Shadow Form, Overpowered? =\ - Guild Wars Forums

Nature Loves Me · Nov 07, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42

Ok, my A/Me friend was using [card]Shadow Form[/card] and [card]Arcane Echo[/card] to CR/Farm FoW and he kept up Shadow Form 100% of the time with no problems. If it can be done there can't it also be done in PvP and almost every other areas that Non-Spell Strip Enchants are rarely or not at all found to be basically invincible with VERY minor worries of Shadow Form being stripped?

I don't have Factions so I can't really test my theory myself xD

Edit: Meant arcane echo xD

Diddy bow · Nov 07, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

2 elites are overpowerd yes.

quickmonty · Nov 07, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46

Can't be done. They are both elites.

Nature Loves Me · Nov 07, 2007, 12:49 AM // 00:49

I keep mis typing, I meant ARCANE ECHO NOT ECHO, sorry lol...I'm havign a rought night

Diddy bow · Nov 07, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Ok with Arcane echo it used to be able to be kept up indefinetly with the use of deadly paradox, its not possible anymore, apparently it can be done with extreme timing but im not sure. And it made you "invincible" untill you met AOE, encahnment removal that geos through spells, traps ect. But it was very unweildy, you needed 16 shadow arts, forced as A/Me ,a ton of ernergy and it was easy to screw up so it wasnt really so bad. You can do the same with a 55 monk or an earth ele ect. No diffrent really.

Nature Loves Me · Nov 07, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by Diddy bow

Ok with Arcane echo it used to be able to be kept up indefinetly with the use of deadly paradox, its not possible anymore, apparently it can be done with extreme timing but im not sure. And it made you "invincible" untill you met AOE, encahnment removal that geos through spells, traps ect. But it was very unweildy, you needed 16 shadow arts, forced as A/Me ,a ton of ernergy and it was easy to screw up so it wasnt really so bad. You can do the same with a 55 monk or an earth ele ect. No diffrent really.

He kept it up and he didn't mess up ever, Doubt an Monk or Ele because Shadow makes ALL attacks miss so you can't be knocked down, inter'd etc like you can when 55-ing and such so you dont have to bring anti knockdowns, inter's, etc.

Also don't have to worry about HP degen, unless traps and stuff like that, but they are easily avoidable.

Wut Wut · Nov 07, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58

it's extremely easy to keep it up indefinitely, and it hasn't changed since the nerf, I tested it at the isle of the nameless, and stayed in it for 10 minutes until I had to go to dinner.

Toutatis · Nov 07, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14

It's easy to keep up virtually indefinitely, but it's just as easy to strip and shut down. Signet of Disenchantment and Signet of Humility would really put a dent in an echoed Shadow Form build.

Nature Loves Me · Nov 07, 2007, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

It's easy to keep up virtually indefinitely, but it's just as easy to strip and shut down. Signet of Disenchantment and Signet of Humility would really put a dent in an echoed Shadow Form build.

But what are the chances of a non spell stripper? I've PvP'd tons and I always have about 5-6 enchantments on me xD [Vow of Strength elite for damage and enchants for defense] and every strip, and I rarely get stripped, has been a spell strip.

ax mastery · Nov 07, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40

afaik rend touch strips shadow form. It isn't really used in pvp because its a rather useless build unless you just want to annoy people for ten minutes in ra.

RPGmaniac · Nov 07, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

There's always expunge enchantments. some mobs in the jade sea use it pretty often.

Neo Nugget · Nov 07, 2007, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Moving to the assassin proffession forum

better there than here i guess.

ensoriki · Nov 07, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Not overpowered, its synergy.

You could say the combo of skills is overpowered, then people can disagree

on its own hell no, lose almost all your hp (a dervish critical hit can 1hko you...or a warrior hammer hit) doesn't last to long either.

Also it can still be kept up indefinitely so i've heard even after DP nerf.
However theres only about a 0,2-1 second chance. if you mess up that 1 second, the permanent shadow form goes down.

Theres tons of ways to deal with shadowform, however people don't take them because it's not part of the COOKIE CUTTER....however a viable build can be made that just had non spell enchantment while still working.
Imagine that!
0.2-1 second!!!! Jesus Rice

Nature Loves Me · Nov 07, 2007, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by ensoriki

Not overpowered, its synergy.

You could say the combo of skills is overpowered, then people can disagree

on its own hell no, lose almost all your hp (a dervish critical hit can 1hko you...or a warrior hammer hit) doesn't last to long either.

Also it can still be kept up indefinitely so i've heard even after DP nerf.
However theres only about a 0,2-1 second chance. if you mess up that 1 second, the permanent shadow form goes down.

Theres tons of ways to deal with shadowform, however people don't take them because it's not part of the COOKIE CUTTER....however a viable build can be made that just had non spell enchantment while still working.
Imagine that!
0.2-1 second!!!! Jesus Rice

Doubt it's that short of a time period. My friend kept it up for 20 minutes while everyone just lay dad in FoW watching him lol( Was a Chestrun) and he lost no HP since he kept it up continuously, and I know htere are non spell skills that can take it down, and most people don't bring non spell skills to counter it, most don't even bring a disenchant because some people really need that extra slot for something better.

Sqube · Nov 07, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26

Skills that can hurt you:
- Signets
- Touch skills
- Untargeted AoE skills

Also, you have to note how perma-SF limits you. You have to go /Me. You have to use Shadow Form, Arcane Echo, Deadly Paradox, and a 20% enchant mod on your daggers. So three of your skills can't be changed and require a close watch to make sure that you don't go wrong.

So no, it's not overpowered at all. It requires a lot of work to keep it maintained; the fact that you can keep it up 100% of the time doesn't mean that it's easy to do so.

Kale Ironfist · Nov 07, 2007, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by ax mastery

afaik rend touch strips shadow form. It isn't really used in pvp because its a rather useless build unless you just want to annoy people for ten minutes in ra.

Rending Touch is a spell, so it cannot remove Shadow Form.

Sir Pandra Pierva · Nov 07, 2007, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Does anyone still have the infanite shadowform combo? I used a team one for a while with an ele using GoR nuking.

Sqube · Nov 07, 2007, 07:06 AM // 07:06

Shadow Form
Arcane Echo
Deadly Paradox
Totem Axe or something equivalent

That's the basic setup for perma-SF. Five other slots for attacks, maybe self-heals and/or a rez.

GPS --> HotO --> FS --> TF --> [optional] maybe? I don't know, something along those lines could work. No IAS available, but that's life when you're running perma-SF.

Lourens · Nov 07, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00

a touch ranger can go right trough shadow form and all 'skills can also go trough it

=DNC=Trucker · Nov 07, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15

From what I know, your timing does have to be within 1.5-2 seconds. Besides, its so fragile I would love for this to become a gimmick like it used to before the DP nerf. People in PVP will bring one non-spell ench removal and turn the table from a perma-invicible sin to a perma-corpse. So, I'd have to say not really.

Nov 07, 2007, 12:42 AM // 00:42	#1
Nature Loves Me Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2007 Guild: Desolation Lords [DL] Profession: Mo/	Shadow Form, Overpowered? =\ Ok, my A/Me friend was using [card]Shadow Form[/card] and [card]Arcane Echo[/card] to CR/Farm FoW and he kept up Shadow Form 100% of the time with no problems. If it can be done there can't it also be done in PvP and almost every other areas that Non-Spell Strip Enchants are rarely or not at all found to be basically invincible with VERY minor worries of Shadow Form being stripped? I don't have Factions so I can't really test my theory myself xD Edit: Meant arcane echo xD Last edited by Nature Loves Me; Nov 07, 2007 at 12:46 AM // 00:46..

Nov 07, 2007, 12:49 AM // 00:49	#4
Nature Loves Me Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2007 Guild: Desolation Lords [DL] Profession: Mo/	I keep mis typing, I meant ARCANE ECHO NOT ECHO, sorry lol...I'm havign a rought night Last edited by Nature Loves Me; Nov 07, 2007 at 12:51 AM // 00:51..

Nov 07, 2007, 01:46 AM // 01:46	#12
Neo Nugget Site Contributor Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/	Moving to the assassin proffession forum better there than here i guess. __________________ "Even if the morrow is barren of promises, nothing shall forestall my return."

Nov 07, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46	#2
Diddy bow Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!! Guild: looking for one :p Profession: A/D	2 elites are overpowerd yes.

Nov 07, 2007, 12:46 AM // 00:46	#3
quickmonty Ancient Windbreaker Join Date: May 2005	Can't be done. They are both elites.

Nov 07, 2007, 12:53 AM // 00:53	#5
Diddy bow Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!! Guild: looking for one :p Profession: A/D	Ok with Arcane echo it used to be able to be kept up indefinetly with the use of deadly paradox, its not possible anymore, apparently it can be done with extreme timing but im not sure. And it made you "invincible" untill you met AOE, encahnment removal that geos through spells, traps ect. But it was very unweildy, you needed 16 shadow arts, forced as A/Me ,a ton of ernergy and it was easy to screw up so it wasnt really so bad. You can do the same with a 55 monk or an earth ele ect. No diffrent really.

Nov 07, 2007, 12:58 AM // 00:58	#7
Wut Wut Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Nov 2007	it's extremely easy to keep it up indefinitely, and it hasn't changed since the nerf, I tested it at the isle of the nameless, and stayed in it for 10 minutes until I had to go to dinner.

Nov 07, 2007, 01:14 AM // 01:14	#8
Toutatis Walking Wiki Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Isle of Medication Guild: Visitors from Aranna [VFA] Profession: Me/E	It's easy to keep up virtually indefinitely, but it's just as easy to strip and shut down. Signet of Disenchantment and Signet of Humility would really put a dent in an echoed Shadow Form build.

Nov 07, 2007, 01:40 AM // 01:40	#10
ax mastery Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Sep 2007	afaik rend touch strips shadow form. It isn't really used in pvp because its a rather useless build unless you just want to annoy people for ten minutes in ra.

Nov 07, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45	#11
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	There's always expunge enchantments. some mobs in the jade sea use it pretty often.

Nov 07, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54	#13
ensoriki Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada bro. Profession: A/D	Not overpowered, its synergy. You could say the combo of skills is overpowered, then people can disagree on its own hell no, lose almost all your hp (a dervish critical hit can 1hko you...or a warrior hammer hit) doesn't last to long either. Also it can still be kept up indefinitely so i've heard even after DP nerf. However theres only about a 0,2-1 second chance. if you mess up that 1 second, the permanent shadow form goes down. Theres tons of ways to deal with shadowform, however people don't take them because it's not part of the COOKIE CUTTER....however a viable build can be made that just had non spell enchantment while still working. Imagine that! 0.2-1 second!!!! Jesus Rice

Nov 07, 2007, 02:26 AM // 02:26	#15
Sqube Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Behind you... Profession: A/	Skills that can hurt you: - Signets - Touch skills - Untargeted AoE skills Also, you have to note how perma-SF limits you. You have to go /Me. You have to use Shadow Form, Arcane Echo, Deadly Paradox, and a 20% enchant mod on your daggers. So three of your skills can't be changed and require a close watch to make sure that you don't go wrong. So no, it's not overpowered at all. It requires a lot of work to keep it maintained; the fact that you can keep it up 100% of the time doesn't mean that it's easy to do so.

Nov 07, 2007, 03:23 AM // 03:23	#17
Sir Pandra Pierva Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Sardelec yelling at Tenshi Guild: Angels Of Strife Profession: E/	Does anyone still have the infanite shadowform combo? I used a team one for a while with an ele using GoR nuking.

Nov 07, 2007, 07:06 AM // 07:06	#18
Sqube Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Behind you... Profession: A/	Shadow Form Arcane Echo Deadly Paradox Totem Axe or something equivalent That's the basic setup for perma-SF. Five other slots for attacks, maybe self-heals and/or a rez. GPS --> HotO --> FS --> TF --> [optional] maybe? I don't know, something along those lines could work. No IAS available, but that's life when you're running perma-SF.

Nov 07, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00	#19
Lourens Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006	a touch ranger can go right trough shadow form and all 'skills can also go trough it

Nov 07, 2007, 09:15 PM // 21:15	#20
=DNC=Trucker Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: TLA Profession: Me/	From what I know, your timing does have to be within 1.5-2 seconds. Besides, its so fragile I would love for this to become a gimmick like it used to before the DP nerf. People in PVP will bring one non-spell ench removal and turn the table from a perma-invicible sin to a perma-corpse. So, I'd have to say not really.