Anything moving always dodges or blocks - Guild Wars Forums

brakner · Feb 13, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Is there anti kiting code? On my ranger I always try to do the initial alpha with Barrage - Splinter Weapon and rank 8 "I am the strongest" as it can do a huge amount of damage to the squishies. At the same time I flag the melee hero right into the middle of their path which usually takes any focused agro and get the casters to let lose with AOE. I have noticed on mobs like the centaurs, raptors or anything that moves slightly fast, they will always dodge or block all shots. If I wait for them to stop all shots hit and they get quite annoyed and try to do nasty things to me.

Pesi · Feb 13, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Buy a Recurve Bow, and you wont miss as much!
You can look it up the Bow types here- http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Bow

Notice also: Raptors are using "Critical Defenses"(block 75%).
Notice also: Modniir Berserkers are using "Protector's Defense"(block 75% for all adjacent allies).

Numa Pompilius · Feb 13, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

It's because the game auto-aims for you, and fires at where the mob should be by the time the arrow reaches the target, provided the mob moves in a straight line and at constant speed. Normally, however, the mob detects you the instant you fire, and either stop or rush towards you - meaning you'll miss.

Fix: don't open with expensive bow attacks against enemies who've not yet detected you.

EDIT: Using a faster bow, such as a recurve, will also help a bit, as the mobs wont get as far before the arrow hits - and because you wont as often be firing at them before they've detected you, due to the shorter range.

Magic Wut Huh Asdf · Feb 13, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Centaurs in the eotn have [skill]protector's defense[/skill] (aoe block), and raptors have [skill]critical defenses[/skill]. In addition, if your shot fires off, and they start moving a split second later, they will always dodge your arrows unless they are moving faster because of something like favorable winds.

pygar · Feb 13, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Well, you could try a recurve bow if you aren't already...the direct arrow flight doesnt get dodged as often...

Or it could also be the AI is just made to do that....myself I stopped using barrage a long time ago due to similar issues, either bad guys were deliberatly dodging, or mobs would never stand close enough to get more than 2 hits at a time (and also too much scatter damage as opposed to focused damage was causing /fail for my barrage builds)

Sounds like a compounded problem for you with all the stuff you are stacking on top of barrage....It may just be time for you to run a new build.(or at least a different Elite)

brakner · Feb 13, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57

I only run the 3 skills and with pretty much any opponent it hits ( when they are moving normal or casting ) I usually pull with a long bow or flatbow and use a Droknar Shortbow once things get closer. The rest of my bar is 2 interups, "go for the eyes", 24 armor banner and "Never Surrender!" I am R/P and usually use Sab's 3x necro's, one has Splinter and since I am the only Ranger she usually keeps me in Splinter the whole fight.

Anyway, it's hard to pass up a screen full of yellow 50 a 60 damage, that stretches so far you left and right almost go off your wide screen monitor

. It just makes you go giggity giggity. ( not that I would....out loud......er ....)

pygar · Feb 13, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by brakner

I only run the 3 things and with pretty much any opponent it hits ( when they are moving normal or casting ) I usually pull with a long bow or flatbow and use a Droknar Shortbow once things get closer.

Anyway, it's hard to pass up a screen full of yellow 50 a 60 damage, that stretches so far you left and right almost go off your wide screen monitor

. It just makes you go giggity giggity. ( not that I would....out loud......er ....)

Barrage is neat when it does that, but the further you go in the game the less effective barrage seems to be. Ironically, it was the Raptors in EOTN you mentioned above that made me drop Barrage and never look back. Especially the way you describe it, it sounds like you are burning up half your power just setting up your opening attack, then after you hit Barrage a few times, nothing has died and worse the enemy is on top of you, and you have little or no power left to defend yourself with.

Barrage is a good Elite, but from my experience, and from reading what other people like to use, Barrage may not even be in the "top 5" of Ranger Elites. You could use Burning Arrow instead for better single target damage, or Crip-shot would slow the Raptors down, and is also unblockable.

brakner · Feb 13, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13

I might have dropped barrage also but with the Norn "I am the strongest" which has no duration, Splinter from a hero and the 60% crit from "Go for the Eyes", it is costing me only 3 energy a shot to do huge damage ( Expertise ) . I have tried pretty much every combo listed on the forums and like this the best for dungeon crawls.

Thanks for all the tips about blocking mobs , I will not expect barrage to hit on these and will focus on getting the banner down for protection and let the casters nuke them down.

Feb 13, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27	#1
brakner Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Guild: Glade Runners [GR] Profession: R/P	Anything moving always dodges or blocks Is there anti kiting code? On my ranger I always try to do the initial alpha with Barrage - Splinter Weapon and rank 8 "I am the strongest" as it can do a huge amount of damage to the squishies. At the same time I flag the melee hero right into the middle of their path which usually takes any focused agro and get the casters to let lose with AOE. I have noticed on mobs like the centaurs, raptors or anything that moves slightly fast, they will always dodge or block all shots. If I wait for them to stop all shots hit and they get quite annoyed and try to do nasty things to me.

Feb 13, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35	#2
Pesi Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Droknars Forge Guild: No Goats No Glory Profession: Me/	Buy a Recurve Bow, and you wont miss as much! You can look it up the Bow types here- http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Bow Notice also: Raptors are using "Critical Defenses"(block 75%). Notice also: Modniir Berserkers are using "Protector's Defense"(block 75% for all adjacent allies). Last edited by Pesi; Feb 13, 2008 at 04:40 PM // 16:40..

Feb 13, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38	#5
pygar Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2007 Guild: KORM Profession: R/Mo	Well, you could try a recurve bow if you aren't already...the direct arrow flight doesnt get dodged as often... Or it could also be the AI is just made to do that....myself I stopped using barrage a long time ago due to similar issues, either bad guys were deliberatly dodging, or mobs would never stand close enough to get more than 2 hits at a time (and also too much scatter damage as opposed to focused damage was causing /fail for my barrage builds) Sounds like a compounded problem for you with all the stuff you are stacking on top of barrage....It may just be time for you to run a new build.(or at least a different Elite) Last edited by pygar; Feb 13, 2008 at 04:58 PM // 16:58..

Feb 13, 2008, 04:57 PM // 16:57	#6
brakner Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Guild: Glade Runners [GR] Profession: R/P	I only run the 3 skills and with pretty much any opponent it hits ( when they are moving normal or casting ) I usually pull with a long bow or flatbow and use a Droknar Shortbow once things get closer. The rest of my bar is 2 interups, "go for the eyes", 24 armor banner and "Never Surrender!" I am R/P and usually use Sab's 3x necro's, one has Splinter and since I am the only Ranger she usually keeps me in Splinter the whole fight. Anyway, it's hard to pass up a screen full of yellow 50 a 60 damage, that stretches so far you left and right almost go off your wide screen monitor . It just makes you go giggity giggity. ( not that I would....out loud......er ....) Last edited by brakner; Feb 13, 2008 at 05:03 PM // 17:03..

Feb 13, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35	#3
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	It's because the game auto-aims for you, and fires at where the mob should be by the time the arrow reaches the target, provided the mob moves in a straight line and at constant speed. Normally, however, the mob detects you the instant you fire, and either stop or rush towards you - meaning you'll miss. Fix: don't open with expensive bow attacks against enemies who've not yet detected you. EDIT: Using a faster bow, such as a recurve, will also help a bit, as the mobs wont get as far before the arrow hits - and because you wont as often be firing at them before they've detected you, due to the shorter range.

Feb 13, 2008, 04:36 PM // 16:36	#4
Magic Wut Huh Asdf Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: Our Peaceful Aria [Live] Profession: R/Me	Centaurs in the eotn have [skill]protector's defense[/skill] (aoe block), and raptors have [skill]critical defenses[/skill]. In addition, if your shot fires off, and they start moving a split second later, they will always dodge your arrows unless they are moving faster because of something like favorable winds.

Feb 13, 2008, 05:13 PM // 17:13	#8
brakner Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Guild: Glade Runners [GR] Profession: R/P	I might have dropped barrage also but with the Norn "I am the strongest" which has no duration, Splinter from a hero and the 60% crit from "Go for the Eyes", it is costing me only 3 energy a shot to do huge damage ( Expertise ) . I have tried pretty much every combo listed on the forums and like this the best for dungeon crawls. Thanks for all the tips about blocking mobs , I will not expect barrage to hit on these and will focus on getting the banner down for protection and let the casters nuke them down.