Why Are Heroes Superior To Hench? - Guild Wars Forums

Vanchatron · Dec 21, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

I was just wondering, because people always take heroes instead of hench when they're in a party. Is it just because you can give your heroes specific weapons/armor etc which you can't do with hench? Or is it because heroes have better AI & therefore know how to cope better with certain situations etc?

Thanks.

my2cent · Dec 21, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

1:able to be customised with with skill/proffession/weapon
2:u can flag heroes individualy hench u cant.

Avarre · Dec 21, 2007, 10:46 AM // 10:46

You can give them skillbars that aren't terrible.

roguey · Dec 21, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48

with heroes you can adjust them and select which skills you want them to have. As you know some skills are better than others and the hench skills can range. Heroes also have 2 professions unlike hench's 1, again improving skills. The usage of runes also help boost skills.

You can also flag each hero (put healer at the back for example).

When they made the hero, it really killed off a lot of cooperative game play for many people.

Vanchatron · Dec 21, 2007, 10:54 AM // 10:54

Thanks a lot

Kale Ironfist · Dec 21, 2007, 11:59 AM // 11:59

Runes
Insignia
Weapons with mods
Proper skillbars
Individual flagging

What's not to like?

Da Mad M00 · Dec 21, 2007, 12:02 PM // 12:02

And add the ability to micro manage them. For example make someone cast Protective Spirit on you before you pull that one nasty group and things like that

Darkobra · Dec 21, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35

Repeatable resurrects, more than 4 skills... Good ones at that.

Crom The Pale · Dec 21, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04

Heros allow you to build a party with complimentary skills. You can customized thier skills to match perfectly with the map you are on allowing for a much easier time.

Smile Like Umean It · Dec 21, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

Repeatable resurrects, more than 4 skills... Good ones at that.

But only as good as the player who has them.
The potential and concept of the heroes are great, but if you and your bar suck they will too.

So, yeah, while heroes are in general better for those very same reasons list above they can also be worse.

IslandHermet · Dec 21, 2007, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Vanchatron

I was just wondering, because people always take heroes instead of hench when they're in a party. Is it just because you can give your heroes specific weapons/armor etc which you can't do with hench? Or is it because heroes have better AI & therefore know how to cope better with certain situations etc?

Thanks.

Henchies have a set skill bar, set attributes,a set weapon, set runes and set insigs and Preprogrammed AI responses, and you can not flag multiple henchies.

Hero's are completly custom, Skill bars, weapons, armor, runes and insigs, and 3 different preprogrammed AI modes, Attack,Guard,Avoid and can be locked on to targets as well as controled by flaging.

The real question is why did you ask such a dumb question that everyone in the entire GW world should know?

Olim Chill · Dec 21, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by IslandHermet

Hero's are completly custom, Skill bars, weapons, armor, runes and insigs, and 3 different preprogrammed AI modes, Attack,Guard,Avoid and can be locked on to targets as well as controled by flaging.

And Vekk can kill enemies with his brain. Sold.

rubina1 · Dec 21, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Where can I find more information about these hero-henchmen?

Darkobra · Dec 21, 2007, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

But only as good as the player who has them.
The potential and concept of the heroes are great, but if you and your bar suck they will too.

So, yeah, while heroes are in general better for those very same reasons list above they can also be worse.

Half the time, a bar doesn't define a player. I was playing with an elementalist in hard mode today. His build wasn't TERRIBLE, just not very energy efficient for the power he was churning out. He was still learning the game and didn't have very many skills. With those skills he used, (he actually took a snare for melee, believe it or not. I was impressed with that.) he was actually BETTER than most of the PUGS I've come across.

We didn't finish the mission because his assassin friend had control of the two monk heroes and charged in to battle things on the other end of the map. Although we didn't die, he was too far away with the monk heroes when Confessor Dorian was desperately needing healing.

Olim Chill · Dec 21, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by rubina1

Where can I find more information about these hero-henchmen?

Check out GuildWiki.

oresteez · Dec 21, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Too bad heroes makes this game more like a single-player dungeon crawler.

Coridan · Dec 21, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Oresteez...while i do agree in part with that...what you need to do is find a really active guild that's focus is on creating groups and clearing areas with guild members

anonymous · Dec 21, 2007, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by oresteez

Too bad heroes makes this game more like a single-player dungeon crawler.

If PUGs weren't so bad and could get ready in under 1 minute I wouldn't use heroes all the time. But most pugs are bad and take forever to get 8 people together.

oresteez · Dec 21, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13

I do have to find more of an active guild...that's just my initial feelings...and I've only been playing a little less than 2 weeks now...I do really like this game...but I don't feel the social interaction or interactivity like I felt in WoW...

I guess it's just a tradeoff..either that or I'm just not seeing it..YET.

anonymous · Dec 21, 2007, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by oresteez

I do have to find more of an active guild...that's just my initial feelings...and I've only been playing a little less than 2 weeks now...I do really like this game...but I don't feel the social interaction or interactivity like I felt in WoW...

I guess it's just a tradeoff..either that or I'm just not seeing it..YET.

Theres your problem. No one groups for easy normal mode storyline stuff because it is a waste of time. Get into a guild that does hard mode elite missions.

Dec 21, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41	#1
Vanchatron Banned Join Date: May 2007 Guild: [MNM] Profession: E/Me	Why Are Heroes Superior To Hench? I was just wondering, because people always take heroes instead of hench when they're in a party. Is it just because you can give your heroes specific weapons/armor etc which you can't do with hench? Or is it because heroes have better AI & therefore know how to cope better with certain situations etc? Thanks.

Dec 21, 2007, 10:46 AM // 10:46	#3
Avarre Bubblegum Patrol Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Singapore Armed Forces	You can give them skillbars that aren't terrible. __________________ And the heavens shall tremble.

Dec 21, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44	#2
my2cent Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2007	1:able to be customised with with skill/proffession/weapon 2:u can flag heroes individualy hench u cant.

Dec 21, 2007, 10:48 AM // 10:48	#4
roguey Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2006	with heroes you can adjust them and select which skills you want them to have. As you know some skills are better than others and the hench skills can range. Heroes also have 2 professions unlike hench's 1, again improving skills. The usage of runes also help boost skills. You can also flag each hero (put healer at the back for example). When they made the hero, it really killed off a lot of cooperative game play for many people.

Dec 21, 2007, 10:54 AM // 10:54	#5
Vanchatron Banned Join Date: May 2007 Guild: [MNM] Profession: E/Me	Thanks a lot

Dec 21, 2007, 11:59 AM // 11:59	#6
Kale Ironfist Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Venatio Illuminata [VEIL] Profession: W/	Runes Insignia Weapons with mods Proper skillbars Individual flagging What's not to like?

Dec 21, 2007, 12:02 PM // 12:02	#7
Da Mad M00 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/Mo	And add the ability to micro manage them. For example make someone cast Protective Spirit on you before you pull that one nasty group and things like that

Dec 21, 2007, 12:35 PM // 12:35	#8
Darkobra Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Guild: Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot Profession: E/Me	Repeatable resurrects, more than 4 skills... Good ones at that.

Dec 21, 2007, 01:04 PM // 13:04	#9
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	Heros allow you to build a party with complimentary skills. You can customized thier skills to match perfectly with the map you are on allowing for a much easier time.

Dec 21, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23	#13
rubina1 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2007	Where can I find more information about these hero-henchmen?

Dec 21, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47	#16
oresteez Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2007	Too bad heroes makes this game more like a single-player dungeon crawler.

Dec 21, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54	#17
Coridan Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: US Guild: Old Married Gamers {OMG} Profession: W/	Oresteez...while i do agree in part with that...what you need to do is find a really active guild that's focus is on creating groups and clearing areas with guild members

Dec 21, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13	#19
oresteez Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2007	I do have to find more of an active guild...that's just my initial feelings...and I've only been playing a little less than 2 weeks now...I do really like this game...but I don't feel the social interaction or interactivity like I felt in WoW... I guess it's just a tradeoff..either that or I'm just not seeing it..YET.