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shane56 · Jul 27, 2007, 05:57 AM // 05:57

I started a necromancer/monk and I wanna know some skills/attributes and maybe the equipment for a MM.

bsoltan · Jul 27, 2007, 06:08 AM // 06:08

Check here: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/General..._mastery_guide

It is a pretty comprehensive guide for the budding Minion Master.

Healers Wisper · Jul 27, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

I have a hard time convincing people of the following:

You do NOT need more then two non-elite Minions to be an effective minion master. I have found through trial and error that a good MM has the folowing:

16 death - 12 + 1 + 3
10 SR - I use 9 + 1
rest in Blood or heal

Skills:
Flesh golem or aura of lich - elite (liche works better on Hero MM)
Bone Fiends
Flesh Horror (vamp horror works but has longer recharge time)
BoM - absolute must!!!!
SoLS - Really helps keep energy up after SR nerf
Rez- sig or rebirth
last two are open, I usually use some form of degen from the blood line or a heal from the Monk healing line Up to you

Edit: I forgot to put here that your 10 minions should be 1:6:3 Golem:fiend:horror for best effect. 4 Minion tanks and 6 fiends (higher DPS) can do alot of dmg and ravish alot of th PvE areas.

Stormlord Alex · Jul 27, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

A minion master needs 3 things: Fiends (Horrors instead if it's a wall you need), Blood of the Master, and 16 Death Magic.

Everything else is a bonus.
That said...
Dark Bond rocks.
Flesh Golem sucks.
Aura of the Lich rocks.
Reduced casting time modifiers and a Bloodstain insignia are useful too.

free_fall · Jul 29, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21

Based on my experience with multiple Oliases (as well as my own forays in MMing), I'm going to go out on a limb and respectfully disagree on 2 points; neither BoM nor having 16 in Death is neccessary to be effective.

Given that enemy AI targets least armor/least health, the -75H of the Sup Death, compounded by the BoM sac, is like hanging a big "Kick Me" sign around your neck. And you can't raise minions if you're dead.

So you want as much H as possible to mitigate that targeting: get yourself the best Vigor you can afford and use a staff/off-hand with +30H, maybe try the Ghial's staff with +60H. If your H is high enough, you might then consider the judicious use of BoM.

Dark Bond should be in the 1st slot on your bar and, if you have it available (it's a Factions skill), Vampiric Horror should be on there as well.

As far as equipment goes, I'd suggest:

Runes - Minor Death (headpiece), Minor Blood, Minor Soul Reaping, Attunement, Vigor
Attributes - Death 14 (12+2), Blood (9+1), SR 10 (9+1)
Insignias - 3 Radiants (chest, leggings, hands), 1 Bloodsoaked (feet)
Weapon - something like Torub's Wand or Bortak's Claw (or anything with +5E^50%H); the Claw is rather expensive
Off-hand - my personal favorites are any 12E/+15E/-1E regen/+30H, like the Factions collector Bloody Knife or Shelboh's Gaze (NF green), both req 9 Blood; there's a similar Factions collectors Death req iirc
(Alternatively, there's Bazzr's Wail, a Factions green weapon, req 9 Death with +15E/-1E regen; you could combine this with the Factions collector req 9 Death off-hand that has +1 Death 20%/+30H)

This set-up will give you ~550H and 70E (though with the penalty of -1 E regen, which I don't find to be much of a problem).

Of course, the above is based on a lvl 20 char who has completed both of the +15 attribute point quests. You say you are just starting out, so this is more of a roadmap as to what to aim for. Once you've hit lvl 20 and have max H, by all means try out that Sup Death to see if it works for you.

A lot depends on how you like to play, what risks you're willing to take, etc. and I know many people might disagree with my approach to this. I can say, though, that there have been many occassions in which my Oliases have been the last man standing, including many in which he's managed to rez me, allowing me to run away to come back and rez the rest of the party.

shane56 · Jul 29, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Are supieor and major runes worth the - health?Also, what does Sols stand for?

Curse You · Jul 29, 2007, 05:48 AM // 05:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by shane56

Are supieor and major runes worth the - health?Also, what does Sols stand for?

Major runes give -35 health and Superior Runes give -75 health. When you're a MM, it's actually better to have low health, since it means you sacrifice less health.

SoLS is [wiki]Signet of Lost Souls[/wiki]

Commander Ryker · Jul 29, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05

Along with blood of the master, heal area is good too. It heals everyone with no health loss.

Jul 27, 2007, 05:57 AM // 05:57	#1
shane56 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007 Profession: N/Mo	Necromancer MM? I started a necromancer/monk and I wanna know some skills/attributes and maybe the equipment for a MM.

Jul 27, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01	#3
Healers Wisper Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Anaheim, CA Guild: BoMB Profession: N/	I have a hard time convincing people of the following: You do NOT need more then two non-elite Minions to be an effective minion master. I have found through trial and error that a good MM has the folowing: 16 death - 12 + 1 + 3 10 SR - I use 9 + 1 rest in Blood or heal Skills: Flesh golem or aura of lich - elite (liche works better on Hero MM) Bone Fiends Flesh Horror (vamp horror works but has longer recharge time) BoM - absolute must!!!! SoLS - Really helps keep energy up after SR nerf Rez- sig or rebirth last two are open, I usually use some form of degen from the blood line or a heal from the Monk healing line Up to you Edit: I forgot to put here that your 10 minions should be 1:6:3 Golem:fiend:horror for best effect. 4 Minion tanks and 6 fiends (higher DPS) can do alot of dmg and ravish alot of th PvE areas. Last edited by Healers Wisper; Jul 27, 2007 at 08:05 PM // 20:05..

Jul 27, 2007, 06:08 AM // 06:08	#2
bsoltan Site Contributor Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: UK Guild: [SoF]	Check here: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/General..._mastery_guide It is a pretty comprehensive guide for the budding Minion Master.

Jul 27, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04	#4
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	A minion master needs 3 things: Fiends (Horrors instead if it's a wall you need), Blood of the Master, and 16 Death Magic. Everything else is a bonus. That said... Dark Bond rocks. Flesh Golem sucks. Aura of the Lich rocks. Reduced casting time modifiers and a Bloodstain insignia are useful too.

Jul 29, 2007, 02:21 AM // 02:21	#5
free_fall Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	Based on my experience with multiple Oliases (as well as my own forays in MMing), I'm going to go out on a limb and respectfully disagree on 2 points; neither BoM nor having 16 in Death is neccessary to be effective. Given that enemy AI targets least armor/least health, the -75H of the Sup Death, compounded by the BoM sac, is like hanging a big "Kick Me" sign around your neck. And you can't raise minions if you're dead. So you want as much H as possible to mitigate that targeting: get yourself the best Vigor you can afford and use a staff/off-hand with +30H, maybe try the Ghial's staff with +60H. If your H is high enough, you might then consider the judicious use of BoM. Dark Bond should be in the 1st slot on your bar and, if you have it available (it's a Factions skill), Vampiric Horror should be on there as well. As far as equipment goes, I'd suggest: Runes - Minor Death (headpiece), Minor Blood, Minor Soul Reaping, Attunement, Vigor Attributes - Death 14 (12+2), Blood (9+1), SR 10 (9+1) Insignias - 3 Radiants (chest, leggings, hands), 1 Bloodsoaked (feet) Weapon - something like Torub's Wand or Bortak's Claw (or anything with +5E^50%H); the Claw is rather expensive Off-hand - my personal favorites are any 12E/+15E/-1E regen/+30H, like the Factions collector Bloody Knife or Shelboh's Gaze (NF green), both req 9 Blood; there's a similar Factions collectors Death req iirc (Alternatively, there's Bazzr's Wail, a Factions green weapon, req 9 Death with +15E/-1E regen; you could combine this with the Factions collector req 9 Death off-hand that has +1 Death 20%/+30H) This set-up will give you ~550H and 70E (though with the penalty of -1 E regen, which I don't find to be much of a problem). Of course, the above is based on a lvl 20 char who has completed both of the +15 attribute point quests. You say you are just starting out, so this is more of a roadmap as to what to aim for. Once you've hit lvl 20 and have max H, by all means try out that Sup Death to see if it works for you. A lot depends on how you like to play, what risks you're willing to take, etc. and I know many people might disagree with my approach to this. I can say, though, that there have been many occassions in which my Oliases have been the last man standing, including many in which he's managed to rez me, allowing me to run away to come back and rez the rest of the party.

Jul 29, 2007, 05:36 AM // 05:36	#6
shane56 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2007 Profession: N/Mo	Are supieor and major runes worth the - health?Also, what does Sols stand for?

Jul 29, 2007, 04:05 PM // 16:05	#8
Commander Ryker Site Contributor Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: R/	Along with blood of the master, heal area is good too. It heals everyone with no health loss.