What Happened to Slaver's Exile? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

Alexandra-Sweet · Jan 13, 2008, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Ursan, anyone?

Faer · Jan 13, 2008, 10:25 AM // 10:25

Tanks are so baaaaed.

I wish the AI would learn that if a single high AL or heavily protted target was the only thing within aggro range, that it should run past that target and go for all the sexy squishies that are undoubtedly half an aggro bubble behind it.

plz anet plz i rly need

blue.rellik · Jan 13, 2008, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by Faer

Tanks are so baaaaed.

I wish the AI would learn that if a single high AL or heavily protted target was the only thing within aggro range, that it should run past that target and go for all the sexy squishies that are undoubtedly half an aggro bubble behind it.

plz anet plz i rly need

What happens if it's a warrior spamming 'SY?'. Then the mobs will focus on the warrior again!

Asha Rai · Jan 13, 2008, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Perhaps I'm missing something, but what is wrong with tanking? If all mobs are attacking just one or two guys up front (or a minion wall), the prot monk has a much easier time, and aoe skills (splinter barrage, sf, sh, ms, ancestors rage, cry of pain, aoe snares, etc) are far more effective. On the other hand, if agro is spread through the party, everyone will be taking damage and getting interrupted, heroes and squishies will be too busy kiting to do damage and you have a recipe for a wipe. In the majority of guildwars this isn't an issue since its pretty easy, and careful agro control will only slow you down. But in a difficult place like slavers, I can't see why maintaining agro on select players is a bad thing.

I acknowledge there are many strategies for destroying monsters, but why all the tanking hate?

Chrono Re delle Ere · Jan 13, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

There is no need for a tank, otherwise I would not explain myself how I did manage to do Thommis, Selvetarm and the other guy (not forgewright, neede real team there

) and Duncan himself just by hero/henching. And no, I was not using ursan -.-

Mineria · Jan 13, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by TaCktiX

You need a tank for Slaver's. The mob size is through the roof, and no non-dedicated-tank build will make it through without needing Consumables.

Try to explain that to one of my ele friends.
She did entire Slavers with no tank what so ever.
Only heroes and henchmen, warrior and dervish where not included.

Melkorium · Jan 13, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41

Yeah, tanks are not NEEDED, they're just one way of skinning the Slaver's cat. A pretty slow way in my opinion. I just romped it with H/H and no consumables

zwei2stein · Jan 13, 2008, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by Asha Rai

... heroes and squishies will be too busy kiting to do damage and you have a recipe for a wipe. ...

Well played Duality way certainly wont be overloaded enough to wipe. Thats whole point of runing it.

On the other hand, when tankway looses aggro, exact thing you described happens - except, squishies have no idea how to kite as a) they either stand there and cast and die or b) run around randomly withot casting anything and transfer aggro to a) group squishies. Monks used to focus on healing one person are unable to prioritize heals and prots. And in adition to all that you have one completelly useless party member out there.

Gregslot · Jan 13, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50

So what was your teamset with hero and henchies?
My only problem at Slavers are the interrupts and the sandstorm (wich henchman seem to like to stay in the middle and attack, even beeing a monk)

Faer · Jan 13, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

What happens if it's a warrior spamming 'SY?'. Then the mobs will focus on the warrior again!

"SY!" should be removed from the game. It would be the answer to many problems.

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Originally Posted by Asha Rai

I acknowledge there are many strategies for destroying monsters, but why all the tanking hate?

1. It can be (and, in my own experience, always is) a heck of a lot slower than balanced.
2. It's a heck of a lot less action-packed than balanced, which tends to make things boring and repetitive (also known as "grindy").
3. If the tank loses aggro, everyone else is ****ed. The team builds aren't set up to deal with party-wide pressure properly.
4. Warriors were made to deal damage.

Tarkin · Jan 13, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

the summits from duncan are the best foes you will find, they have MM, Rezmers, good monks with interupts, barrage rangers everyfoe have double class...
They are very hard to kill without consumables, ursan or a tank strategy

Asha Rai · Jan 13, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Well played Duality way certainly wont be overloaded enough to wipe. Thats whole point of runing it.

On the other hand, when tankway looses aggro, exact thing you described happens - except, squishies have no idea how to kite as a) they either stand there and cast and die or b) run around randomly withot casting anything and transfer aggro to a) group squishies. Monks used to focus on healing one person are unable to prioritize heals and prots. And in adition to all that you have one completelly useless party member out there.

What is duality?

Wrath of m0o · Jan 14, 2008, 09:05 AM // 09:05

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Originally Posted by TaCktiX

You need a tank for Slaver's. The mob size is through the roof, and no non-dedicated-tank build will make it through without needing Consumables.

I complete all of slavers including Duncan with Hero/Hench and i dont use any Tanks or Warriors. And i dont use consumables or ursan. So i have to disagree with you needing a tank in slavers.

Gregslot · Jan 15, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

So... can anyone tell me what were your teamset, please?
I am having some trouble on finding what i need to get through slavers with H/H!

strat_53711 · Jan 15, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Post your H/H Team build, I'm curious to see what team builds are faster than Ob Flesh Tank, 3 SH Ele's, Rit/Ranger Splinter Barrager FS, SS/SoS/Swap Necro, Bonder/PS Monk and Healer Monk.

If everyone party member knows his/her job, all areas of Slaver's Exile goes pretty quick.

Jan 13, 2008, 10:25 AM // 10:25	#22
Faer La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo Join Date: Feb 2006	Tanks are so baaaaed. I wish the AI would learn that if a single high AL or heavily protted target was the only thing within aggro range, that it should run past that target and go for all the sexy squishies that are undoubtedly half an aggro bubble behind it. plz anet plz i rly need __________________ Stay Breezy

Jan 13, 2008, 10:20 AM // 10:20	#21
Alexandra-Sweet Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: That one place with the trees, mountains and snow Guild: Ember Power Mercenaries [EMP] Profession: Me/	Ursan, anyone?

Jan 13, 2008, 12:03 PM // 12:03	#24
Asha Rai Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2007 Guild: Gone Profession: R/W	Perhaps I'm missing something, but what is wrong with tanking? If all mobs are attacking just one or two guys up front (or a minion wall), the prot monk has a much easier time, and aoe skills (splinter barrage, sf, sh, ms, ancestors rage, cry of pain, aoe snares, etc) are far more effective. On the other hand, if agro is spread through the party, everyone will be taking damage and getting interrupted, heroes and squishies will be too busy kiting to do damage and you have a recipe for a wipe. In the majority of guildwars this isn't an issue since its pretty easy, and careful agro control will only slow you down. But in a difficult place like slavers, I can't see why maintaining agro on select players is a bad thing. I acknowledge there are many strategies for destroying monsters, but why all the tanking hate?

Jan 13, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56	#25
Chrono Re delle Ere Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Land of Hyrule Guild: [GoE] Profession: W/	There is no need for a tank, otherwise I would not explain myself how I did manage to do Thommis, Selvetarm and the other guy (not forgewright, neede real team there ) and Duncan himself just by hero/henching. And no, I was not using ursan -.-

Jan 13, 2008, 01:41 PM // 13:41	#27
Melkorium Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2006	Yeah, tanks are not NEEDED, they're just one way of skinning the Slaver's cat. A pretty slow way in my opinion. I just romped it with H/H and no consumables

Jan 13, 2008, 06:50 PM // 18:50	#29
Gregslot Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Profession: Me/	So what was your teamset with hero and henchies? My only problem at Slavers are the interrupts and the sandstorm (wich henchman seem to like to stay in the middle and attack, even beeing a monk)

Jan 13, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48	#31
Tarkin Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: W/N	the summits from duncan are the best foes you will find, they have MM, Rezmers, good monks with interupts, barrage rangers everyfoe have double class... They are very hard to kill without consumables, ursan or a tank strategy

Jan 15, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22	#34
Gregslot Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Profession: Me/	So... can anyone tell me what were your teamset, please? I am having some trouble on finding what i need to get through slavers with H/H!

Jan 15, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39	#35
strat_53711 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2006	Post your H/H Team build, I'm curious to see what team builds are faster than Ob Flesh Tank, 3 SH Ele's, Rit/Ranger Splinter Barrager FS, SS/SoS/Swap Necro, Bonder/PS Monk and Healer Monk. If everyone party member knows his/her job, all areas of Slaver's Exile goes pretty quick.