Guild Leader banned? - Guild Wars Forums

Tentigers · Nov 17, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

Quote "You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying, selling, trading, sharing, or transferring access to any Guild Wars account for real-world cash or for in-game gold or items."

This comment is in the rules of conduct. Our guild leader yesturday purchased a GW account for 10K, was inspecting it, and the seller came in and started deleting everything. Then he complained to anet and said our guild leader hacked the account.

Anet says every case is reviewed carefully.......yea ok. Because our guild leader got scammed in the purchase of this account......not only did he lose the gold he gave the guy, he was just permanently banned code 045 by anet and so he lost ALOT of time, items, and characters.

I can understand that buying another user account is a breach of the rules, but shouldnt ANET be banning the people who sell them, not the buyers?

Samuel Anders · Nov 17, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

Both the seller and the buyer should be banned, IMO. They're both breaking the EULA.

This thread will probably be locked, anyway, since none of the admins/moderators here can help with this problem.

Annoy Mous · Nov 17, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

I don't think that the either should be permanently banned, just if they had any other marks on their accounts, a permaban would sound good to me.

Aera · Nov 17, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

Don't buy accounts...you know you're breaking the rules there.

Take the risk, witness the consequences.

Terra Xin · Nov 17, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24

Quote:

Take the risk, witness the consequences.

You pull a quote from the RoC. What you read is what applies - therefore the ban will apply to both the seller and the buyer, as stated by the quote you just made.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Nov 17, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55

While coming back from robbing a bank someone rear ended me and drove away from the scene of the accident!

I best go to the police to report them, eh?

lennymon · Nov 17, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

I actually hope the thread doesn't get closed and more folks who buy accts as well as people who sell accts get banned and posted here. Why you ask?
just like with drugs, there will be no sellers if nobody wants to buy. If everyone KNOWS they'll get banned perhaps this totally idiotic practice of buying and selling accts will finally grind to a near halt!
In *my opinion* your guild leader not only deserves to get banned for violating the eula, but they need a boot to the head for being gullible enough to be so obviously scammed. I know I'd kick myself out of my own guild for just the embarassment of this scam...

edit: this was your *guild LEADER????* some leader

Kais Unduli · Nov 17, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Everyone should know already that buying/selling accounts is wrong. Don't know how it's not common knowledge by now.

Kook~NBK~ · Nov 17, 2006, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Learn the lesson and don't be dumb enough to try buying someone else's account - for RW money or IG gold. I've got no sympathy for anyone who falls for this bit of silliness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tentigers

I can understand that buying another user account is a breach of the rules, but shouldnt ANET be banning the people who sell them, not the buyers?

Are you just assuming that the other player didn't get banned? Or do you know that he/she didn't?

lennymon · Nov 17, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48

everyone knows its against the eula, but not everyone knows the buyer (even if they aren't necessarily stupid enough to complain to anet about getting scammed while breaking the eula) will get banned....

edit:
I got a great idea, anet should make a Jail zone in the battle isles (so everone can access), and have all the characters/accounts that get perma banned crucified in there, and what stupid stunt they pulled to get perma banned. Might increase awareness...

Tentigers · Nov 18, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34

I wont defend my guild leader, even he knows it was a stupid thing to do. But, this is what I found out since I made the post;

Seller sold the account to 5 or 6 people for anywhere from 10K to 100K each, price varied.

After each sale....he filed a Violation report on the buyer saying he was hacked. Re accessed the account (because the buyer cant change the password without the cd code) and deleted everything.

Remade all 6 or 8 PVP characters, then resold again. Another buyer, he reports them, deletes everything....remakes....then sells again.

It seems theres a loophole in ANET policies. If this guy reports a violation after each sale, he doesnt get banned because he saying its hackers. And of course ANET investigates LOL more like blindly banning the people

PS the seller of the account in question HAS NOT been banned

sykoone · Nov 18, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

If the seller hasn't been banned, then someone needs to come up with screenshots of him selling the acconut, and handing over the access info. Then turn that over to Anet support to get the guy banned.

Phaern Majes · Nov 18, 2006, 05:33 AM // 05:33

Problem with that is, the guy won't turn over the info until you pay him for it, and once you do that you're violating EULA yourself.

All you have to do is screenshot them spamming "WTS Account for 100k" or however much and send that in. They aren't allowed to even try to sell accounts. A guy in my guild was trying to sell his buddy key that came with NF. He was perma banned the next day, he didn't even manage to sell the key. I'm not saying Anet was in the wrong, I'm just pointing out all you have to do is try to sell it, and they can ban you for it.

Bmont3779 · Nov 18, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10

personaly this is an other example of how anets banning policies dont work. If the same person (did he use the some account) is constantly reporting to anet that he got hacked (i mean it would "raise" a red flag in my book), but what im saying is anet must just look at the complaint and say, "humm...ok, well he hacked, so he gets banded. Im not trying to defend that guild leader ( he was at falt as well). All im saying is anet needs to change their policies on sorting out problems. Thats the only problem i have with anet, and i wish i could talk to one of them in person to have them explain how the settle compaints. o well....

Phantom Flux · Nov 18, 2006, 06:22 AM // 06:22

I believe ANET should allow people to buy gold or whatever off the internet. Most people who argue against this say it's wrong because it would ruin the market. Well not thee market, but their market. Most players want to rip off one another by selling something rare worth 10 to 20k for 100k + more which means a lot of our time sold to something that isn't worth that much of value.

So it's NOT that this is a matter of what is wrong or right, but what is convenient and not.

I feel the Guild Leader was very stupid for even consulting ANET on the matter. HELLO!!! Yeah what that person did to you was screwed up, but everyone, especially a Guild leader with so much experience should already know that mentioning that you did such a trade is like making your own drug-bust based off GW (odd) Policies.

Just to add that anyone that sell their account for imaginary-video game gold is just wasting a lot of time. If you know how to market your items, or just market better you can make a lot of gold in not a lot of time. It's called common sense. lol

Knightsaber Sith · Nov 18, 2006, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

I believe ANET should allow people to buy gold or whatever off the internet. Most people who argue against this say it's wrong because it would ruin the market. Well not thee market, but their market. Most players want to rip off one another by selling something rare worth 10 to 20k for 100k + more which means a lot of our time sold to something that isn't worth that much of value.

So it's NOT that this is a matter of what is wrong or right, but what is convenient and not.

It's not a matter of right or wrong, nor being convenient or not. It's about playability. Having ingame benefits (such as gold) only obtainable through playing the game gives people a reason to play. If they allowed users to buy gold online; people wouldn't need to play as much to get all the things they wanted. It would be so boring that people would be playing less and less until they stop playing all together.

Phantom Flux · Nov 18, 2006, 07:14 AM // 07:14

As I said, convenience. It's about what floats everyone's boat and mine floats for those that actually have a real life. A lot of us likes to spend time playing guild wars, but not forever. For those who don't, ok I can see where ya'll feel it's taking your only moments of doing anything away.

However, it's just a game and we should be able to have it be played out in any way that makes us happy. And I say, let's allow gold to be traded for money. I hope Anet allows that one day.

Knightsaber Sith · Nov 18, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Saying that people that have earned what they wanted have no lives isn't a very compeling argument. If you want the "convenience" of being able to do whatever you want, there's no point in playing an online game. Perhaps playing pokemon with a gameshark would be more your style.

But it's already been confirmed Anet will never allow the sale of gold so the point is moot.

RPGmaniac · Nov 18, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22

TBH, i dont see where the "need" for so much money comes from. As long as I got my 1.5k armor and a decent max damage weapon, i'm good. I dont need to get the ultimate "1337 fellblade of superior pwnage" in order to be competitive. This game isnt item based, its skill based. Heck, i could probably get a non-max weapon and still be almost as effective.

Also, Anet is never going to allowing gold buying on Ebay

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Originally Posted by Phantom Flux

However, it's just a game and we should be able to have it be played out in any way that makes us happy. And I say, let's allow gold to be traded for money. I hope Anet allows that one day.

that is like the people saying "i should automatically have my 15k armor and the ability to go to UW and FoW whenever I want, afterall, I paid for it" except ur justification for this point of view is you have a real life. There are lots of other people with real lives here that are fine with going through the game like everybody else. Plus this would mean that the people with the most money to spend in RL are going to dominate the market in GW.

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Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith

Perhaps playing pokemon with a gameshark would be more your style.

very well put

Kuldebar Valiturus · Nov 18, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

In my opinion, gold selling and buying make for poor players in the game.

A player buys the gold, usually a fairly large amount at a time.

That player then spends that gold on items in the game with out the same discretion as a player who had actually earned that amount of gold.

Prices become inflated because of gold buying players.

It becomes a revolving market, players buy gold and usually end up spending the gold on roughly the same things which in turn supplies th gold which gets sold to gold buying players.

The game's market signals become distorted and players that actually play the game start getting squeezed out by gold farmers.

Additionally, they tend to be inexperienced or poor players. Players that tend to stay away from the more difficult aspects of the game and have little aptitude for teamwork or missions.

Gold market discussion aside: I am becoming more and more convinced that people don't know how play games anymore.

People rush through a game, don't do quests, run through whole zones thus skipping content and then have the audacity to say they are bored. Gold buying is part of this whole silliness, but the trend of rushing through is also part of the problem.

Why the hell you in such a hurry?

Nov 17, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59	#1
Tentigers Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: E/N	Guild Leader banned? Quote "You may not advertise the intent to or commit the act of buying, selling, trading, sharing, or transferring access to any Guild Wars account for real-world cash or for in-game gold or items." This comment is in the rules of conduct. Our guild leader yesturday purchased a GW account for 10K, was inspecting it, and the seller came in and started deleting everything. Then he complained to anet and said our guild leader hacked the account. Anet says every case is reviewed carefully.......yea ok. Because our guild leader got scammed in the purchase of this account......not only did he lose the gold he gave the guy, he was just permanently banned code 045 by anet and so he lost ALOT of time, items, and characters. I can understand that buying another user account is a breach of the rules, but shouldnt ANET be banning the people who sell them, not the buyers?

Nov 17, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37	#7
lennymon Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle Guild: Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	I actually hope the thread doesn't get closed and more folks who buy accts as well as people who sell accts get banned and posted here. Why you ask? just like with drugs, there will be no sellers if nobody wants to buy. If everyone KNOWS they'll get banned perhaps this totally idiotic practice of buying and selling accts will finally grind to a near halt! In my opinion your guild leader not only deserves to get banned for violating the eula, but they need a boot to the head for being gullible enough to be so obviously scammed. I know I'd kick myself out of my own guild for just the embarassment of this scam... edit: this was your guild LEADER???? some leader Last edited by lennymon; Nov 17, 2006 at 11:40 PM // 23:40..

Nov 17, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48	#10
lennymon Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Seattle Guild: Odin's Hammer [OH] - Servant's of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	everyone knows its against the eula, but not everyone knows the buyer (even if they aren't necessarily stupid enough to complain to anet about getting scammed while breaking the eula) will get banned.... edit: I got a great idea, anet should make a Jail zone in the battle isles (so everone can access), and have all the characters/accounts that get perma banned crucified in there, and what stupid stunt they pulled to get perma banned. Might increase awareness... Last edited by lennymon; Nov 17, 2006 at 11:58 PM // 23:58..

Nov 18, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22	#18
Knightsaber Sith Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Few Fallen Heroes [FFH] Profession: W/E	Saying that people that have earned what they wanted have no lives isn't a very compeling argument. If you want the "convenience" of being able to do whatever you want, there's no point in playing an online game. Perhaps playing pokemon with a gameshark would be more your style. But it's already been confirmed Anet will never allow the sale of gold so the point is moot. Last edited by Knightsaber Sith; Nov 18, 2006 at 08:49 AM // 08:49..

Nov 18, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44	#20
Kuldebar Valiturus Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Garden City, Idaho Guild: The Order of Relumination (TOoR) Profession: R/	In my opinion, gold selling and buying make for poor players in the game. A player buys the gold, usually a fairly large amount at a time. That player then spends that gold on items in the game with out the same discretion as a player who had actually earned that amount of gold. Prices become inflated because of gold buying players. It becomes a revolving market, players buy gold and usually end up spending the gold on roughly the same things which in turn supplies th gold which gets sold to gold buying players. The game's market signals become distorted and players that actually play the game start getting squeezed out by gold farmers. Additionally, they tend to be inexperienced or poor players. Players that tend to stay away from the more difficult aspects of the game and have little aptitude for teamwork or missions. Gold market discussion aside: I am becoming more and more convinced that people don't know how play games anymore. People rush through a game, don't do quests, run through whole zones thus skipping content and then have the audacity to say they are bored. Gold buying is part of this whole silliness, but the trend of rushing through is also part of the problem. Why the hell you in such a hurry? Last edited by Kuldebar Valiturus; Nov 18, 2006 at 08:48 AM // 08:48..

Nov 17, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05	#2
Samuel Anders Academy Page Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: Me/E	Both the seller and the buyer should be banned, IMO. They're both breaking the EULA. This thread will probably be locked, anyway, since none of the admins/moderators here can help with this problem.

Nov 17, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18	#3
Annoy Mous Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: Gameamp Guides [AMP] Profession: W/Mo	I don't think that the either should be permanently banned, just if they had any other marks on their accounts, a permaban would sound good to me.

Nov 17, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21	#4
Aera Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm] Profession: E/	Don't buy accounts...you know you're breaking the rules there. Take the risk, witness the consequences.

Nov 17, 2006, 10:55 PM // 22:55	#6
Kuldebar Valiturus Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Garden City, Idaho Guild: The Order of Relumination (TOoR) Profession: R/	While coming back from robbing a bank someone rear ended me and drove away from the scene of the accident! I best go to the police to report them, eh?

Nov 17, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40	#8
Kais Unduli Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Room V	Everyone should know already that buying/selling accounts is wrong. Don't know how it's not common knowledge by now.

Nov 18, 2006, 03:34 AM // 03:34	#11
Tentigers Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: E/N	I wont defend my guild leader, even he knows it was a stupid thing to do. But, this is what I found out since I made the post; Seller sold the account to 5 or 6 people for anywhere from 10K to 100K each, price varied. After each sale....he filed a Violation report on the buyer saying he was hacked. Re accessed the account (because the buyer cant change the password without the cd code) and deleted everything. Remade all 6 or 8 PVP characters, then resold again. Another buyer, he reports them, deletes everything....remakes....then sells again. It seems theres a loophole in ANET policies. If this guy reports a violation after each sale, he doesnt get banned because he saying its hackers. And of course ANET investigates LOL more like blindly banning the people PS the seller of the account in question HAS NOT been banned

Nov 18, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06	#12
sykoone Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Mystical Chaos Profession: E/	If the seller hasn't been banned, then someone needs to come up with screenshots of him selling the acconut, and handing over the access info. Then turn that over to Anet support to get the guy banned.

Nov 18, 2006, 05:33 AM // 05:33	#13
Phaern Majes Desert Nomad Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Anywhere but up Guild: The Panserbjorne [ROAR] Profession: R/Mo	Problem with that is, the guy won't turn over the info until you pay him for it, and once you do that you're violating EULA yourself. All you have to do is screenshot them spamming "WTS Account for 100k" or however much and send that in. They aren't allowed to even try to sell accounts. A guy in my guild was trying to sell his buddy key that came with NF. He was perma banned the next day, he didn't even manage to sell the key. I'm not saying Anet was in the wrong, I'm just pointing out all you have to do is try to sell it, and they can ban you for it.

Nov 18, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10	#14
Bmont3779 Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Lions Arch Profession: Me/	personaly this is an other example of how anets banning policies dont work. If the same person (did he use the some account) is constantly reporting to anet that he got hacked (i mean it would "raise" a red flag in my book), but what im saying is anet must just look at the complaint and say, "humm...ok, well he hacked, so he gets banded. Im not trying to defend that guild leader ( he was at falt as well). All im saying is anet needs to change their policies on sorting out problems. Thats the only problem i have with anet, and i wish i could talk to one of them in person to have them explain how the settle compaints. o well....

Nov 18, 2006, 06:22 AM // 06:22	#15
Phantom Flux Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New York City Guild: Phantom Flux (FLUX) Profession: A/	I believe ANET should allow people to buy gold or whatever off the internet. Most people who argue against this say it's wrong because it would ruin the market. Well not thee market, but their market. Most players want to rip off one another by selling something rare worth 10 to 20k for 100k + more which means a lot of our time sold to something that isn't worth that much of value. So it's NOT that this is a matter of what is wrong or right, but what is convenient and not. I feel the Guild Leader was very stupid for even consulting ANET on the matter. HELLO!!! Yeah what that person did to you was screwed up, but everyone, especially a Guild leader with so much experience should already know that mentioning that you did such a trade is like making your own drug-bust based off GW (odd) Policies. Just to add that anyone that sell their account for imaginary-video game gold is just wasting a lot of time. If you know how to market your items, or just market better you can make a lot of gold in not a lot of time. It's called common sense. lol

Nov 18, 2006, 07:14 AM // 07:14	#17
Phantom Flux Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New York City Guild: Phantom Flux (FLUX) Profession: A/	As I said, convenience. It's about what floats everyone's boat and mine floats for those that actually have a real life. A lot of us likes to spend time playing guild wars, but not forever. For those who don't, ok I can see where ya'll feel it's taking your only moments of doing anything away. However, it's just a game and we should be able to have it be played out in any way that makes us happy. And I say, let's allow gold to be traded for money. I hope Anet allows that one day.