Is this a scam? - Guild Wars Forums

ropes782 · Apr 28, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Ok, so today I was selling an item in kamadan (specifics arnt needed) and I got accused of a scam.

What happened:
1. I was spamming to sell my item.
2. random_guy1 offered a price on my item.
3. I told random_guy1 "deal" to his offer.
4. We put items in trade window when random_guy2 offered for my item.
5. random_guy2 offered more than random_guy1.
6. I told random_guy1 "someone just offered more, sorry"
7. I sell item to random_guy2.

Now random_guy1 is calling me a scammer and said he had screenshots and was reporting to anet. to me, this sounds dumb cause i didnt trick or swindle either players in any way (which i thought was the definition of a scam).

am i wrong here? should i be worried about him reporting me?

Evilsod · Apr 28, 2007, 01:12 AM // 01:12

random_guy1 is an idiot.

And Anet do jackshit to scammers even if they actually have done something wrong anyway.

Dmc1281 · Apr 28, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I wouldn't use the word scammer, however that was not nice.

You agreed to sell it to guy 1, even if someone offers more, at that point you suck it up and sell it to the one you had a deal with first.

I've been there and I have sold it for less money because that is what I have agreed to.

Arkantos · Apr 28, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Lol..no, it's not a scam, and ANet won't do anything about it.

Marcell · Apr 28, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

As long as you didn't take his money, your in the clear. I hope he does send that to Anet, so they set him straight.

countesscorpula · Apr 28, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16

Not a scam, but not good trade etiquette either.

Once you said "deal" to the one guy, you pretty much made a deal for a trade. If he showed up to the trade window and tride to offer you less, or asked you to wait for X amount of time, that wasn't part of the arrangement, and you can feel free to back out. But it's just poor trading manners to agree to sell something and then pull out afer you met and set up the trade window. Did he put less money in the trade window than what you said "deal" to? So, though you may not be a scammer, you aren't exactly a trader worthy of respect. You may have made more money, but you lost some credibility.

holababe · Apr 28, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

The scam here revolves around you pretending to get higher bids to artificially drive up the price.

But you didn't so you won't get banned.

Godo th great · Apr 28, 2007, 04:17 AM // 04:17

I would agree that this isn't a scam but very poor trading manners. One variation someone tried to involve me with was random spammer 1 accepted my bid on a mini and wouldn't open the trade with me but kept asking me to join his team. I hit accept and find him and another person on the team and then he says let the bidding begin. I told him I don't trade that way and left. Was he trying to scam? Maybe, maybe not. How do I know though that the other person wasn't a guildie? To me it just isn't worth the chance.

holababe · Apr 28, 2007, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Godo th great

How do I know though that the other person wasn't a guildie? To me it just isn't worth the chance.

Because you could have looked at their guild tags?

Isileth · Apr 28, 2007, 07:40 AM // 07:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by holababe

Because you could have looked at their guild tags?

Even then can be a friend, alliance member etc. Its wise to be very careful of any trading this is anymore complicated then it should be.

darkk wound · Apr 28, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05

he got gerzumped fair play to the OPoster

lakatz · Apr 30, 2007, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by Marcell

As long as you didn't take his money, your in the clear. I hope he does send that to Anet, so they set him straight.

He doesn't need setting straight. The OP needs setting straight about keeping his word and the importance thereof. He said "deal." But he didn't keep his end of the deal.

Smile Like Umean It · Apr 30, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21

It isn't a scam, but you have poor trading ethics.

Not sure I'd want to ever trade with you.

SlippyJack · Apr 30, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Ya, I hate guys like you. Get some intergrity for goodness sakes.

Trakata · Apr 30, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

It's not a scam, but as a businessman I personally hate when people do that to me. random_guy1 has a right to be pissed, but you didn't scam him.

Tannim · Apr 30, 2007, 03:42 AM // 03:42

Well, your on a few blacklist thanks to your corrupt dealings. You made a deal, and backed out of it. There's a reason for people like you getting run out of towns in real life

Since you admitted your a bad person .. well, thanks for letting everybody know.

Lothlorian Sassun · Apr 30, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

This a Market Economy and always take the highest price you can get for an item. You didn't scam anybody and did exactly what i would have done. I don't know how many times I have posted an item in chat with the exact description of the item and price and the buyer will agree to the that price. When the trade window is open they want to barter and get me to sell lower. Most of the time i just close the window. So what goes around comes around. You did not break the EULA so even if they guy does report you nothing will happen cause you broke no rules.

On the down side of that note buyer #2 might do what i mentioned above and you would have lost the sale from buyer #1. But all is fair on an open market so you take the good with the bad.

Tannim · Apr 30, 2007, 03:50 AM // 03:50

Thats not exactly true. They both made a deal. He choose to back out of it because he is a greedy person. What you mentioned, when someone tried to barter .. did not happen in this case.

Not only did he lose the buyer #1, but many other people who choose not to deal with greedy, corrupt people.

HawkofStorms · Apr 30, 2007, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Greedy? Corrupt?
Wow guys, way to overexagerate. He did nothing wrong. I'm more ticked off about the people who undercut people in guru auctions then this.

Tannim · Apr 30, 2007, 04:01 AM // 04:01

Ref: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/greed

What he did, fit the definition of greed, exactly. I dont know. I hate greedy people. Some people don't. But I prefer people with morals and values.

Apr 30, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49	#15
Trakata Crimson King Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Resplendent Makuun Guild: Song of the Forsaken	It's not a scam, but as a businessman I personally hate when people do that to me. random_guy1 has a right to be pissed, but you didn't scam him. __________________ Off-Topic/Ventari Moderator "Let me enlighten you; this is the way I pray."

Apr 28, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05	#1
ropes782 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Friends of Sanity [LOCO] Profession: R/Me	Is this a scam? Ok, so today I was selling an item in kamadan (specifics arnt needed) and I got accused of a scam. What happened: 1. I was spamming to sell my item. 2. random_guy1 offered a price on my item. 3. I told random_guy1 "deal" to his offer. 4. We put items in trade window when random_guy2 offered for my item. 5. random_guy2 offered more than random_guy1. 6. I told random_guy1 "someone just offered more, sorry" 7. I sell item to random_guy2. Now random_guy1 is calling me a scammer and said he had screenshots and was reporting to anet. to me, this sounds dumb cause i didnt trick or swindle either players in any way (which i thought was the definition of a scam). am i wrong here? should i be worried about him reporting me?

Apr 28, 2007, 01:12 AM // 01:12	#2
Evilsod Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: England Guild: Lievs Death Squad [LDS]	random_guy1 is an idiot. And Anet do jackshit to scammers even if they actually have done something wrong anyway.

Apr 28, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13	#3
Dmc1281 Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: HOBO Profession: R/E	I wouldn't use the word scammer, however that was not nice. You agreed to sell it to guy 1, even if someone offers more, at that point you suck it up and sell it to the one you had a deal with first. I've been there and I have sold it for less money because that is what I have agreed to.

Apr 28, 2007, 01:13 AM // 01:13	#4
Arkantos The Greatest Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: W/	Lol..no, it's not a scam, and ANet won't do anything about it.

Apr 28, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14	#5
Marcell Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Rise Of Randomness Profession: R/W	As long as you didn't take his money, your in the clear. I hope he does send that to Anet, so they set him straight.

Apr 28, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16	#6
countesscorpula Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Gwen Is [EVIL] Profession: N/	Not a scam, but not good trade etiquette either. Once you said "deal" to the one guy, you pretty much made a deal for a trade. If he showed up to the trade window and tride to offer you less, or asked you to wait for X amount of time, that wasn't part of the arrangement, and you can feel free to back out. But it's just poor trading manners to agree to sell something and then pull out afer you met and set up the trade window. Did he put less money in the trade window than what you said "deal" to? So, though you may not be a scammer, you aren't exactly a trader worthy of respect. You may have made more money, but you lost some credibility.

Apr 28, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#7
holababe Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: Goon Squad [LLJK] Profession: Mo/	The scam here revolves around you pretending to get higher bids to artificially drive up the price. But you didn't so you won't get banned.

Apr 28, 2007, 04:17 AM // 04:17	#8
Godo th great Academy Page Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Hall of the great mountain king Profession: Mo/N	I would agree that this isn't a scam but very poor trading manners. One variation someone tried to involve me with was random spammer 1 accepted my bid on a mini and wouldn't open the trade with me but kept asking me to join his team. I hit accept and find him and another person on the team and then he says let the bidding begin. I told him I don't trade that way and left. Was he trying to scam? Maybe, maybe not. How do I know though that the other person wasn't a guildie? To me it just isn't worth the chance.

Apr 28, 2007, 11:05 AM // 11:05	#11
darkk wound Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: united kingdom Profession: E/Me	he got gerzumped fair play to the OPoster

Apr 30, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21	#13
Smile Like Umean It Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: E/Rt	It isn't a scam, but you have poor trading ethics. Not sure I'd want to ever trade with you.

Apr 30, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23	#14
SlippyJack Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: Clan Dethryche [dth] Profession: W/R	Ya, I hate guys like you. Get some intergrity for goodness sakes.

Apr 30, 2007, 03:42 AM // 03:42	#16
Tannim Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007	Well, your on a few blacklist thanks to your corrupt dealings. You made a deal, and backed out of it. There's a reason for people like you getting run out of towns in real life Since you admitted your a bad person .. well, thanks for letting everybody know.

Apr 30, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46	#17
Lothlorian Sassun Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: Dragonestos Profession: N/	This a Market Economy and always take the highest price you can get for an item. You didn't scam anybody and did exactly what i would have done. I don't know how many times I have posted an item in chat with the exact description of the item and price and the buyer will agree to the that price. When the trade window is open they want to barter and get me to sell lower. Most of the time i just close the window. So what goes around comes around. You did not break the EULA so even if they guy does report you nothing will happen cause you broke no rules. On the down side of that note buyer #2 might do what i mentioned above and you would have lost the sale from buyer #1. But all is fair on an open market so you take the good with the bad.

Apr 30, 2007, 03:50 AM // 03:50	#18
Tannim Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007	Thats not exactly true. They both made a deal. He choose to back out of it because he is a greedy person. What you mentioned, when someone tried to barter .. did not happen in this case. Not only did he lose the buyer #1, but many other people who choose not to deal with greedy, corrupt people.

Apr 30, 2007, 03:57 AM // 03:57	#19
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Greedy? Corrupt? Wow guys, way to overexagerate. He did nothing wrong. I'm more ticked off about the people who undercut people in guru auctions then this.

Apr 30, 2007, 04:01 AM // 04:01	#20
Tannim Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007	Ref: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/greed What he did, fit the definition of greed, exactly. I dont know. I hate greedy people. Some people don't. But I prefer people with morals and values.