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HawkofStorms · Jul 14, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I'm more disturbed that some sick freak is actually willing to PAY somebody to do this. I'm not surprised people sabatoge guilds, a lot of people get sick pleasure for griefing others, but to actually "hire" other people to grief for you is a whole new level of pysciopath.

divinechancellor · Jul 14, 2007, 05:09 AM // 05:09

It happened to us (Revenant Crew[cryx]), and if it was caused by one of these "mercenaries" then it's a big problem. Our guild is responding to the issue in the most drastic way i can imagine: promote everyone to officer status so there's nobody that can be kicked. It's kinda funny.

Traveller · Jul 14, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34

No one should be given officer status in 2-3 days from their arrival. That's your (or your officer's) mistake right there. Even though if you know it, there is bound to be people who don't and like you said, get their guilds demolished as a result.

Sure, I'm not saying someone could have a bad day and turn out to be a butthole even after a long time.. but who is the more likely to be a "spy", guy you met 2-3 days ago or a guy who has been with the guild 2-3 months? (takes some serious GW lore dedication if it's the latter one!)

Kas · Jul 14, 2007, 12:47 PM // 12:47

<3 Guru.
Someone posts a legit warning. Guru doesn't care about the warning. But cares plenty about bashing the OP.

JeniM · Jul 14, 2007, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by Kas

<3 Guru.
Someone posts a legit warning. Guru doesn't care about the warning. But cares plenty about bashing the OP.

I agree
The OP has taken the time to come and warn people about this and people come here and flame him

Kinn · Jul 14, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23

Guild Wars: Serious Business

(still a lame thing to do though

)

MagmaRed · Jul 14, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27

I don't see the value in this for anyone but HIGH ranked GvG guilds, and they would be targeting specific guilds for it. If you have a guild ranked 101, and want to hit that top 100 mark, send someone to guild 100, have them do some work at destroying it, then you have an easier advancement to the top 100. But why a normal Kurzick guild would be targeted by a normal Luzon guild is beyond me. Takes a little time and money to reinvite the people, but its not hard. The amount of influence 1-5 guilds being destroyed in a week (assuming multiple sabatuers) would have on AB, FA, or JQ (like anyone does JQ anyway) is none.

As far as everyone commenting on how the OP should run his guild, I agree with them. Yes, he made a mistake, and he knows it. But talking about it makes sure other people who read this thread learn about it, and don't make it.

Officer status is a big deal, even for guilds that don't do GvG or high end PvP. Whether you actually use the position for what it can do or not, it is a status symbol, and people feel important for having it. This can result in someone becoming a pompus ass, or a dedicated servent to the guild. Be wary on promotions.

RhanoctJocosa · Jul 14, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58

It's your fault for even inviting someone you don't know well/haven't played a lot with. And no, they haven't broken any rules so don't think you're going to get them banned or anything.

Also, this IS guru after all, don't expect people to be handing you tissues because you were stupid and got screwed over.

The factions r srs business it seems.

Arnack · Jul 14, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Originally Posted by Curse You

Most of those people aren't saboteurs. They're lazy noobs who would rather use a macro/bot to get their faction than actually working for it.

The EULA. You all signed it.

(d) Member Conduct. You agree not to use the Service to:
...
(ix) "stalk" or otherwise harass another member.

I think you could count knocking out guilds as "harassing" another member.

I don't think it would fall under that category..
I mean when I'm in PvP I can pick a certain player I want to attack and kill over and over again.. but you wouldn't call that harassing.

Drakzel · Jul 14, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by JeniM

I agree
The OP has taken the time to come and warn people about this and people come here and flame him

Glad some people see my point of view...

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Originally Posted by Traveller

No one should be given officer status in 2-3 days from their arrival. That's your (or your officer's) mistake right there. Even though if you know it, there is bound to be people who don't and like you said, get their guilds demolished as a result.

Sure, I'm not saying someone could have a bad day and turn out to be a butthole even after a long time.. but who is the more likely to be a "spy", guy you met 2-3 days ago or a guy who has been with the guild 2-3 months? (takes some serious GW lore dedication if it's the latter one!)

The officer that had made the mistake I had in my guild for upward of 2 monthes, I'm well aware of not giving guild responsibilites to anyone I dont even know long enough. Just so happens my officer was deceived while I was away, I figured that randomly promoting people was just common knowledge, you don't do it without leader permission, but he wasn't aware so It's partly my fault.

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

It's your fault for even inviting someone you don't know well/haven't played a lot with. And no, they haven't broken any rules so don't think you're going to get them banned or anything.

Also, this IS guru after all, don't expect people to be handing you tissues because you were stupid and got screwed over.

The factions r srs business it seems.

Either way this thread isnt about my misfortunes, apparently RhanoctJocosa thinks im looking for sympathy, did I not already say I'm not here for comforting words and "WE WILL BAN HIM FOR YOU" reassurances? I'm just telling people to be cautious. Read the whole thread before you go into troll mode.

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Originally Posted by Arnack

I don't think it would fall under that category..
I mean when I'm in PvP I can pick a certain player I want to attack and kill over and over again.. but you wouldn't call that harassing.

Of course that isnt harassment, PVP was specifically designed to harass other players and kill them, but there is no game mode to infiltrate opposing guilds and rip them apart. This is also like saying trade scamming is perfectly ok and no one should complain because its not against rules, since trade scamming also requires deception in order to gain money. I'm sure at least one of you flamers have been scammed in a trade before, and I bet you got mad and wanted the guy banned, so your hypocritical when you call me idiotic and say I deserve what happened.

Shadow of Light · Jul 15, 2007, 05:24 AM // 05:24

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Originally Posted by Drakzel

It's typical, I come here to warn the community that I've been active in for awhile now, I use my incident as an example, and rather then getting the problem out into the public so people will be aware of it, people decide to flame and start turning this into the "Guild Management 101" topic. I don't need your advice or your help, I know how to run my guild, I just want to let people know what to look out for because I doubt hes done.

You should have seen the scorn another person received after trying to do the 'right thing' and warn people of a scam. He bought what he thought was some wintersday gifts for his daughter, and ended up with a load of useless Nightfall quest items that share the same skin. Instead of saying 'Thanks for the heads up!' people proceeded to tell him he was stupid, should have done this, should have checked that, kthxbye moron.

Your warning is appreciated. But, as the vast majority of the people posting here are GW players, you can assume the number of people who appreciate the time you've taken to post here is greatly outnumbered by those who prefer to sneer at your misfortune.

MrBlock · Jul 15, 2007, 05:58 AM // 05:58

I think thats probably a luxon thing... first guild I ever joined was the only Kurzick guild I've ever been in and that was in ruins from someone who'd kicked all the members. The guy needs a kick in the face I think, along with whoever's stupid enough to pay for it. I mean there's no AB or FA (other faction pvp isnt even worth mentioning, FA barely is) without someone to fight in the first place.

Jabusky · Jul 15, 2007, 06:44 AM // 06:44

Wow people just stoop to a new level of low :'[

fujin · Jul 15, 2007, 08:05 AM // 08:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBlock

I think thats probably a luxon thing... first guild I ever joined was the only Kurzick guild I've ever been in and that was in ruins from someone who'd kicked all the members. The guy needs a kick in the face I think, along with whoever's stupid enough to pay for it. I mean there's no AB or FA (other faction pvp isnt even worth mentioning, FA barely is) without someone to fight in the first place.

Something like this never happened in any of the guilds I joined, but I think this happens all the time... People make second accounts, send them over to the other side, ask the alliance what they`re up to next... Or logging onto Vent and checking.

populationcontrol · Jul 16, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02

seriously whats wrong with promoting everyone to officer, as guild leader it would make your guild infiltration proof and in a sense it avoids any officer abuse on unpromoted players.

communism is the way to go

X Blood Thirst X · Jul 16, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

That is so lame.

Some people need to grow up.

"Psst, Hey you, ya go and destroy Kurzick guilds and I'll give you money yaya"

...

Coridan · Jul 16, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

its most likely from someone in a kurzick guilg that is wanting to sabatoge the next towns alliance. I have been aproached by various people in game about trying to tear down Dead Souls guild...it was so bothersome that i eventually left. I had nothing against those guys....so why would i want to do that...although i know one or two people that are notorious for tearing up guilds after the get in...

sprintcar88h · Jul 16, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

just promote everyone to officer than only guild leader can kick them or they leave on there own and can invite anyone who needs / wants an invite...

only down side would be gvg I'd think

Jul 16, 2007, 05:02 PM // 17:02	#35
populationcontrol Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: USSR Profession: D/	seriously whats wrong with promoting everyone to officer, as guild leader it would make your guild infiltration proof and in a sense it avoids any officer abuse on unpromoted players. communism is the way to go Last edited by populationcontrol; Jul 16, 2007 at 05:11 PM // 17:11..

Jul 14, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09	#21
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	I'm more disturbed that some sick freak is actually willing to PAY somebody to do this. I'm not surprised people sabatoge guilds, a lot of people get sick pleasure for griefing others, but to actually "hire" other people to grief for you is a whole new level of pysciopath.

Jul 14, 2007, 05:09 AM // 05:09	#22
divinechancellor Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: Limited Liability Company [LLC] Profession: E/	It happened to us (Revenant Crew[cryx]), and if it was caused by one of these "mercenaries" then it's a big problem. Our guild is responding to the issue in the most drastic way i can imagine: promote everyone to officer status so there's nobody that can be kicked. It's kinda funny.

Jul 14, 2007, 12:34 PM // 12:34	#23
Traveller Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Finland Guild: League of Extraordinary Explorers [LOST] (my one man guild) Profession: Me/	No one should be given officer status in 2-3 days from their arrival. That's your (or your officer's) mistake right there. Even though if you know it, there is bound to be people who don't and like you said, get their guilds demolished as a result. Sure, I'm not saying someone could have a bad day and turn out to be a butthole even after a long time.. but who is the more likely to be a "spy", guy you met 2-3 days ago or a guy who has been with the guild 2-3 months? (takes some serious GW lore dedication if it's the latter one!)

Jul 14, 2007, 12:47 PM // 12:47	#24
Kas Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	<3 Guru. Someone posts a legit warning. Guru doesn't care about the warning. But cares plenty about bashing the OP.

Jul 14, 2007, 01:23 PM // 13:23	#26
Kinn Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Englandshire, England. Guild: The International Association of Mending Wammos Profession: R/	Guild Wars: Serious Business (still a lame thing to do though )

Jul 14, 2007, 01:27 PM // 13:27	#27
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	I don't see the value in this for anyone but HIGH ranked GvG guilds, and they would be targeting specific guilds for it. If you have a guild ranked 101, and want to hit that top 100 mark, send someone to guild 100, have them do some work at destroying it, then you have an easier advancement to the top 100. But why a normal Kurzick guild would be targeted by a normal Luzon guild is beyond me. Takes a little time and money to reinvite the people, but its not hard. The amount of influence 1-5 guilds being destroyed in a week (assuming multiple sabatuers) would have on AB, FA, or JQ (like anyone does JQ anyway) is none. As far as everyone commenting on how the OP should run his guild, I agree with them. Yes, he made a mistake, and he knows it. But talking about it makes sure other people who read this thread learn about it, and don't make it. Officer status is a big deal, even for guilds that don't do GvG or high end PvP. Whether you actually use the position for what it can do or not, it is a status symbol, and people feel important for having it. This can result in someone becoming a pompus ass, or a dedicated servent to the guild. Be wary on promotions.

Jul 14, 2007, 01:58 PM // 13:58	#28
RhanoctJocosa Legendary Korean Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO] Profession: W/	It's your fault for even inviting someone you don't know well/haven't played a lot with. And no, they haven't broken any rules so don't think you're going to get them banned or anything. Also, this IS guru after all, don't expect people to be handing you tissues because you were stupid and got screwed over. The factions r srs business it seems.

Jul 15, 2007, 05:58 AM // 05:58	#32
MrBlock Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2007 Guild: Fender Tele [BLUZ] Profession: Mo/Me	I think thats probably a luxon thing... first guild I ever joined was the only Kurzick guild I've ever been in and that was in ruins from someone who'd kicked all the members. The guy needs a kick in the face I think, along with whoever's stupid enough to pay for it. I mean there's no AB or FA (other faction pvp isnt even worth mentioning, FA barely is) without someone to fight in the first place.

Jul 15, 2007, 06:44 AM // 06:44	#33
Jabusky Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: In a house.. Profession: W/Mo	Wow people just stoop to a new level of low :'[

Jul 16, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59	#36
X Blood Thirst X Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: Insane Psycho Killas [iPk] Profession: N/	That is so lame. Some people need to grow up. "Psst, Hey you, ya go and destroy Kurzick guilds and I'll give you money yaya" ...

Jul 16, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17	#37
Coridan Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: US Guild: Old Married Gamers {OMG} Profession: W/	its most likely from someone in a kurzick guilg that is wanting to sabatoge the next towns alliance. I have been aproached by various people in game about trying to tear down Dead Souls guild...it was so bothersome that i eventually left. I had nothing against those guys....so why would i want to do that...although i know one or two people that are notorious for tearing up guilds after the get in...

Jul 16, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33	#38
sprintcar88h Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: north phillys finest Profession: N/Mo	just promote everyone to officer than only guild leader can kick them or they leave on there own and can invite anyone who needs / wants an invite... only down side would be gvg I'd think