Spamming question - Guild Wars Forums

cebalrai · Jun 13, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

The code of conduct states that "spamming of any kind is not allowed". Does this mean we cannot spam WTS in trade chat as well? Doing so seems to violate the code of conduct...

Sneaky Mitch · Jun 13, 2007, 01:29 PM // 13:29

You can do that.

don't worry about it.

cebalrai · Jun 13, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

Hopefully they will update the rules then. I don't want to get suspended for spamming WTS Air Staff again.

Patrick Smit · Jun 13, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

You can message 'WTS product X' in trade channel, you can repost it once it is quite some lines (or time) ago that you posted it.

You can't SPAM:

Meaning either

WTS X
WTS X
etc.

or message your advertisement each 5-10 seconds

I think your questions should actually be: what is the definition of spamming. I assume one thing, but how do other people think it is defined?

I hope this clear things up for you?

Sophitia Leafblade · Jun 13, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

Or maybe you could stop spamming

and u wont get banned

Roshi_ikkyu · Jun 13, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Hopefully they will update the rules then. I don't want to get suspended for spamming WTS Air Staff again.

Here is an idea then: Use the party search feature, and limit your WTS announcment to once every 15-20 secs

Roshi_ikkyu · Jun 13, 2007, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Okay, thanks for calling me a name for asking an honest question. I guess this is the kind of community GW has.

You bring a quote from the code of conduct.

I'm sure you heard about Anets latest update notes about spamming, and there efforts tor reduce it.

You even mentioned it seemed to violate the conduct.

Now perhaps you can understand why!

You came knowing it was wrong, offered your own answer; and yet still wanted to get an answer.

Thats pretty stupid to me.

Yaga Philipe · Jun 13, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50

I don't and Anet doesn't have a problem with sending your message in Trade chat every 10-15 seconds really. The ones that are annoying are the ones in local chat and the ones that post their message 5 times in a row and also get rid of other people's messages by doing so.

Etta · Jun 13, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51

Why don't you try the buy/sell section and auction here in guru? They're way better than wasting time selling in game, I've been using it for sometime. Very good for a piece of mind.

Aera Lure · Jun 13, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

The code of conduct states that "spamming of any kind is not allowed". Does this mean we cannot spam WTS in trade chat as well? Doing so seems to violate the code of conduct...

Placing sales related messages on Trade channel does not equate to spamming. Repeating your message 3+ times in a row on any channel clearly is spamming, as is placing WTS messages on the All Channel.

Its not rocket science.

cebalrai · Jun 13, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

I was suspended for WTSing items in Kamadan 1, just as I've done for the past 2 years (maybe in lions/Kaineng/etc). The funny thing is that I havent even set foot in Kamadan or done anything other than pvp for the past 2-3 weeks.

I think Anet needs to post on their website, or as a login message that they're cracking down on WTS spam in all chat. There are still hordes of people who do it, largely because they're not aware that after years of playing that it's no longer condoned by Anet (and yes, not giving us a real economic transaction system means they codone mass WTS messages).

PS - Roshi, thanks for the negative, needless BS posts.

Roshi_ikkyu · Jun 13, 2007, 01:59 PM // 13:59

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

I was suspended for WTSing items in Kamadan 1, just as I've done for the past 2 years (maybe in lions/Kaineng/etc). The funny thing is that I havent even set foot in Kamadan or done anything other than pvp for the past 2-3 weeks.

I think Anet needs to post on their website, or as a login message that they're cracking down on WTS spam in all chat. There are still hordes of people who do it, largely because they're not aware that after years of playing that it's no longer condoned by Anet (and yes, not giving us a real economic transaction system means they codone mass WTS messages).

PS - Roshi, thanks for the negative, needless BS posts.

So was ur suspension deserved? Do u spam?

My comments are starting to look founded.

Twinsoul · Jun 13, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

Stop trying to justify spamming. There is no way you can. Spamming should not be the normal course of action for any player, so the ones that do deserve what Anet does to them. Simple as that.

cebalrai · Jun 13, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Aera Lure

Placing sales related messages on Trade channel does not equate to spamming. Repeating your message 3+ times in a row on any channel clearly is spamming, as is placing WTS messages on the All Channel.

Its not rocket science.

Anet needs to change their spam blocker thing then. Right now you can post 3 times in a row before the game calls it spam. Since the game defines what is spam and blocks it, it implies that anything less is okay. Otherwise why doesn't the game only allow single posts?

Also, spamming means you get the attention of more buyers compared to non spammers. If your messages are all over the place compared to everyone else's, they get viewed more. Therefore, sellers have a financial incentive here... A non-neanderthal trade system would solve the problem.

I also use the trade finder thingy, but about 1% of people actually use it, so it's not helpful.

cebalrai · Jun 13, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by Twinsoul

Stop trying to justify spamming. There is no way you can. Spamming should not be the normal course of action for any player, so the ones that do deserve what Anet does to them. Simple as that.

Well, I don't regret it at all really. I made 1.5 million gold by just chest farming and spamming WTS for a few months (that was back before the economy was screwed up).

Also, I will justify it by saying that until there is an auction house or something like that, GW is so poorly designed that it pushes players toward spamming. It's the only real option they give us for selling things. I could make one WTS message every 20 seconds, which is 1) a monumental waste of time, and 2) not fun since it means I have to sit around WTS-ing like three times longer than the already silly amount of time you have to invest in selling things in this game.

Patrick Smit · Jun 13, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Well, I don't regret it at all really. I made 1.5 million gold by just chest farming and spamming WTS for a few months (that was back before the economy was screwed up).

Also, I will justify it by saying that until there is an auction house or something like that, GW is so poorly designed that it pushes players toward spamming. It's the only real option they give us for selling things. I could make one WTS message every 20 seconds, which is 1) a monumental waste of time, and 2) not fun since it means I have to sit around WTS-ing like three times longer than the already silly amount of time you have to invest in selling things in this game.

You really think the amount of lines messaged is positively and linearly correlating to how fast u sell an item?

No, there so much more parameters that will make an item being sold fast. Nice price, rarety, description, spamming or actually not (i in general don't buy from spammers)., and probably much more.

Melei Hawke · Jun 13, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

Actually, those of us who hate the spammers will look at the party search window and then trade window first when we are looking for something to buy. I find the party search window to be the most convenient and it is sad that it is not used more than it is. I can search all open districts at the same time...how that concept has escaped the sellers is beyond me. Even as short as the thread is, if there is something I am interested in it is easy to whisper and ask questions.

Most of the time I search the auction site here, I know it is slow but it is still far superior to the spam and trying to sift through all the garbage in general chat.

Unfortunately, the most common mindset I see with the people that spam is that they have rationalized to the point where they feel it is their right to spam, think it is their only option and that the rest of us are jerks to want it to stop. Spam has never been ok. It has never been the acceptable means of selling nor been condoned by a-net. Spammers have been allowed to get away with it far too long so they feel it is "acceptable" or their right.

I for one applaud a-net for listening to the rest of us and cracking down on spam, particulary in the all chat window. If you did read what Gaile said, they are going to concentrated on all chat at this time, not trade chat. However, if traders are forced to use the tools provided them, they are going to have to figure out what will work and I can guaranty you that spam will not be your solution.

mr_groovy · Jun 13, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Actually, those of us who hate the spammers will look at the party search window and then trade window first when we are looking for something to buy

If Gaile you are reading this thread pls Improve the character count in Party search for trading!!!!! That would solve 1/2 of our problems already. It was suggested ages ago. Does it really clog up some much server bandwith/ space that it isn't possible to do?

Aera Lure · Jun 13, 2007, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

Anet needs to change their spam blocker thing then. Right now you can post 3 times in a row before the game calls it spam. Since the game defines what is spam and blocks it, it implies that anything less is okay. Otherwise why doesn't the game only allow single posts?

Then they should switch it to any repitition of a messaage within a certain interval as being defined as spam. I was simply generalizing what spam was in one of its iterations, ie message repitition. Channel context is the other. Obviously you have to repeat a messaage eventually, just never a need in raapid succession. Ever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cebalrai

Also, spamming means you get the attention of more buyers compared to non spammers. If your messages are all over the place compared to everyone else's, they get viewed more. Therefore, sellers have a financial incentive here... A non-neanderthal trade system would solve the problem.

Lol. No. Ever been a buyer? If you are seeking an item, or browsing, you're reading chaannels. Repitition doesnt do anything at all to increase sales. If the seller repeats every 30 seconds to a minute, you are still going to read that sales line many times while seeking what you wish to buy. If anything, repitition caaused by spam coverage only annoys. As a seller, I have sold my wares easily aand quickly without ever once needing to spam or place ads on the All channel.

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Originally Posted by cebalrai

I also use the trade finder thingy, but about 1% of people actually use it, so it's not helpful.

It needs global implementation or at least the ability to remember what you type in it so it stays there when you move to another locale. For the trade section one should also have the ability to list say five line items or so, not just one. This, however, has no bearing on spamming or the actions of sellers on channels.

Patrick Smit · Jun 13, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

even if there would be a financial incentive to spam, the rule was and is, that spam is not allowed.

There is also financial incentive to commit bankrobberies and other villainous crimes, it doesnt mean that they should be used as methods of gaining money and yes they are still illegal (and therefore punishable).

Jun 13, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23	#1
cebalrai Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Mature Gaming Association Profession: Me/E	Spamming question The code of conduct states that "spamming of any kind is not allowed". Does this mean we cannot spam WTS in trade chat as well? Doing so seems to violate the code of conduct...

Jun 13, 2007, 01:29 PM // 13:29	#2
Sneaky Mitch Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2007	You can do that. don't worry about it.

Jun 13, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31	#3
cebalrai Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Mature Gaming Association Profession: Me/E	Hopefully they will update the rules then. I don't want to get suspended for spamming WTS Air Staff again.

Jun 13, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34	#4
Patrick Smit Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: NiTe	You can message 'WTS product X' in trade channel, you can repost it once it is quite some lines (or time) ago that you posted it. You can't SPAM: Meaning either WTS X WTS X etc. or message your advertisement each 5-10 seconds I think your questions should actually be: what is the definition of spamming. I assume one thing, but how do other people think it is defined? I hope this clear things up for you?

Jun 13, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34	#5
Sophitia Leafblade Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Guild: Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG] Profession: R/	Or maybe you could stop spamming and u wont get banned

Jun 13, 2007, 01:50 PM // 13:50	#8
Yaga Philipe Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Insanity Guild: Vis Decus Vertus [vDv] Profession: R/	I don't and Anet doesn't have a problem with sending your message in Trade chat every 10-15 seconds really. The ones that are annoying are the ones in local chat and the ones that post their message 5 times in a row and also get rid of other people's messages by doing so.

Jun 13, 2007, 01:51 PM // 13:51	#9
Etta Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mancland, British Empire	Why don't you try the buy/sell section and auction here in guru? They're way better than wasting time selling in game, I've been using it for sometime. Very good for a piece of mind.

Jun 13, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55	#11
cebalrai Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Mature Gaming Association Profession: Me/E	I was suspended for WTSing items in Kamadan 1, just as I've done for the past 2 years (maybe in lions/Kaineng/etc). The funny thing is that I havent even set foot in Kamadan or done anything other than pvp for the past 2-3 weeks. I think Anet needs to post on their website, or as a login message that they're cracking down on WTS spam in all chat. There are still hordes of people who do it, largely because they're not aware that after years of playing that it's no longer condoned by Anet (and yes, not giving us a real economic transaction system means they codone mass WTS messages). PS - Roshi, thanks for the negative, needless BS posts.

Jun 13, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01	#13
Twinsoul Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Guild: Rogue Clan [Rg] Profession: Mo/N	Stop trying to justify spamming. There is no way you can. Spamming should not be the normal course of action for any player, so the ones that do deserve what Anet does to them. Simple as that.

Jun 13, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29	#17
Melei Hawke Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: SoF Profession: R/Mo	Actually, those of us who hate the spammers will look at the party search window and then trade window first when we are looking for something to buy. I find the party search window to be the most convenient and it is sad that it is not used more than it is. I can search all open districts at the same time...how that concept has escaped the sellers is beyond me. Even as short as the thread is, if there is something I am interested in it is easy to whisper and ask questions. Most of the time I search the auction site here, I know it is slow but it is still far superior to the spam and trying to sift through all the garbage in general chat. Unfortunately, the most common mindset I see with the people that spam is that they have rationalized to the point where they feel it is their right to spam, think it is their only option and that the rest of us are jerks to want it to stop. Spam has never been ok. It has never been the acceptable means of selling nor been condoned by a-net. Spammers have been allowed to get away with it far too long so they feel it is "acceptable" or their right. I for one applaud a-net for listening to the rest of us and cracking down on spam, particulary in the all chat window. If you did read what Gaile said, they are going to concentrated on all chat at this time, not trade chat. However, if traders are forced to use the tools provided them, they are going to have to figure out what will work and I can guaranty you that spam will not be your solution.

Jun 13, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31	#20
Patrick Smit Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: NiTe	even if there would be a financial incentive to spam, the rule was and is, that spam is not allowed. There is also financial incentive to commit bankrobberies and other villainous crimes, it doesnt mean that they should be used as methods of gaining money and yes they are still illegal (and therefore punishable).