reply from ANET, this is what they say; Response (GM David) 11/17/2006 03:15 PM Hello, Thanks for getting in touch with the Guild Wars Support Team regarding a potential rules violation. However, our system works best when the report is submitted by the person who directly experienced the rules violation. If the person involved in the incident would like to contact us with details of the situation, please ask that person to do so using the "Ask a Question" feature at http://www.guildwars.com/support/. If you like, please forward them the following list of facts that will help any investigation into the incident: - What was the date and time (including time zone) of the incident(s)? - What is the name of the character(s) you are reporting? - What is the name of the character you were playing at time of incident(s)? - Did you have any screenshots of the incident? (If so, please ensure they are under 2MB and in JPEG/.jpg or GIF/.gif format and attach them to this message.) - Do you recall any additional details since you sent us your initial message? We appreciate your support of Guild Wars and your interest in keeping the game world pleasant for all players. Regards, The Guild Wars Support Team ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone notice a problem here? The player in question has been permanently banned. He has tried at least 4 times I know of to try and email them, and gets to same code 45. It seems when you are banned, even though they say you can appeal the decision, you cant contact them to appeal it because you are banned. As far as I am concerned, Guild wars has lost a decent player to a scam artist. Its beyond me why they didnt ban him, it was sooo obvious what he was doing if they just take the time to look at his account. As for the issue, its dead, and the player is gone.......

Nov 20, 2006, 04:33 PM // 16:33	#31
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	seriously, how did he not think that 10k is alittle bit too cheap for an account? and just out of curiosity, since hes the leader and hes banned, what is happening to the guild? is he replaced automayicly by soeone else or just appears inactive forever?

Nov 26, 2006, 10:29 AM // 10:29	#35
Dart The Eternal Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Shiverpeak Construction Company/SCC Profession: W/Mo	Well, as far as buying/selling accounts and gold go, I have four children and have enjoyed getting the 3 GW games. I like to log in after my kids go to sleep, whipe an area clear of its denizens, and hope I get enough gold to supply my next trips worth of keys, lol. I have read some very interesting posts in this topic thread, and players beware, it is a game, but it has its rules like all games, go out play how you like and have a good time doing it. But this is also a community based game, so sometimes you have to take into consideration the players around you and be mindful of your actions/comments when dealing with others. We all learned basic social skills in Kindergarten, whats up with people. Why cant we all get along? Have fun all, maybe see ya in game some time. Work hard, play hard and kick some Margonite/Stone Summit/ Mantis kiester.

Nov 26, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57	#36
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	First I would like to compliment you for your loyalty to your friend. That said, ANet makes you agree to the EULA when you first register your game and whenever they make a major change (such as Online Store). If you are agreeing to it without reading it, you are doing something foolish. Due to constant complaints about vague wording, ANet is getting more and more specific. Their "Thou Shalt Not" list has grown immensely since I bought the game almost a year ago. There is no vagueness about the account selling and the consequences. Your guild leader knowingly broke that rule. He admits that so ANet sees no need to discuss his ban with him as there is nothing to discuss. The scammer feels safe because he can prove he bought the game, but he will be watched by ANet. The problem is that usually the one buying the account from him is not going to report anything or screenshot the transaction. If they report with screenshots, the scammer will immediately get banned also, but the reporter is also gone. Few people are that noble. If your guild would like to "avenge" your ex-leader, spend time screenshotting anyone trying to sell an account and report them. Remember to include date, time and district in the report. Don't concentrate on the scammer from this incident - including all of them will add validity to your reports. Don't consider it "squealing", these people are no one's friend and are hurting other players constantly. Off Topic - As to off-line sale of GW gold and items - if you wonder how serious ANet/NC Soft takes it - think of the amount of money they have invested in tracking down gold farmers and bot users and prosecuting them.

Nov 26, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33	#37
Darkobra Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Guild: Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot Profession: E/Me	You say you lost a "great player". Let me explain this to you. A GREAT player wouldn't NEED to buy an account. A GREAT player would also realise that it's VERY easy to be scammed when dealing with other's accounts. As far as it goes, your leader deserved to be banned. But so does the seller. It's confusing me how this person can claim to be "hacked" by around 5 or 6 different people and they're not questioning it. There's no real reason to buy accounts. As for buying Guild Wars gold, why? It's not hard to make gold in the game. Don't say it is. "Long" isn't "hard". Green items from drops, runes from armour, weapon mods that people want, a few crafting materials, all easy cash. There's a difference between PLAYING the game and having things HANDED to you. I can tell you that the working man has more gloating rights than some one than some one who just had the money handed to them.

Nov 26, 2006, 06:27 PM // 18:27	#38
Haggard Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Urmston, Manchester, UK Guild: Greener Pastures [DVDF] Profession: W/Rt	He bought an account for 10k? : / I know people who've been scammed for seven times that.