Why do Paragons Suck ? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Antheus · Nov 18, 2007, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Zero Great builds for PvP

Hmmm....

Hmmm....

Well, after they were introduced, they were so absurdly overpowered, that they made pvp into a big joke. A very large number of nerfs later (not balance changes, but straight out nerfs), they've been brought down into a reasonable state.

In PvE, well, don't leave the outpost without them, especially if they are played by real players.

McMullen · Nov 18, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Paragons provide some of the best DPS on their own with ranged attacks, they can build up adrenaline much faster than a warrior, they can provide pressure heals to help make the monks job easier, energy management is stupidly simple (make you wonder why Soul Reaping was nerfed again).. I could go on..

They're crap at splitting though, that's about the only thing.

Wrath of m0o · Nov 18, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

anyone care to share with me a good para pvp build.. the paragon section is kinda lacking. Is hammer paragon even worth it?

McMullen · Nov 18, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Hammer paragon's are usually inferior compared to their warrior counterparts because of limitation of IAS skills (using aggressive refrain will bring your armour level down to that of a squishy).

Crom The Pale · Nov 18, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

With Paragons the larger the party the more powerfull they become. With more people affected by thier shouts they get more energy back and can keep up shouting indefinately.

In parties size 4 or smaller they tend to be less effective though they can still dish out some nice dmg and if the buffs are timed correctly be very effective with those as well.

I have noticed paragons seam to have a limited variety of builds, 3-4 good builds and thats about it.

Earth · Nov 18, 2007, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

I have noticed paragons seam to have a limited variety of builds, 3-4 good builds and thats about it.

That's because people fail at this game. There are tons of good builds out there, they just have to be discovered.

crazy diamond · Nov 18, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

I remember way back when people thought Rangers sucked. Then they said it was Rits when Factions came out. And it's been Paragons ever since Nightfall.

Who are you people, and how do you keep doing this?

Onarik Amrak · Nov 18, 2007, 06:38 PM // 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy diamond

I remember way back when people thought Rangers sucked. Then they said it was Rits when Factions came out. And it's been Paragons ever since Nightfall.

Who are you people, and how do you keep doing this?

It's a conspiracy! Run for the hills.

britnie31 · Nov 18, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

Paragons only suck if USER ERROR ocurs ..

Clarissa F · Nov 18, 2007, 06:41 PM // 18:41

And yet everyone swears by the holy trinity. I've had more success with teams without a crappy monk, a war that can't tank or give damage, or an ele that swears by his SF build.

Paras are great. They may have few elites or build combos, but they don't need them. A few spear skills, AF, TNTF, and party supports, and they will lift any team to success. I cut through NF like butter on a paragon.

As for "give him a build, then," play with the character, find his strengths, and make your own builds. Being used to them, you will probably play them better than any cookie cutter off lamebuildwiki.

[email protected] being lame. most popular class on here.

pfaile · Nov 18, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

I love my paragon, I can't wait till the update that I can take 7 heroes into PVE and have at it, the heroes do the best with my calls, the henchies show no difference. And PUGS, yuck, people first need to know what aggro is between team-mates as well as enemies.
A paragon doesn't do but a fraction of the overall killing, but she helps her team kill more quickly and efficiently.

Improvavel · Nov 18, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Well anything that runs "nothing to fear", ias of choice (i dislike agressive refrain with ai monks), 2-3 spear attacks, 1-2 offensive support skills and 1-2 defensive support skills is a good build. If u have 2 paras, then one bring the offensive support and the other the defensive. And PARAGONS THROW SPEARS, so use them.

Shadowfox1125 · Nov 18, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15

This build pretty much owns PvE..

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...ed_PvE_Paragon

though there are some better builds.

dies like fish · Nov 18, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

Basic PvP Paragon Template:
[skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]"Shields Up!"[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill]

xhappy feetx · Nov 18, 2007, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

Check buildwiki

Paragons seem to be the most unused character in the game.
Least ammount of builds per any class.
Zero Great builds for PvP

Has everyone just given up on paragon completely or is there some hope for the future of the Para?
Why does no one like them?
your input is greatly appreciated.

Please refrain from ever venturing into GvG or HA, the dramatic effectiveness of paragons might traumatize you...

Neo Nugget · Nov 18, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Ok, this has been discussed many many times, so this question doesn't really have an answer to it, some people like paragons, other's don't.

====closed====

Nov 18, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26	#34
dies like fish Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Winter Wonderland [brrr] Profession: W/E	Basic PvP Paragon Template: [skill]Vicious Attack[/skill][skill]Spear of Lightning[/skill][skill]Defensive Anthem[/skill][skill]Anthem of Flame[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]"Shields Up!"[/skill][skill]Aggressive Refrain[/skill][skill]Signet of Return[/skill] Last edited by dies like fish; Nov 18, 2007 at 08:29 PM // 20:29..

Nov 18, 2007, 09:24 PM // 21:24	#36
Neo Nugget Site Contributor Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/	Ok, this has been discussed many many times, so this question doesn't really have an answer to it, some people like paragons, other's don't. ====closed==== __________________ "Even if the morrow is barren of promises, nothing shall forestall my return."

Nov 18, 2007, 05:30 PM // 17:30	#22
McMullen Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: R/W	Paragons provide some of the best DPS on their own with ranged attacks, they can build up adrenaline much faster than a warrior, they can provide pressure heals to help make the monks job easier, energy management is stupidly simple (make you wonder why Soul Reaping was nerfed again).. I could go on.. They're crap at splitting though, that's about the only thing.

Nov 18, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35	#23
Wrath of m0o Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Boston Ma. Guild: Is That Your Build[HaHa] Profession: P/W	anyone care to share with me a good para pvp build.. the paragon section is kinda lacking. Is hammer paragon even worth it?

Nov 18, 2007, 05:38 PM // 17:38	#24
McMullen Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Profession: R/W	Hammer paragon's are usually inferior compared to their warrior counterparts because of limitation of IAS skills (using aggressive refrain will bring your armour level down to that of a squishy).

Nov 18, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14	#25
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	With Paragons the larger the party the more powerfull they become. With more people affected by thier shouts they get more energy back and can keep up shouting indefinately. In parties size 4 or smaller they tend to be less effective though they can still dish out some nice dmg and if the buffs are timed correctly be very effective with those as well. I have noticed paragons seam to have a limited variety of builds, 3-4 good builds and thats about it.

Nov 18, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29	#27
crazy diamond Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005	I remember way back when people thought Rangers sucked. Then they said it was Rits when Factions came out. And it's been Paragons ever since Nightfall. Who are you people, and how do you keep doing this?

Nov 18, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40	#29
britnie31 Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In HA .. dominating ~ Guild: DRKN	Paragons only suck if USER ERROR ocurs ..

Nov 18, 2007, 06:41 PM // 18:41	#30
Clarissa F Krytan Explorer Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Fighters of the Shiverpeaks Profession: Me/Mo	And yet everyone swears by the holy trinity. I've had more success with teams without a crappy monk, a war that can't tank or give damage, or an ele that swears by his SF build. Paras are great. They may have few elites or build combos, but they don't need them. A few spear skills, AF, TNTF, and party supports, and they will lift any team to success. I cut through NF like butter on a paragon. As for "give him a build, then," play with the character, find his strengths, and make your own builds. Being used to them, you will probably play them better than any cookie cutter off lamebuildwiki. [email protected] being lame. most popular class on here.

Nov 18, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50	#31
pfaile Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orlando Guild: Divine Order of Heroes Profession: P/R	I love my paragon, I can't wait till the update that I can take 7 heroes into PVE and have at it, the heroes do the best with my calls, the henchies show no difference. And PUGS, yuck, people first need to know what aggro is between team-mates as well as enemies. A paragon doesn't do but a fraction of the overall killing, but she helps her team kill more quickly and efficiently.

Nov 18, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27	#32
Improvavel Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2007	Well anything that runs "nothing to fear", ias of choice (i dislike agressive refrain with ai monks), 2-3 spear attacks, 1-2 offensive support skills and 1-2 defensive support skills is a good build. If u have 2 paras, then one bring the offensive support and the other the defensive. And PARAGONS THROW SPEARS, so use them.

Nov 18, 2007, 08:15 PM // 20:15	#33
Shadowfox1125 Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: PST Profession: W/	This build pretty much owns PvE.. http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:P/...ed_PvE_Paragon though there are some better builds.