Potential scam; can I report? - Guild Wars Forums

Midnight Harmony · Mar 10, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

I was just in Kamadan selling something for 15k, and a person whispered me saying he would like to see the item (a 20/20 bow string). I show it to him, and he offers me 0 gold and clicks accept. I tell him that the item is 15k and he modifies his offer to 15 gold. I then tell him I've taken screenshots and I'm going to send them to ANet. He says he made a mistake and logs off, but it was clearly no mistake. I have a few screenshots of this and was wondering, would ANet take action if I sent them the screenies?

Thomas.knbk · Mar 10, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56

Yes, you can, but I doubt they'll do anything. I reported similar jerks a few times and got no response.

holababe · Mar 10, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

You can report but he hasn't actually breached the EULA by scamming you

Franco Power · Mar 10, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

They won't do anything because:

1) It's your word against his, he can just say: "It was a mistake"
2) No one cares, PlayNC has better things to worry about (although they don't) then some persons bow string and in game gold.

Midnight Harmony · Mar 10, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09

I'm sure they have better stuff to do, but it's just the concept of someone trying to scam another player that gets under my skin. I hate people who do it, having been a victim myself but for a substantially larger sum. It's a shame this behaviour occurs, and I'm not going to report him/her, I was just wondering if it would be possible. Thanks for the fast replies people!

azrael-angel · Mar 10, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10

you can try, but imo, Anet/playNC never do anything about scammers, iv been scammed before, the good old ectos scam, took scrennshots, sent an email, told them the exact time, district, characters names, they emailed me back asking for more details....you get the idea, scamming is and always will be unbeatable, people will always do it and PlayNC will never stop them.

Loviatar · Mar 10, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35

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makosi · Mar 10, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by holababe

You can report but he hasn't actually breached the EULA by scamming you

That's true in a sense. There's no actual clause which disallows scamming or attemtpive scamming however it can be considered 'griefing' which is against the EULA.

Still, I doubt they'd do much although they might have a 'marker' system whereby they note accounts' misbehaviour. If the attemptive scammer was persistent then the support team would pick up on it and take action, I think.

MrTickle · Mar 10, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

If random people come up to me and offer something that i never asked for or wanted then I always click accept without offering any money just to annoy them. And to see if they stupidly click accept too

If it were me I wouldn't bother reporting. You'd be wasting your time

L|S >+>+G+<+< · Mar 10, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

Agreed, you could complain but then you'd probably get more frustrated at anets lack of response.

I've been scammed too in the past, took screenshot, dates, times, names etc etc & seemingly nothing happened.

I know they won't come back to us about what they do, ie. talk to the violator etc but it'd be nice to get even a response saying that the person concerned has been spoken to.

That wouldn't take muuch to do would it now anet ? and it might appease the aggro'd player who got scammed.

holababe · Mar 10, 2007, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by makosi

Still, I doubt they'd do much although they might have a 'marker' system whereby they note accounts' misbehaviour. If the attemptive scammer was persistent then the support team would pick up on it and take action, I think.

That's what they do have. They've said they have 'account marks'. It follows logically that there are ones that don't impose a ban.

Kook~NBK~ · Mar 10, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Despite all of the contrary opinions, go ahead and report the scumbag. If you've got the screen shots, there's no question of him/her trying to rip you off. It may be the person's first attempt at scammming (Hah!), or his 100th, so they may get a 24 hour ban, or something a bit longer. The fact that you'll never know for sure shouldn't deter you. Just be glad to know that you did the right thing whether A-Net does or not.

Coloneh · Mar 10, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22

you can, but then youd just be stupid, because its not against the EULA

*Darcy* · Mar 10, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26

As stated, ANet does not notify the reporting player(s) of any actions taken, so quite often players think nothing was done and it is useless to report anything.

Not so, if you accummulate enough small violations, you will get punished. So, keep reporting. Also, the Rules of Conduct first item is:

"While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

Loviatar · Mar 10, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Coloneh

you can, but then youd just be stupid, because its not against the EULA

WRONG

THIS COVERS SCAMMING

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While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.

darkk wound · Mar 11, 2007, 12:44 AM // 00:44

loviater thats just something they have to put in the game. anet wont do anything nor do they care. nor do i care about this guy "nearly getting scammed".

if you have been scammed or was nearly scammed its your own fault guildwars trade meathod is 100% if you click "modify" then click "accept" without checking first its your own fault !

oh this is the funiest thing i have read in ages LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

judgedread33 · Mar 11, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51

most of the time anet doesnt care about ign scams, they realy only care if it is a bot,third party program...etc

Loviatar · Mar 11, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkk wound

loviater thats just something they have to put in the game. anet wont do anything nor do they care. nor do i care about this guy "nearly getting scammed".

lets see..............

who to believe............

i have the choice between GAILE GRAY stating that all reports sent in are investigated and appropriate action taken as indicated.

or .............

someone like you .

GAILE BY A LANDSLIDE

Crazyvietguy · Mar 11, 2007, 12:59 AM // 00:59

And.. this is why we pay attention so we don't get scammed.. close please

Midnight Harmony · Mar 11, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazyvietguy

And.. this is why we pay attention so we don't get scammed.. close please

Read below.

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkk wound

loviater thats just something they have to put in the game. anet wont do anything nor do they care. nor do i care about this guy "nearly getting scammed".

if you have been scammed or was nearly scammed its your own fault guildwars trade meathod is 100% if you click "modify" then click "accept" without checking first its your own fault !

oh this is the funiest thing i have read in ages LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you not read? I didn't get scammed, I merely took screenies of him trying to scam me, and was wondering what ANet's stance is on the issue at hand.

Mar 10, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41	#1
Midnight Harmony Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South East England Guild: Everlasting Sacred Path [ESP] Profession: E/Me	Potential scam; can I report? I was just in Kamadan selling something for 15k, and a person whispered me saying he would like to see the item (a 20/20 bow string). I show it to him, and he offers me 0 gold and clicks accept. I tell him that the item is 15k and he modifies his offer to 15 gold. I then tell him I've taken screenshots and I'm going to send them to ANet. He says he made a mistake and logs off, but it was clearly no mistake. I have a few screenshots of this and was wondering, would ANet take action if I sent them the screenies?

Mar 10, 2007, 09:56 PM // 21:56	#2
Thomas.knbk Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006	Yes, you can, but I doubt they'll do anything. I reported similar jerks a few times and got no response.

Mar 10, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58	#3
holababe Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: Goon Squad [LLJK] Profession: Mo/	You can report but he hasn't actually breached the EULA by scamming you

Mar 10, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02	#4
Franco Power Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Profession: W/	They won't do anything because: 1) It's your word against his, he can just say: "It was a mistake" 2) No one cares, PlayNC has better things to worry about (although they don't) then some persons bow string and in game gold.

Mar 10, 2007, 10:09 PM // 22:09	#5
Midnight Harmony Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South East England Guild: Everlasting Sacred Path [ESP] Profession: E/Me	I'm sure they have better stuff to do, but it's just the concept of someone trying to scam another player that gets under my skin. I hate people who do it, having been a victim myself but for a substantially larger sum. It's a shame this behaviour occurs, and I'm not going to report him/her, I was just wondering if it would be possible. Thanks for the fast replies people!

Mar 10, 2007, 10:10 PM // 22:10	#6
azrael-angel Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Sep 2006 Guild: Sword Of Justice Profession: W/N	you can try, but imo, Anet/playNC never do anything about scammers, iv been scammed before, the good old ectos scam, took scrennshots, sent an email, told them the exact time, district, characters names, they emailed me back asking for more details....you get the idea, scamming is and always will be unbeatable, people will always do it and PlayNC will never stop them.

Mar 10, 2007, 10:35 PM // 22:35	#7
Loviatar Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Feb 2005	Reporting Violations Question How do I report violations? Answer If you encounter any players who you believe violate our guidelines with inappropriate actions, vulgar language, offensive character or guild names, advertising of cheats or exploits, or any breaches of our User Agreement or Rules of Conduct, we'd like to know about it. Please note the details of the situation and use our online help tool's Ask a Question form at http://www.guildwars.com/support/ to inform us of the violation. Here are some examples of violation details that you should send along with your report: The name of the character being reported The name of the character you were playing at the time of the encounter The time of the incident (with time zone) The name of the map zone where the incident took place (or even the location within the zone) A description of the offending action, dialogue, or name A screenshot of the incident (please ensure any screenshots are in JPEG/.jpg or GIF/.gif format and under 2 megabytes in size before you attach them to your message) Any other details that you feel are relevant We will use the information you have provided to investigate whether a violation of the rules has occurred. If we do find any rules have been broken, we will take action. However, due to our Privacy Policy (http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...cy-policy.php), we will not be able to provide you with any details of the investigation. This means that we will not be able to confirm if any action was, or was not, taken. This is because all information related to the discovery and disciplining of an account will only be discussed between the violator and customer support. Please be assured that the Guild Wars team takes User Agreement and Rules of Conduct violations very seriously. We thank you in advance for helping us maintain an enjoyable playing environment.

Mar 10, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56	#9
MrTickle Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: delete this account Profession: N/	If random people come up to me and offer something that i never asked for or wanted then I always click accept without offering any money just to annoy them. And to see if they stupidly click accept too If it were me I wouldn't bother reporting. You'd be wasting your time

Mar 10, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02	#10
L\|S >+>+G+<+< Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006	Agreed, you could complain but then you'd probably get more frustrated at anets lack of response. I've been scammed too in the past, took screenshot, dates, times, names etc etc & seemingly nothing happened. I know they won't come back to us about what they do, ie. talk to the violator etc but it'd be nice to get even a response saying that the person concerned has been spoken to. That wouldn't take muuch to do would it now anet ? and it might appease the aggro'd player who got scammed.

Mar 10, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12	#12
Kook~NBK~ Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: A little chalet outside Drok's Guild: Natural Born Killaz	Despite all of the contrary opinions, go ahead and report the scumbag. If you've got the screen shots, there's no question of him/her trying to rip you off. It may be the person's first attempt at scammming (Hah!), or his 100th, so they may get a 24 hour ban, or something a bit longer. The fact that you'll never know for sure shouldn't deter you. Just be glad to know that you did the right thing whether A-Net does or not.

Mar 10, 2007, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#13
Coloneh Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Profession: D/W	you can, but then youd just be stupid, because its not against the EULA

Mar 10, 2007, 11:26 PM // 23:26	#14
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	As stated, ANet does not notify the reporting player(s) of any actions taken, so quite often players think nothing was done and it is useless to report anything. Not so, if you accummulate enough small violations, you will get punished. So, keep reporting. Also, the Rules of Conduct first item is: "While playing Guild Wars, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players."

Mar 11, 2007, 12:44 AM // 00:44	#16
darkk wound Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: united kingdom Profession: E/Me	loviater thats just something they have to put in the game. anet wont do anything nor do they care. nor do i care about this guy "nearly getting scammed". if you have been scammed or was nearly scammed its your own fault guildwars trade meathod is 100% if you click "modify" then click "accept" without checking first its your own fault ! oh this is the funiest thing i have read in ages LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mar 11, 2007, 12:51 AM // 00:51	#17
judgedread33 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia, Crikey! Guild: PwnD, plesure wreckin noob donors Profession: E/Me	most of the time anet doesnt care about ign scams, they realy only care if it is a bot,third party program...etc

Mar 11, 2007, 12:59 AM // 00:59	#19
Crazyvietguy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: [Njk] Profession: Rt/	And.. this is why we pay attention so we don't get scammed.. close please