If a guild leader rage quits should he be allowed back? - Guild Wars Forums

Rocky Raccoon · Aug 02, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32

Our guild leader was having real life problems so he put me in the leaders position because he was losing his internet connection. He did this when I was off line and when I logged on he was gone. When I logged in and saw I was leader I sent him an open invite back. He accepted the invite when I was off again and he had a disagreement with someone and quit again saying he was gone for good and wouldn't be back. He also said that the guild was failing apart because he was no longer there and that he was the only reason people were in the guild. The fact was that we lost one long time member and a few new recruits. 3 or 4 people less than when he quit. It wasn't the first time he quit or threatened to quit. He is a very knowledgeable about the game, and put a much of his game money into the guild, but he was always having some type of fight with either guild members or alliance members because he said they disrespected him. He is a grown man not a young person, someone who should know to lead not rule. He has recently pm'd a guild member saying he wants back in and wants the leadership back. My question is should he be allowed back into the guild and given the leadership back. One more thing I own the guild website, the web address and pay for the vent connection, if he were to come back to leadership I could could loose my real money investment in the guild. Please let me have your honest opinions.

Update: He went to the leader of our alliance and had us kicked from the alliance. I know he posts to this forum so I will be interested to see what if any reply he has.

lyra_song · Aug 02, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

I dont think he is fit to lead.

What does your Guild constitution say about if the Guild leader loses competency and succession of powers?

wetsparks · Aug 02, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

The dude sounds like an ass, and I wouldn't let him back in if I were you.

Neo Nugget · Aug 02, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

He sounds like a bad egg.

VitisVinifera · Aug 02, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39

yeah he sounds a bit unstable, and not very well grounded.

also since you updated that this guy had his ex/your current guild kicked, it's all posthumous, and you are probably better off anyway

gl in the future

Kool Pajamas · Aug 02, 2007, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I dont think he is fit to lead.

What does your Guild constitution say about if the Guild leader loses competency and succession of powers?

Guild constitution?? O_O

I say delete all his characters.

Melei Hawke · Aug 02, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

His actions are petty and immature. I don’t think he should be a guild leader and frankly, I would not allow some one that behaved that way in my guild as an officer or member. I am curious as to what he told the alliance leader to get your guild kicked. I am not sure if it would be worth the effort to have a chat with that leader or not. Sometimes it is best to say good riddance and move on.

Darkobra · Aug 02, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51

He's too corrupt. A guild leader's role is to maintain peace within the guild and to prevent chaos. He seems like a person who's only happy when he's unhappy. If you truly care about your guild, and it IS just as much yours as it was his, you'd not let him in any position of power.

Of course, you knew this already, which is why you asked if you were doing the right thing in doing so. Well, he kicked you from the alliance and ran to someone in a position of power again. You made the right call not letting him back as leader. That's why the ONLY rule in my guild is: "Only the guild leader may invite people." That way I know who's in my guild and I know that there's a high chance of them not causing trouble.

Shadow · Aug 02, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53

It's his guild, still.

ShadowsRequiem · Aug 02, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59

sounds like hes a few noodles short of a bowl of ramen :O

I MP I · Aug 02, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02

He simply fails at being a guild leader. I wouldn't risk inviting him back. Situations in your guild would get worse. He needs to learn some morals and mature a great deal before you even think of considering inviting him back. My two cents.

Miral · Aug 02, 2007, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Shadow

It's his guild, still.

when you voluntarily relinquish power and membership, those things no longer belong to you. you can request them back, but they are no longer yours to command unless granted again. that's my stand.

MagmaRed · Aug 03, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37

I wouldn't, but if you did allow him to take the guild back (as leader), make sure you have found a new guild to join, as you will be kicked within seconds of giving him Leadership.

You own the webpage and Vent server. That alone makes the guild as much yours as his, even if he never gave you leadership.

Naylyn · Aug 03, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24

If a new recruit acted that way would you let them remain? I know I certainly wouldn't. This person sounds like an awful leader and would only ruin the guild if you let him back in. You are the leader and it is your job to keep bad eggs from ruining the guild.

If you feel bad about the gold that he invested in the guild then take everyone else and reform and give him back an empty guild.

Rain Over Pebbles · Aug 03, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30

Yeah.. I wouldn't let this guy into my guild, much less be the leader of it.

You have no moral obligation to give the guild back in my book, and it doesn't look like it's a good idea to do so. How old he is doesn't matter.. he's acting like a spoiled brat.

Athrun Feya · Aug 03, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Previously I have "rage quitted" from being a guild leader myself. My reasons for this were that I needed a break, needed to walk away from 14 hour days online and the only way i could see this happening was to take away my responsabilities. As no one willingly wanted the role i was forced to give it away and leave the guild.

Understandably, those who were left in the guild were annoyed and blocked all contact i had with the guild in the site and forum (after I had owned the guild for 13 months).

I'm currently sitting in an empty guild, with no idea how my old guild is doing - which, to a degree, I still care about. So, in my experience...

Yes, he should be allowed back and he should be allowed contact with his guild (because i recon a part of him will still feel it is HIS guild, although hes not been around) but you keep the power and see how it goes from there, on the grounds that you have kept the guild sucessfull over the past few months

lyra_song · Aug 03, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Kool Pajamas

Guild constitution?? O_O

You dont have a constitution either? >.>;;

Heres my guild's

http://z13.invisionfree.com/shinigam...p?showtopic=98

Rain Over Pebbles · Aug 03, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03

In your case, I'd sympathize Athrun. Obviously you dedicated yourself to your guild and needed an escape, and nobody was willing to help you out. I'm sure your intentions were good.

However, in the case of the person that the poster is talking about... based on his description, he really sounds like an egotistical jerk for the most part.
He joins the guild and starts loudly complaining that the guild is falling apart because he isn't the leader? Constantly getting into fights with everyone and quitting over it rather than dealing with it maturely? Stability is good for a guild, and this guy is anything but stable. These aren't things that I'd like to see in a member, much less a guild leader.

He was allowed back previously, and promptly quit because he got into a fight. The way I see it, it is now up to the guild's current leader to decide if the old leader's membership, given his behavior, is in the best interests of his guild.

Rain

Quote:

Originally Posted by Athrun Feya

Previously I have "rage quitted" from being a guild leader myself. My reasons for this were that I needed a break, needed to walk away from 14 hour days online and the only way i could see this happening was to take away my responsabilities. As no one willingly wanted the role i was forced to give it away and leave the guild.

Understandably, those who were left in the guild were annoyed and blocked all contact i had with the guild in the site and forum (after I had owned the guild for 13 months).

I'm currently sitting in an empty guild, with no idea how my old guild is doing - which, to a degree, I still care about. So, in my experience...

Yes, he should be allowed back and he should be allowed contact with his guild (because i recon a part of him will still feel it is HIS guild, although hes not been around) but you keep the power and see how it goes from there, on the grounds that you have kept the guild sucessfull over the past few months

Erik Fox · Aug 03, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

If you do allow him back, I would not let him even get officer status for a good amount of time. Personally, I wouldn't let him back in if he caused problems while leaving.

Athrun Feya · Aug 03, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Hehe, if the info is correct it sound like an officer I used to have who behaved similarly - he liked trolling (and enjoyed singing Skater Boi to our countless alliances

)

After several invites back, he finally realised that the guild was no longer the one he had helped to build up and left for good. I thought it was important to realise it himself; in your case, i still feel you should invite him but remember you have full power to keep him or not and really let him know what you (as a guild) think.

Aug 02, 2007, 08:32 PM // 20:32	#1
Rocky Raccoon Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Massachusetts, USA Guild: Guardians of the Cosmos Profession: R/Mo	If a guild leader rage quits should he be allowed back? Our guild leader was having real life problems so he put me in the leaders position because he was losing his internet connection. He did this when I was off line and when I logged on he was gone. When I logged in and saw I was leader I sent him an open invite back. He accepted the invite when I was off again and he had a disagreement with someone and quit again saying he was gone for good and wouldn't be back. He also said that the guild was failing apart because he was no longer there and that he was the only reason people were in the guild. The fact was that we lost one long time member and a few new recruits. 3 or 4 people less than when he quit. It wasn't the first time he quit or threatened to quit. He is a very knowledgeable about the game, and put a much of his game money into the guild, but he was always having some type of fight with either guild members or alliance members because he said they disrespected him. He is a grown man not a young person, someone who should know to lead not rule. He has recently pm'd a guild member saying he wants back in and wants the leadership back. My question is should he be allowed back into the guild and given the leadership back. One more thing I own the guild website, the web address and pay for the vent connection, if he were to come back to leadership I could could loose my real money investment in the guild. Please let me have your honest opinions. Update: He went to the leader of our alliance and had us kicked from the alliance. I know he posts to this forum so I will be interested to see what if any reply he has. Last edited by Rocky Raccoon; Aug 02, 2007 at 08:39 PM // 20:39..

Aug 02, 2007, 09:51 PM // 21:51	#8
Darkobra Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Guild: Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot Profession: E/Me	He's too corrupt. A guild leader's role is to maintain peace within the guild and to prevent chaos. He seems like a person who's only happy when he's unhappy. If you truly care about your guild, and it IS just as much yours as it was his, you'd not let him in any position of power. Of course, you knew this already, which is why you asked if you were doing the right thing in doing so. Well, he kicked you from the alliance and ran to someone in a position of power again. You made the right call not letting him back as leader. That's why the ONLY rule in my guild is: "Only the guild leader may invite people." That way I know who's in my guild and I know that there's a high chance of them not causing trouble. Last edited by Darkobra; Aug 02, 2007 at 09:53 PM // 21:53..

Aug 02, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14	#2
lyra_song Hell's Protector Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: R/Mo	I dont think he is fit to lead. What does your Guild constitution say about if the Guild leader loses competency and succession of powers?

Aug 02, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15	#3
wetsparks Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2006	The dude sounds like an ass, and I wouldn't let him back in if I were you.

Aug 02, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19	#4
Neo Nugget Site Contributor Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/	He sounds like a bad egg.

Aug 02, 2007, 09:39 PM // 21:39	#5
VitisVinifera Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Northern California Guild: HoTR Profession: N/Me	yeah he sounds a bit unstable, and not very well grounded. also since you updated that this guy had his ex/your current guild kicked, it's all posthumous, and you are probably better off anyway gl in the future

Aug 02, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50	#7
Melei Hawke Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: SoF Profession: R/Mo	His actions are petty and immature. I don’t think he should be a guild leader and frankly, I would not allow some one that behaved that way in my guild as an officer or member. I am curious as to what he told the alliance leader to get your guild kicked. I am not sure if it would be worth the effort to have a chat with that leader or not. Sometimes it is best to say good riddance and move on.

Aug 02, 2007, 09:53 PM // 21:53	#9
Shadow Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: None	It's his guild, still.

Aug 02, 2007, 09:59 PM // 21:59	#10
ShadowsRequiem Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Inde is Smoking [Hawt] ToA Profession: W/E	sounds like hes a few noodles short of a bowl of ramen :O

Aug 02, 2007, 10:02 PM // 22:02	#11
I MP I Hustler Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: in between GW2 servers Profession: Mo/	He simply fails at being a guild leader. I wouldn't risk inviting him back. Situations in your guild would get worse. He needs to learn some morals and mature a great deal before you even think of considering inviting him back. My two cents.

Aug 03, 2007, 01:37 AM // 01:37	#13
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	I wouldn't, but if you did allow him to take the guild back (as leader), make sure you have found a new guild to join, as you will be kicked within seconds of giving him Leadership. You own the webpage and Vent server. That alone makes the guild as much yours as his, even if he never gave you leadership.

Aug 03, 2007, 07:24 AM // 07:24	#14
Naylyn Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2007 Guild: The Rational Delinquents[RD] Profession: Me/	If a new recruit acted that way would you let them remain? I know I certainly wouldn't. This person sounds like an awful leader and would only ruin the guild if you let him back in. You are the leader and it is your job to keep bad eggs from ruining the guild. If you feel bad about the gold that he invested in the guild then take everyone else and reform and give him back an empty guild.

Aug 03, 2007, 01:30 PM // 13:30	#15
Rain Over Pebbles Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2007 Guild: Roses of the Moonlight Sigil [RoMS] Profession: Mo/Rt	Yeah.. I wouldn't let this guy into my guild, much less be the leader of it. You have no moral obligation to give the guild back in my book, and it doesn't look like it's a good idea to do so. How old he is doesn't matter.. he's acting like a spoiled brat.

Aug 03, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21	#16
Athrun Feya Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oxford, UK Guild: Hiding From Shi Tters [Shh]	Previously I have "rage quitted" from being a guild leader myself. My reasons for this were that I needed a break, needed to walk away from 14 hour days online and the only way i could see this happening was to take away my responsabilities. As no one willingly wanted the role i was forced to give it away and leave the guild. Understandably, those who were left in the guild were annoyed and blocked all contact i had with the guild in the site and forum (after I had owned the guild for 13 months). I'm currently sitting in an empty guild, with no idea how my old guild is doing - which, to a degree, I still care about. So, in my experience... Yes, he should be allowed back and he should be allowed contact with his guild (because i recon a part of him will still feel it is HIS guild, although hes not been around) but you keep the power and see how it goes from there, on the grounds that you have kept the guild sucessfull over the past few months

Aug 03, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34	#19
Erik Fox Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas	If you do allow him back, I would not let him even get officer status for a good amount of time. Personally, I wouldn't let him back in if he caused problems while leaving.

Aug 03, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36	#20
Athrun Feya Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oxford, UK Guild: Hiding From Shi Tters [Shh]	Hehe, if the info is correct it sound like an officer I used to have who behaved similarly - he liked trolling (and enjoyed singing Skater Boi to our countless alliances ) After several invites back, he finally realised that the guild was no longer the one he had helped to build up and left for good. I thought it was important to realise it himself; in your case, i still feel you should invite him but remember you have full power to keep him or not and really let him know what you (as a guild) think.