How "tolerant" are people in the high-level areas? - Guild Wars Forums

beamerxl · Jul 03, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

I'm talking Hall of Heroes, Fissure, Underworld, etc. I haven't quite finished the missions yet, I'm at Thunderhead Keep, and I'm far from rich, but I want to get out and see what these areas are like. Are people going to get all mad at me and call me a newb just because I don't have 15k armor or a perfected skillset yet? If I have to deal with people's grief, then it's not worth it, I'll just wait till I'm stronger.

theclam · Jul 03, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

People don't really care what your skillset is, or if you have 15k armor, as long as you be nice and do your job. If you're at Thunderhead Keep, then HoH, FoW, and UW are perfectly acceptable places to go.

Brizi · Jul 03, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28

Yea, Im not there yet but when I get there I doubt that i will have my 15k armor either, with my necro I mean. I think that the high lvl areas are better because there are some people that will actually answer questions that you have and not be jerks about it.

Ketendra · Jul 03, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Alot of people dont even get the 15k armor just because they are trying to save up for the underworld armor, so dont worry about that.

The type of people you get in a group varies. I always do pick up groups, and most of the time the people are very nice, with the occasional jerk. I just put that jerk on my list of people to never group with again and find someone else.

Racthoh · Jul 03, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06

I have three people on my ignore list for good reason. They were arrogant, spamming useless stuff, swearing, insulting everyone is the group... really annoying. Generally, if you listen to what your leader says, no one will get angry at you.

Naturally you will probably run into those morons who insult the dye you used on your armour... some people...

Spike · Jul 03, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02

or the ones who say being a ranger and/or haveing a pet is useless and then all die before you/he does.

Feli · Jul 03, 2005, 11:07 PM // 23:07

No one demands the 15k set, that is just nonsense. But what i expect from my team is at least the armor from Droknars Forge when going into Underworld or Fissure of Woe. Nothing, except for flaming, dropy my healing priority on you faster then seeing you take unusual high damage for a long time.

Serious people, no droknar armor, no Underworld/Fissure. Countless are the times a team failed by now due to other leechers who think "well let's go to underworld to level fast to 20". You are heavily hampering your team if you are taking uber damage.

shinseikaze · Jul 03, 2005, 11:16 PM // 23:16

I dont see the need of the 15k armour i rather spend my money on a rare mod for my staff

kirkmping · Jul 03, 2005, 11:37 PM // 23:37

well, some people that go to UW or FoW will give advice to arrange your skills the best possible way. As long as you follow instructions (eg. not agroing, talking to ghosts and getting the wrong missions) you will do fine. If you arent sure what to do, ask.

Garrett · Jul 03, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

They are usually tolerant if you do your "job" as precieved by them. One thing that may get you in trouble with the monks is if you are a caster/warr.
This is really what was a hinderance when I was monk, since their hp drops like a rock AND they are trying to melee.

Lasareth · Jul 04, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Feli

No one demands the 15k set, that is just nonsense. But what i expect from my team is at least the armor from Droknars Forge when going into Underworld or Fissure of Woe. Nothing, except for flaming, dropy my healing priority on you faster then seeing you take unusual high damage for a long time.

Serious people, no droknar armor, no Underworld/Fissure. Countless are the times a team failed by now due to other leechers who think "well let's go to underworld to level fast to 20". You are heavily hampering your team if you are taking uber damage.

I frequently take large amounts of damage simply because I'm an elementalist. Being attacked is part of the job, as most of the time as soon as I get into casting range they forget about the tanks and go for me (ranger monsters and mesmers particularly). I would be... disappointed... to say the least, if a monk were to assume I had bad armor and didn't heal.

Keep in mind I need to cast my spells too. So I've got to take a few seconds of heat before I can run out of the way.

Of course, only I would really know for sure the damage I would be taking. All the monk would see is my life bar going down fast. And with 60AL in the fissure, I wouldn't expect much less of the monsters.

Aniewiel · Jul 04, 2005, 12:16 AM // 00:16

So...let me get this right: I have a great build on a Me/Mo. She wears good armor with lots of runes added, has a great rare staff and all that but because she doesn't wear Drokkar's armor or UW armor she wouldn't be welcome in the group? Interesting and kind of snobbish, don't you think?

Being a competent...actually, better than competent player, I don't get hit. I make it a point to be pretty careful about NOT getting hit or taking much damage. I can heal myself -and- assist pretty well with healing others as well as cast the best mesmer skills.

While I've sort of come to a halt---got caught up building my Mo/R---, my Me/Mo is in the latter stages of the game. I hope that I don't run into people who won't allow me into their groups just because I'm not sporting the 'best' armor. When I have the cash, I suppose I'll buy it but until then, I hope you're not telling me she's useless.

Santosh · Jul 04, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by Lasareth

I frequently take large amounts of damage simply because I'm an elementalist. Being attacked is part of the job, as most of the time as soon as I get into casting range they forget about the tanks and go for me (ranger monsters and mesmers particularly).

I play a monk, both in UW and FoW. Just my opinion, but you should try and be in casting range only to cast on what your main assist warrior is hitting. Cast and only cast nukes after the warrior has gained agro. If some mobs peel off from the warrior and attack you, just maneuver them towards your warrior. Don't run to your monk.

Two things to remember:
1) Mobs die fastest when everyone assists on the same target. Saves a great deal of healing energy, too.
2) As long as the mobs are not in your agro circle, they will not attack you.

Santosh · Jul 04, 2005, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

So...let me get this right: I have a great build on a Me/Mo. She wears good armor with lots of runes added, has a great rare staff and all that but because she doesn't wear Drokkar's armor or UW armor she wouldn't be welcome in the group? Interesting and kind of snobbish, don't you think?

It's not so much about your skill as a Mesmer/Monk. If you don't have the high end (Droknar) armor, it won't help much down in the Underworld or Fissure of Woe. You can still get killed in less than 3 seconds. Sometimes one hit and you're dead. Having Droknar helps because the higher AC mitigates some of the damage.

Aniewiel · Jul 04, 2005, 01:30 AM // 01:30

*frowns* Guess I'd better go out and start earning some money instead of spending it all equipping my other characters and buying stuff.

Enigmatics · Jul 04, 2005, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Well I opted to buy sup vigors instead of 15k armor. Call me vein. Droknars armor is normal armor, you mean *citadel* armor, that's the 15k set. As for UW armor, it costs around 800k for the unprepared.

Ketendra · Jul 04, 2005, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Keep in mind - when people mention the Droknar armor - its only the 1.5k stuff no the 15k stuff. Do what I did and just save your crafting materials and get one piece at a time, no one said you need to get the whole set at once

Hell Marauder · Jul 04, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10

yea, do monk a favor and have best armor (highest armor lvl, not necessarily the most expensive) before going there. Actually, it's better to wait until you ascend and receive those 30 attribute points before you go. And if you worry about people's attitudes, try go to UW/Fissure with your guildies, they are the most friendly and informative people in the game.

Feli · Jul 04, 2005, 09:13 AM // 09:13

Yes, i am speaking about the 1.5 k Droknars Armor, else i'd mention Marhans Grotto or the Granite Citadel. However, there is a damn huge difference between a 60 AL Armor and a 30 AL Armor. That is not snobbish or anything, you are wasting my monks energy faster then a elemental deciding to tank an Ataxe without protective spirit or any other heavy protection spell on him.

You don't believe it? Call me snobbish then, i don't care. But if you got no Droknar Armor you don't even belong into the Underworld or the Fissure.

Let's make an example:
My Monk is mostly wearing the censor set, which translates into 40 Energy.
Given a party with Droknars Armor i can cast healing seed on one of the tanks and Vigorous Spirits on the others and have them happy for quite some time.

Let's take two tanks for example. The place is the fissure of woe. I spent 20 Mana and still have a lot to go with Peace and Harmony active. One Shadow Beast goes for the caster standing in the aggro circle (the white ring on YOUR radar) , the caster gets bashed on but it is nothing i can't handle. The hits are around 30-50. A small healing breeze and an orison of healing now and then will just keep the elementalist alive long enough to drop the aggro back on the tank. All is fine and i still have energy to go.

Now take the modern Temple of Ages Group, consisting of atleast 4 People who blatantly lied about their armor when you asked them at the beginning. There is the "great" tank with that lowbie Armor from Ascalon. Dude, i cast healing seed on him, expecting him to soak some damage when instead he REALLY soaks some damage. Enough of it to force me into constant healing rather then leaving him alone. Then that Shadow Beast goes for the elemental and lands some hits. The elementalist is taking extremely huge damage (more then normal, trust me... i know what kind of damage is normal to take and what kind of damage just results from lowbie armor) so a healing breeze and an orison just won't do... so i use heal other which heals for a 190+32. However by the time the cooldown time lowered enough the elementalist alrleady has taken far MORE damage then those 190+32 points. I need to cast another heal other followed up by an orison of healing, with a protective spirit inbetween...
In the meantime my Energy hits 0 and the tank with the lowbie armor takes serious damage still. No energy to heal and the second tank with droknar armor takes damage too. Now just make a guess who i will heal asap? The one soaking my energy or the one that is able to do his job?

Don't get me wrong... i do not care if your armor has 51 or 60 AL, that is not THAT much of a difference...
But i seriously don't want you in my team if your AL is 30 or even less. Especially not when you are the "tank". Sure a monk can work around damage for a while, but it is soaking precious energy... energy you just won't regenerate fast enough, even with peace and harmony.

Jack Longblood · Jul 06, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

It would be nice if you could do ToA with hench.

Jul 03, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31	#1
beamerxl Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2005	How "tolerant" are people in the high-level areas? I'm talking Hall of Heroes, Fissure, Underworld, etc. I haven't quite finished the missions yet, I'm at Thunderhead Keep, and I'm far from rich, but I want to get out and see what these areas are like. Are people going to get all mad at me and call me a newb just because I don't have 15k armor or a perfected skillset yet? If I have to deal with people's grief, then it's not worth it, I'll just wait till I'm stronger.

Jul 03, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57	#2
theclam Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	People don't really care what your skillset is, or if you have 15k armor, as long as you be nice and do your job. If you're at Thunderhead Keep, then HoH, FoW, and UW are perfectly acceptable places to go.

Jul 03, 2005, 05:28 PM // 17:28	#3
Brizi Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Tha Punishers Profession: N/Me	Yea, Im not there yet but when I get there I doubt that i will have my 15k armor either, with my necro I mean. I think that the high lvl areas are better because there are some people that will actually answer questions that you have and not be jerks about it.

Jul 03, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58	#4
Ketendra Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Guild: JackKnife Brigade Profession: E/Mo	Alot of people dont even get the 15k armor just because they are trying to save up for the underworld armor, so dont worry about that. The type of people you get in a group varies. I always do pick up groups, and most of the time the people are very nice, with the occasional jerk. I just put that jerk on my list of people to never group with again and find someone else.

Jul 03, 2005, 09:06 PM // 21:06	#5
Racthoh Did I hear 7 heroes? Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)	I have three people on my ignore list for good reason. They were arrogant, spamming useless stuff, swearing, insulting everyone is the group... really annoying. Generally, if you listen to what your leader says, no one will get angry at you. Naturally you will probably run into those morons who insult the dye you used on your armour... some people...

Jul 03, 2005, 11:02 PM // 23:02	#6
Spike Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: In front of my PC Guild: Kai Profession: E/Mo	or the ones who say being a ranger and/or haveing a pet is useless and then all die before you/he does.

Jul 03, 2005, 11:07 PM // 23:07	#7
Feli Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	No one demands the 15k set, that is just nonsense. But what i expect from my team is at least the armor from Droknars Forge when going into Underworld or Fissure of Woe. Nothing, except for flaming, dropy my healing priority on you faster then seeing you take unusual high damage for a long time. Serious people, no droknar armor, no Underworld/Fissure. Countless are the times a team failed by now due to other leechers who think "well let's go to underworld to level fast to 20". You are heavily hampering your team if you are taking uber damage.

Jul 03, 2005, 11:16 PM // 23:16	#8
shinseikaze Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dark Side Of The Force Profession: E/Mo	I dont see the need of the 15k armour i rather spend my money on a rare mod for my staff

Jul 03, 2005, 11:37 PM // 23:37	#9
kirkmping Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Brothers of the Blood Profession: W/N	well, some people that go to UW or FoW will give advice to arrange your skills the best possible way. As long as you follow instructions (eg. not agroing, talking to ghosts and getting the wrong missions) you will do fine. If you arent sure what to do, ask.

Jul 03, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55	#10
Garrett Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2005 Guild: Triple X {XXX} Profession: Mo/	They are usually tolerant if you do your "job" as precieved by them. One thing that may get you in trouble with the monks is if you are a caster/warr. This is really what was a hinderance when I was monk, since their hp drops like a rock AND they are trying to melee.

Jul 04, 2005, 12:16 AM // 00:16	#12
Aniewiel Smite Mistress Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Land of AZ, USA Profession: Rt/E	So...let me get this right: I have a great build on a Me/Mo. She wears good armor with lots of runes added, has a great rare staff and all that but because she doesn't wear Drokkar's armor or UW armor she wouldn't be welcome in the group? Interesting and kind of snobbish, don't you think? Being a competent...actually, better than competent player, I don't get hit. I make it a point to be pretty careful about NOT getting hit or taking much damage. I can heal myself -and- assist pretty well with healing others as well as cast the best mesmer skills. While I've sort of come to a halt---got caught up building my Mo/R---, my Me/Mo is in the latter stages of the game. I hope that I don't run into people who won't allow me into their groups just because I'm not sporting the 'best' armor. When I have the cash, I suppose I'll buy it but until then, I hope you're not telling me she's useless.

Jul 04, 2005, 01:30 AM // 01:30	#15
Aniewiel Smite Mistress Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Land of AZ, USA Profession: Rt/E	frowns Guess I'd better go out and start earning some money instead of spending it all equipping my other characters and buying stuff.

Jul 04, 2005, 02:40 AM // 02:40	#16
Enigmatics Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tenafly, NJ Guild: Defenders of Rillanon Profession: W/Mo	Well I opted to buy sup vigors instead of 15k armor. Call me vein. Droknars armor is normal armor, you mean citadel armor, that's the 15k set. As for UW armor, it costs around 800k for the unprepared.

Jul 04, 2005, 05:34 AM // 05:34	#17
Ketendra Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York Guild: JackKnife Brigade Profession: E/Mo	Keep in mind - when people mention the Droknar armor - its only the 1.5k stuff no the 15k stuff. Do what I did and just save your crafting materials and get one piece at a time, no one said you need to get the whole set at once

Jul 04, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10	#18
Hell Marauder Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005	yea, do monk a favor and have best armor (highest armor lvl, not necessarily the most expensive) before going there. Actually, it's better to wait until you ascend and receive those 30 attribute points before you go. And if you worry about people's attitudes, try go to UW/Fissure with your guildies, they are the most friendly and informative people in the game.

Jul 04, 2005, 09:13 AM // 09:13	#19
Feli Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005	Yes, i am speaking about the 1.5 k Droknars Armor, else i'd mention Marhans Grotto or the Granite Citadel. However, there is a damn huge difference between a 60 AL Armor and a 30 AL Armor. That is not snobbish or anything, you are wasting my monks energy faster then a elemental deciding to tank an Ataxe without protective spirit or any other heavy protection spell on him. You don't believe it? Call me snobbish then, i don't care. But if you got no Droknar Armor you don't even belong into the Underworld or the Fissure. Let's make an example: My Monk is mostly wearing the censor set, which translates into 40 Energy. Given a party with Droknars Armor i can cast healing seed on one of the tanks and Vigorous Spirits on the others and have them happy for quite some time. Let's take two tanks for example. The place is the fissure of woe. I spent 20 Mana and still have a lot to go with Peace and Harmony active. One Shadow Beast goes for the caster standing in the aggro circle (the white ring on YOUR radar) , the caster gets bashed on but it is nothing i can't handle. The hits are around 30-50. A small healing breeze and an orison of healing now and then will just keep the elementalist alive long enough to drop the aggro back on the tank. All is fine and i still have energy to go. Now take the modern Temple of Ages Group, consisting of atleast 4 People who blatantly lied about their armor when you asked them at the beginning. There is the "great" tank with that lowbie Armor from Ascalon. Dude, i cast healing seed on him, expecting him to soak some damage when instead he REALLY soaks some damage. Enough of it to force me into constant healing rather then leaving him alone. Then that Shadow Beast goes for the elemental and lands some hits. The elementalist is taking extremely huge damage (more then normal, trust me... i know what kind of damage is normal to take and what kind of damage just results from lowbie armor) so a healing breeze and an orison just won't do... so i use heal other which heals for a 190+32. However by the time the cooldown time lowered enough the elementalist alrleady has taken far MORE damage then those 190+32 points. I need to cast another heal other followed up by an orison of healing, with a protective spirit inbetween... In the meantime my Energy hits 0 and the tank with the lowbie armor takes serious damage still. No energy to heal and the second tank with droknar armor takes damage too. Now just make a guess who i will heal asap? The one soaking my energy or the one that is able to do his job? Don't get me wrong... i do not care if your armor has 51 or 60 AL, that is not THAT much of a difference... But i seriously don't want you in my team if your AL is 30 or even less. Especially not when you are the "tank". Sure a monk can work around damage for a while, but it is soaking precious energy... energy you just won't regenerate fast enough, even with peace and harmony.

Jul 06, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32	#20
Jack Longblood Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Profession: R/N	It would be nice if you could do ToA with hench.