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sprintcar88h · Nov 22, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

Only have bows that req marksmanship, when all other professions have weapons/offhands req for all there "main builds"

Ie.
monk has wands/staffs for healing, divine, prot, & smite

Why are there no bows for Expertise - Wilderness - Beastmastery req?

angmar_nite · Nov 22, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Why are there no sword's with req 9 strength...

Aria Sabre · Nov 22, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

I dunno...I really love my Req9 Wind Prayers Scythe

Oblivious Moose · Nov 22, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52

no leadership shields...

Cherno · Nov 22, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57

it makes sense that to use a bow that one should be skilled in marksmanship. The thing that I wish for most is a weapon, doesn't even need tone a bow, with a beast mastery requirement.

Biostem · Nov 22, 2007, 03:02 AM // 03:02

If the attribute was called "bow mastery", would you feel any better?

Swords require swordsmanship
Axes require axe mastery
Hammers require hammer mastery
daggers require dagger mastery
scythes require scythe mastery

Do you see a pattern?

Now... if they wanted to introduce some new weapons and skills that go w/ other attributes, I'd be all for that. Perhaps introduce crossbows that use expertise, or some sort of gauntlets that use strength.

October Jade · Nov 22, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Yeah, go ahead and mock. I think it's a valid point though.

Comparing it to other professions is more than a little unfair. I mean, seriously...how often do you play a dervish build with no scythe, or run as an assassin without any kind of martial weapon? Versatility is a main strength of the ranger class, but weapon choices are not at all supportive of the concept.

Sekkira · Nov 22, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by Biostem

Perhaps introduce crossbows that use expertise, or some sort of gauntlets that use strength.

Even crossbows would require marksmanship.

Also, weapon choices don't need to be supportive of the versatility of Rangers, because they're versatile.

Sister Rosette · Nov 22, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by sprintcar88h

Only have bows that req marksmanship, when all other professions have weapons/offhands req for all there "main builds"

Ie.
monk has wands/staffs for healing, divine, prot, & smite

Why are there no bows for Expertise - Wilderness - Beastmastery req?

Is your bow made out of squirrels or something? Seriously. This is redundant. You wouldn't spend years training with a sword just to pick up a bow and go to war. Monks/Eles/etc have weapons based in each stat because not everyone plays with a lot of Energy Storage/Divine Favor/etc and forcing them to take a less effective weapon because of their skill choice is unfair. Expertise doesn't have a weapon attributed to it because it's not a tangible prowess. It's a complementary attribute that makes your other skills more efficient. Want a weapon with BM reqs? It's called a PET.

I can't really think of a good one liner for WS, sorry.

Tactical-Dillusions · Nov 22, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21

I've brought up this issue on numerous occasions. I wouldn't mind if only we were given a bow grip of Expertise, Beast Mastery and Wilderness Survival.

It's not a big change, it won't break the game in any way whatsoever, so i can't see a problem.

Take a look at the diversity of mods for a warrior for example.
His shield can have many different bonuses on top of his regular class attributes, even things like domination magic +1 20%, and his weapon can have swordsmanship, axe mastery or hammer mastery +1 20%.
What do rangers get? A bow grip of marksmanship. Wooooo!

Go on, go the whole hog and give us bow grips of healing prayers etc and get back to your original vision of game/class diversity.

EDIT.

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Originally Posted by Sekkira

Also, weapon choices don't need to be supportive of the versatility of Rangers, because they're versatile.

Yes, very versatile. That's why were sandboxed into using blood magic to farm with.

Biostem · Nov 22, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21

Um... the bow is the ranger's signature weapon - just like you won't find anyone using a sword (very well) unless they're a warrior.

Anyway, like I said, I'd be in favor of some new items - perhaps wands or staves for wilderness survival, beast mastery, and expertise. Maybe rangers could use staves as martial weapons - to attack w/ in melee...

Anyway, my point is still valid - offensive weapons are only found requiring their associated attribute (except for very weak ones w/ no attribute requirement)

sprintcar88h · Nov 22, 2007, 03:25 AM // 03:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biostem

If the attribute was called "bow mastery", would you feel any better?

Swords require swordsmanship
Axes require axe mastery
Hammers require hammer mastery
daggers require dagger mastery
scythes require scythe mastery

Do you see a pattern?

Now... if they wanted to introduce some new weapons and skills that go w/ other attributes, I'd be all for that. Perhaps introduce crossbows that use expertise, or some sort of gauntlets that use strength.

Ok i see your point. alot of the stuff is off hand req and since a bow uses 2 hands and a sword would be 1 hand "sword req + off hand sheild would be a diff req does make sence... i see what your saying. i was just wondering though but have a better understanding thx

October Jade · Nov 22, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Okay, clearly some of you are missing the point. Allow me to demonstrate.

Compare a trap ranger to an Air Magic elementalist. In both cases the primary damage output comes from the skills on the bar. In addition, the ele has the option of wanding for a little bit more dps. The ranger, on the other hand, has nothing. A Wilderness Survival staff would eliminate the discrepancy.

Biostem · Nov 22, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52

The ranger could use a no req bow, a weapon for one of their secondary profession attributes, or a bow w/ a req but for reduced damage. Given the fact that even if you max out 1 attribute, you can still easily get 9 in marksmanship to make the most of a bow, or use another attribute item, I see no problem.

Zeek Aran · Nov 22, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02

Is there even a point? Wanding is a joke. Splinter wanding is a hilarious joke, created by my Razah.

The reason casters have weapons in different attributes is because they have spells in those attributes with halved casting/recharge to be applied. Skills such as traps can't be affected by spell modifiers.

iridescentfyre · Nov 22, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by October Jade

Okay, clearly some of you are missing the point. Allow me to demonstrate.

Compare a trap ranger to an Air Magic elementalist. In both cases the primary damage output comes from the skills on the bar. In addition, the ele has the option of wanding for a little bit more dps. The ranger, on the other hand, has nothing. A Wilderness Survival staff would eliminate the discrepancy.

The difference is that an elementalist specializing in Air Magic was planned for and anticipated by Anet's design. Specializing in one or two of the four elements was clearly part of the original design of the elementalist.

At the risk of getting flamed, a trapping ranger (as we know them in-game) is, for the most part, a farm build that exists solely in the metagame. Anet does not seem to directly support them and in fact have taken steps against them. In balanced, normal Guild Wars play, trapping does not perform particularly well. A ranger with only Expertise and Wilderness Survival was no more "intended" than a warrior with only Strength and Tactics or a Dervish with only Wind Prayers and Earth Prayers.

Crom The Pale · Nov 22, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Basically the rangers second weapon is his pet, requiring BeastMastery.

Thier are some ranger builds, for trappers, that require no marksmanship but all points in Wilderness and Expertise.

GD Defender · Nov 22, 2007, 04:16 AM // 04:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by October Jade

Okay, clearly some of you are missing the point. Allow me to demonstrate.

Compare a trap ranger to an Air Magic elementalist. In both cases the primary damage output comes from the skills on the bar. In addition, the ele has the option of wanding for a little bit more dps. The ranger, on the other hand, has nothing. A Wilderness Survival staff would eliminate the discrepancy.

Or you can use a bow and dshot to have some utility other than squatting at the other team's feet.

Azeren Wrathe · Nov 22, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biostem

If the attribute was called "bow mastery", would you feel any better?

Swords require swordsmanship
Axes require axe mastery
Hammers require hammer mastery
daggers require dagger mastery
scythes require scythe mastery

Do you see a pattern?

that aspect of your post is in no way valid to the OP's question and is not funny at all. seriously the OP's question was a valid one so theres no need to make fun of them.

October Jade · Nov 22, 2007, 04:28 AM // 04:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by GD Defender

Or you can use a bow and dshot to have some utility other than squatting at the other team's feet.

You're trying to turn this into a normative argument, not a positive one.

That a bow is more or less useful than other potential options is not a point of contention. The point is that there aren't other options.

Nov 22, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49	#1
sprintcar88h Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: north phillys finest Profession: N/Mo	Why do Rangers Only have bows that req marksmanship, when all other professions have weapons/offhands req for all there "main builds" Ie. monk has wands/staffs for healing, divine, prot, & smite Why are there no bows for Expertise - Wilderness - Beastmastery req?

Nov 22, 2007, 04:02 AM // 04:02	#15
Zeek Aran Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth, sadly Guild: BORK Profession: A/	Is there even a point? Wanding is a joke. Splinter wanding is a hilarious joke, created by my Razah. The reason casters have weapons in different attributes is because they have spells in those attributes with halved casting/recharge to be applied. Skills such as traps can't be affected by spell modifiers. Last edited by Zeek Aran; Nov 22, 2007 at 04:07 AM // 04:07..

Nov 22, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50	#2
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	Why are there no sword's with req 9 strength...

Nov 22, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52	#3
Aria Sabre Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: PA, USA Guild: [SHIN] Profession: Mo/E	I dunno...I really love my Req9 Wind Prayers Scythe

Nov 22, 2007, 02:52 AM // 02:52	#4
Oblivious Moose Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2006 Guild: Sinister Swarm [Sin] Profession: P/	no leadership shields...

Nov 22, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57	#5
Cherno Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Stars of Destiny Profession: E/	it makes sense that to use a bow that one should be skilled in marksmanship. The thing that I wish for most is a weapon, doesn't even need tone a bow, with a beast mastery requirement.

Nov 22, 2007, 03:02 AM // 03:02	#6
Biostem Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2007	If the attribute was called "bow mastery", would you feel any better? Swords require swordsmanship Axes require axe mastery Hammers require hammer mastery daggers require dagger mastery scythes require scythe mastery Do you see a pattern? Now... if they wanted to introduce some new weapons and skills that go w/ other attributes, I'd be all for that. Perhaps introduce crossbows that use expertise, or some sort of gauntlets that use strength.

Nov 22, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03	#7
October Jade Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: drifting between Indiana and NorCal	Yeah, go ahead and mock. I think it's a valid point though. Comparing it to other professions is more than a little unfair. I mean, seriously...how often do you play a dervish build with no scythe, or run as an assassin without any kind of martial weapon? Versatility is a main strength of the ranger class, but weapon choices are not at all supportive of the concept.

Nov 22, 2007, 03:21 AM // 03:21	#11
Biostem Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2007	Um... the bow is the ranger's signature weapon - just like you won't find anyone using a sword (very well) unless they're a warrior. Anyway, like I said, I'd be in favor of some new items - perhaps wands or staves for wilderness survival, beast mastery, and expertise. Maybe rangers could use staves as martial weapons - to attack w/ in melee... Anyway, my point is still valid - offensive weapons are only found requiring their associated attribute (except for very weak ones w/ no attribute requirement)

Nov 22, 2007, 03:49 AM // 03:49	#13
October Jade Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: drifting between Indiana and NorCal	Okay, clearly some of you are missing the point. Allow me to demonstrate. Compare a trap ranger to an Air Magic elementalist. In both cases the primary damage output comes from the skills on the bar. In addition, the ele has the option of wanding for a little bit more dps. The ranger, on the other hand, has nothing. A Wilderness Survival staff would eliminate the discrepancy.

Nov 22, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52	#14
Biostem Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2007	The ranger could use a no req bow, a weapon for one of their secondary profession attributes, or a bow w/ a req but for reduced damage. Given the fact that even if you max out 1 attribute, you can still easily get 9 in marksmanship to make the most of a bow, or use another attribute item, I see no problem.

Nov 22, 2007, 04:07 AM // 04:07	#17
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	Basically the rangers second weapon is his pet, requiring BeastMastery. Thier are some ranger builds, for trappers, that require no marksmanship but all points in Wilderness and Expertise.