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Goblinmatt · Feb 24, 2008, 03:01 PM // 15:01

Well I decided to try and get back into guild wars again. I was mainly a big pvper, I dont think I ever finished a whole campaign.

I was hoping to maybe try a farming build but it got me thinking. Why farm? All the expensive armor and weapons seem kind of pointless to me, same with mini pets and titles. When I made 100k on the new year just from buying and selling fireworks I could not think of anything to actually spend my money on. I've resorted to buying flames of balthazar to unlock some stuff(way too hard to find).

Any ideas?

aapo · Feb 24, 2008, 03:07 PM // 15:07

I feel you man. Unless you consider having huge stacks of gold or titles an achievement in it's own right, the game doesn't have much to offer as far as gameplay goes. Try HA or GvG, it's quite fun if you manage to get a good guild for it.

Fangclaw · Feb 24, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Totally agree...

If you dont like gold or Titles, just go into the PvP side of the game...

Solas · Feb 24, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21

you could try doing the campaigns,
but if that or titles dont suit yeah i'd say try pvp again

Dylananimus · Feb 24, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21

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Originally Posted by Goblinmatt

Well I decided to try and get back into guild wars again. I was mainly a big pvper, I dont think I ever finished a whole campaign.

I was hoping to maybe try a farming build but it got me thinking. Why farm? All the expensive armor and weapons seem kind of pointless to me, same with mini pets and titles. When I made 100k on the new year just from buying and selling fireworks I could not think of anything to actually spend my money on. I've resorted to buying flames of balthazar to unlock some stuff(way too hard to find).

Any ideas?

Maybe try to finish a campaing

Goblinmatt · Feb 24, 2008, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Dylananimus

Maybe try to finish a campaing

Why? Questing all seems like a grind to me

Im a former WoW player, and it seems like there was a lot more progression in that game. You would work hard farming or pvping/pveing for better gear. In guild wars, better gear = cooler looking gear.

cthulhu reborn · Feb 24, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

I dunno, to me your question translates to this:

Is there anything to do because I don't like anything you can do?

Answer is no. Each game has things you can do but they are not all the same. If you don't see the point in prestige then this is the wrong game for you. It sounds like you either need to play a game where gear determines your gameplay (WoW and such) or play insta shooting or PvP only games.

So play WoW and overpay or go play an FPS or something I would suggest. Guild Wars is more a game for people who enjoy slightly different things like prestige armour and titles and finishing story lines like traditional RPG style games. If that's not you then I fear there is nothing much for you to do. I have plenty of stuff to do still and have fun doing it so it comes down to personal preference.

aapo · Feb 24, 2008, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

I dunno, to me your question translates to this:

Is there anything to do because I don't like anything you can do?

- What the is to do when all you can do is kill monsters, collect loot, sell loot in PvE? Quest structure is so that you take quest, travel to some spot in explorable area, kill something / talk to someone and go back to collect exp points and gold. And again: what is the point of experience and gold?

I mean to say that the whole game is a closed circuit. Everything comes to single purpose of slaying monsters. Compare this to earlier Final Fantasies for example. Playing Triple Triad -card game in FFVIII is a world on it's own. Collecting Guardian Forces and draining magic has consequences in how well you fight, but this consequence is not the reason to collect them. There's NPCs with interesting dialogue and stories to tell. Characters with personality. Collectible items like magazines scattered across the world, but you can read them. Guild Wars' trophies you either give to collector to get a weapon or sell for 30 gold to get a weapon. That's it. Compared to what kind of wonderful innovations other non-MMO-RPGs have, this game looks to be made by amateur designers and coders who just happened to have decent graphical engine and understanding community to give them tips how to design good games.

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

If you don't see the point in prestige then this is the wrong game for you. It sounds like you either need to play a game where gear determines your gameplay (WoW and such) or play insta shooting or PvP only games.

- Two things:
1) What is prestige if it's not prestigious? Every single Dervish is running around with Primeval armor dyed black. Everyone has some max title under their names.
2) Why are you making strawman of WoW's gear-dependance as if this shit is lesser of the two evils?

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Originally Posted by cthulhu reborn

So play WoW and overpay or go play an FPS or something I would suggest. Guild Wars is more a game for people who enjoy slightly different things like prestige armour and titles and finishing story lines like traditional RPG style games. If that's not you then I fear there is nothing much for you to do. I have plenty of stuff to do still and have fun doing it so it comes down to personal preference.

- Nice finisher for bad post. "Go amuse yourself with WoW". Would you think that if ANET developers said that to every complaint this game would have any players left? Now if you excuse me I'll go amuse myself staring at brick wall instead of playing this crappy grindfest. (no monthly fee to stare at brick wall either!!!!!!!11!)

BulletStopper · Feb 24, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Personally, I LOVE these posts.

If you don't enjoy playing an aspect of Guild Wars then don't play. Why ask me (who has been playing since it came out, and still enjoy it.) for a way to amuse yourself?

Usually, someone says "go play WoW!" Good advise, if you enjoy that game. I say go do something (and it doesn't have to be a computer game) you do enjoy, if this (Guild Wars) isn't something you enjoy anymore.

The only reason I've come up with for these kinds of posts is you want me, and others, to validate that you aren't having fun.

Antheus · Feb 24, 2008, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by aapo

- Nice finisher for bad post. "Go amuse yourself with WoW". Would you think that if ANET developers said that to every complaint this game would have any players left? Now if you excuse me I'll go amuse myself staring at brick wall instead of playing this crappy grindfest. (no monthly fee to stare at brick wall either!!!!!!!11!)

Which is better?

Trying to add things for people who like the game?
Trying to add things for people who dislike the game and don't want to play in the first place?

Trying to appeal to everyone results in disaster. Doing one thing, and doing it well gives you satisfied customer.

Don't like the game? Find another one. It really is that simple. Some people have just become so spoiled that they expect the world to kneel before their every whim.

So GW doesn't have what OP is looking for. Neither does Microsoft Word. Should microsoft start adding PvP to their office suite, since it might increase their sales? Should Boeing start adding off-road capability to their planes since SUVs are so popular?

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Compared to what kind of wonderful innovations other non-MMO-RPGs have, this game looks to be made by amateur designers and coders who just happened to have decent graphical engine and understanding community to give them tips how to design good games.

Can I play a game you made? It must surely rock, and be the bestest there is. Apparently, Anet should hire you. Or are you playing GW because you can't afford one of "proper" games with subscription fee? People are always very critical of what they get for free, but they won't have a single bad word over something they paid for.

Why are you playing GW anyway, apparently nothing is good enough for you except HA or something.

Doesn't that make GW a "good" game then? You're playing it.

Community, like your view demonstrates, has absolutely no clue at how games are designed, or why certain things matter. Just because you don't like killing mobs over mobs, doesn't mean it's not the main appeal of GW. People love doing that. That's what 80% of GW population loves more than anything.

And then there's a special type of players - whiners. They join a community, and do nothing but whine and moan over everything. They buy GW because it has low level cap, then whine it should have more. They like the balanced gameplay, but whine about all items being the same. They like casual style, but want hard-core grind.

All companies that gave into the 1% of people who whine on forums killed off the game they were running.

Vocal minority is 1% of players. Less than 10% of people post on, or even read forums. So no, this optinion of "how community should design the game" is pure nonsense.

HawkofStorms · Feb 24, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Play for fun.

Try some of the missions and see if you enjoy them. If not, then don't play and stick to PvP.

aapo · Feb 24, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Which is better?

Trying to add things for people who like the game?
Trying to add things for people who dislike the game and don't want to play in the first place?

- Weird division you got there. Successful product has to generate maximum amount of income, which usually means appealing to maximum amount of people. Constrains are set by things like lack of funding or competition on the market. Only validation you're going to get for releasing crap is if there's no real competition in the market (which in this case is free-to-play MMOs for people who like MMOs). Besides who says wants of people who like and people who don't like the game are necessarily contradictory?

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Trying to appeal to everyone results in disaster. Doing one thing, and doing it well gives you satisfied customer.

- I agree.

Rest of your post isn't even worth answering. Are you sure you're not the whiner incapable of having a conversation?

[Rhiannon] · Feb 24, 2008, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by BulletStopper

The only reason I've come up with for these kinds of posts is you want me, and others, to validate that you aren't having fun.

I think that pretty much hits the nail on the head.

I think you can also split that down further though. You have people who see others enjoying the game, and genuinely wish they could find the same enthusiasm. You then have your typical 'haters' who want everyone else to be negative, as they are themselves.

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Originally Posted by Antheus

So GW doesn't have what OP is looking for. Neither does Microsoft Word. Should microsoft start adding PvP to their office suite, since it might increase their sales?

I'd vote yes. Simply as it'd make typing out your CV a whole lot more fun!

Antheus · Feb 24, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by aapo

- I agree.

Rest of your post isn't even worth answering. Are you sure you're not the whiner incapable of having a conversation?

Yes, different opinions are annoying. If only people would stop disagreeing with you. Why can't people be more like your own circle of friends that agrees with you in everything. If only you could make big stupid people like me go away.

Do you also hit yourself with a hammer and then complain that it hurts, and that it shouldn't hurt, since not getting hit with a hammer doesn't?

Why do you keep on hitting yourself with a hammer (aka, play GW)?

You hate GW, you hate MMORPGs, yet apparently continue to play. Why, in name of sanity and common sense?

It isn't healthy to engage into self-destructive behavior.

Sir Seifus Halbred · Feb 24, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

If your a PvP player you don't really need to worry about making gold, so i don't understand why you went and made 100k from the new year. I really don't fully understand your post actually. If your a PvPer and like PvP stick with it, there is a lot to do in PvP and there are PvP titles.

Steph Woodland · Feb 24, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by Antheus

Do you also hit yourself with a hammer and then complain that it hurts, and that it shouldn't hurt, since not getting hit with a hammer doesn't?

actually yes i wish it didn't hurt

and yes i complain hehe

i actually LOVE this game wait what's it called again, oh yea GW hehehe sorry i'm just cracking myself up here (plz don't quote this and make fun of me) lol

but then again i just started playing

and also this thread is looking a little pathetic for Mr. Grumpy

Kamatsu · Feb 24, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

Use search next time, there are already threads covering this topic.

Thread closed.

Feb 24, 2008, 03:01 PM // 15:01	#1
Goblinmatt Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2006	Is there anything to work towards? Well I decided to try and get back into guild wars again. I was mainly a big pvper, I dont think I ever finished a whole campaign. I was hoping to maybe try a farming build but it got me thinking. Why farm? All the expensive armor and weapons seem kind of pointless to me, same with mini pets and titles. When I made 100k on the new year just from buying and selling fireworks I could not think of anything to actually spend my money on. I've resorted to buying flames of balthazar to unlock some stuff(way too hard to find). Any ideas?

Feb 24, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07	#17
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Feb 24, 2008, 03:07 PM // 15:07	#2
aapo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2006	I feel you man. Unless you consider having huge stacks of gold or titles an achievement in it's own right, the game doesn't have much to offer as far as gameplay goes. Try HA or GvG, it's quite fun if you manage to get a good guild for it.

Feb 24, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17	#3
Fangclaw Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maguuma Jungle / Tarnished Coast Profession: R/	Totally agree... If you dont like gold or Titles, just go into the PvP side of the game...

Feb 24, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21	#4
Solas Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ireland Guild: Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2 Profession: E/	you could try doing the campaigns, but if that or titles dont suit yeah i'd say try pvp again

Feb 24, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40	#7
cthulhu reborn Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: the Netherlands Profession: W/Mo	I dunno, to me your question translates to this: Is there anything to do because I don't like anything you can do? Answer is no. Each game has things you can do but they are not all the same. If you don't see the point in prestige then this is the wrong game for you. It sounds like you either need to play a game where gear determines your gameplay (WoW and such) or play insta shooting or PvP only games. So play WoW and overpay or go play an FPS or something I would suggest. Guild Wars is more a game for people who enjoy slightly different things like prestige armour and titles and finishing story lines like traditional RPG style games. If that's not you then I fear there is nothing much for you to do. I have plenty of stuff to do still and have fun doing it so it comes down to personal preference.

Feb 24, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30	#9
BulletStopper Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Staring At my computer Guild: Knights an Heroes Profession: Mo/	Personally, I LOVE these posts. If you don't enjoy playing an aspect of Guild Wars then don't play. Why ask me (who has been playing since it came out, and still enjoy it.) for a way to amuse yourself? Usually, someone says "go play WoW!" Good advise, if you enjoy that game. I say go do something (and it doesn't have to be a computer game) you do enjoy, if this (Guild Wars) isn't something you enjoy anymore. The only reason I've come up with for these kinds of posts is you want me, and others, to validate that you aren't having fun.

Feb 24, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51	#11
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Play for fun. Try some of the missions and see if you enjoy them. If not, then don't play and stick to PvP.

Feb 24, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02	#15
Sir Seifus Halbred Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2006	If your a PvP player you don't really need to worry about making gold, so i don't understand why you went and made 100k from the new year. I really don't fully understand your post actually. If your a PvPer and like PvP stick with it, there is a lot to do in PvP and there are PvP titles.