Heroes and FoW - Guild Wars Forums

Absolute Destiny · Feb 25, 2008, 02:30 AM // 02:30

I finally decided to try out my W/Mo in the Fissure of Woe, taking only my team of three heroes with me, after taking perhaps WAAY too much time putting together a set of skill builds that were as complementary as I could make them.

Entered the Fissure, aggroed a fairly small mob (four at the most)...

Within minutes my whole team was dead, and I hadn't killed ONE monster.

Profession-based problems aside, what happened?

I've been able to fight through Perdition Rock or much of the Desolation with this character with relative ease...so what's the deal?

Is there some sort of Spectral Agony-ish skill used by mobs in the Fissure that I'm not aware of?

Smile Like Umean It · Feb 25, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36

The only real problem I see in FoW is aggro. And that can be a huge problem at the start.

Also, aggro to the eternals that shouldn't die (again).

Next time go with a full team or at least one other person that knows how things go.

And no, there aren't any skills like Spectral Agony there.

Snograt · Feb 25, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

The initial enemies in FoW are nothing special; just a minimum of level 24. The entire area is an exercise in aggro control.

jonnieboi05 · Feb 25, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

also... why only you and 3 heroes? i'm pretty sure your heroes weren't set to be able to take them on with just a 4-man party. doing so requires a little bit of skill and the right skill bars.

Smile Like Umean It · Feb 25, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53

I'd assume because they couldn't take hench.

Numa Pompilius · Feb 25, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

To the OP: Everyone wipes the first visit to the UW/FoW. That's normal.
The thing is that the enemies down there do a very large amount of raw damage, so you need to bring damage mitigation (Protective Spirit etc). Some interrupting and anti-melee skills (Blind etc) will also come in handy.

Gift3d · Feb 25, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47

FoW is going to be hard with just any 4 man team. You might be able to get through a few groups at the beginning, but after that it'll surely be slaughter.

Me and my friend take a full party of heroes into FoW all the time and clear in around 2:20 (plus 10-15 shards between the two of us each run), maybe get a guildie and a friend to see if they want to tag along and with the right build you can get through it really easily.

RPGmaniac · Feb 25, 2008, 05:35 AM // 05:35

At least you didn't enter solo the first time like I did

As others have said, FoW is the kind of place that requires a full group. Since you can't take henches in there, you're only choice is to find real people. If you're a PuGaphobe like some of us (or most of us), find some guildies or alliance members to go with you. They'll be able to tip you off as to how things work down there as well.

RavagerOfDreams · Feb 25, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43

what builds were your heroes running? that might give us a better idea on how to help you

Div · Feb 25, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38

For a start, taking 4 characters into an 8-man zone is not a good idea.

bathazard · Feb 25, 2008, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

For a start, taking 4 characters into an 8-man zone is not a good idea.

and yet we farm underworld solo??? lol

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kerpall · Feb 25, 2008, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

For a start, taking 4 characters into an 8-man zone is not a good idea.

and taking my 1 character is a better idea? (Solo builds ftw).

Anyways, It is not the amount of characters you have, it is the skills you equip them with.
You can do 1 man runs, 2 man runs, 1 man + couple heroes runs, all depending on your build.

use: http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/?title=Main_Page

Kamatsu · Feb 25, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38

bathazard & kerpall - I'd assume that holy meant going in for the 1st time with a group of 4.. into an area you've never been and don't know what to expect is likely to be a silly thing

Yes, it is solo'able... but those who solo it know exactly what to expect, know exactly what build they need and what they need to do from when they enter the area.

kerpall · Feb 25, 2008, 08:03 AM // 08:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamatsu

bathazard & kerpall - I'd assume that holy meant going in for the 1st time with a group of 4.. into an area you've never been and don't know what to expect is likely to be a silly thing

Yes, it is solo'able... but those who solo it know exactly what to expect, know exactly what build they need and what they need to do from when they enter the area.

true, but unless you can read minds, its never safe to assume ones thoughts

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Edit: although i think OP may not have gone in with 8man, because it may have conflicted with his 4man build?

MagmaRed · Feb 25, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

I'd guess a combo of melee damage and Spiteful Spirit killed you if you went to the left. If you went to the right, Firestorm and Shatter Enchant probably got you.

FoW is a place that you need specific builds to succeed. Taking an enchantment heavy Monk is typically a bad idea, outside of a Bonder.

4 man is possible, but 3 heroes will require some good micro-management skills on your part, in addition to good builds for each. You also need to know what to aggro, how to aggro it, where to aggro it, and when to aggro it.

I fear seeing your build, as I am expecting a typical wammo build. Healing Breeze, Vigourous Spirit, Healing Hands, etc. are all bad choices. Most areas they mean you do less damage than you should. In FoW, they mean you die faster.

Antheus · Feb 25, 2008, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

FoW is a place that you need specific builds to succeed. Taking an enchantment heavy Monk is typically a bad idea, outside of a Bonder.

No, that's not true. Bonder is the worst possible option, unless you're with really inexperienced players. And even then...

BTW: the typical builds we used to clear FoW included at least one para, 2 or 3 necros, 1 monk (or sometimes another, depending on paragons), and a selection of other classes, mesmers were frequent, ele, anything really.

No warriors, no bonders, not quad nukers, almost the exact opposite of "specific build".

2,3,4 -man however is a completely different story.

Feb 25, 2008, 02:30 AM // 02:30	#1
Absolute Destiny Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oklahoma City Guild: Forgotten Realms [FR] Profession: W/	Heroes and FoW I finally decided to try out my W/Mo in the Fissure of Woe, taking only my team of three heroes with me, after taking perhaps WAAY too much time putting together a set of skill builds that were as complementary as I could make them. Entered the Fissure, aggroed a fairly small mob (four at the most)... Within minutes my whole team was dead, and I hadn't killed ONE monster. Profession-based problems aside, what happened? I've been able to fight through Perdition Rock or much of the Desolation with this character with relative ease...so what's the deal? Is there some sort of Spectral Agony-ish skill used by mobs in the Fissure that I'm not aware of?

Feb 25, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41	#3
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	The initial enemies in FoW are nothing special; just a minimum of level 24. The entire area is an exercise in aggro control. __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

Feb 25, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38	#13
Kamatsu Moderator Join Date: May 2005 Location: Australia	bathazard & kerpall - I'd assume that holy meant going in for the 1st time with a group of 4.. into an area you've never been and don't know what to expect is likely to be a silly thing Yes, it is solo'able... but those who solo it know exactly what to expect, know exactly what build they need and what they need to do from when they enter the area. __________________ Have a moderation related issue or just want to chat? Send me a PM

Feb 25, 2008, 02:36 AM // 02:36	#2
Smile Like Umean It Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: E/Rt	The only real problem I see in FoW is aggro. And that can be a huge problem at the start. Also, aggro to the eternals that shouldn't die (again). Next time go with a full team or at least one other person that knows how things go. And no, there aren't any skills like Spectral Agony there.

Feb 25, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51	#4
jonnieboi05 Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mableton, Georgia Guild: Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]	also... why only you and 3 heroes? i'm pretty sure your heroes weren't set to be able to take them on with just a 4-man party. doing so requires a little bit of skill and the right skill bars.

Feb 25, 2008, 02:53 AM // 02:53	#5
Smile Like Umean It Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: E/Rt	I'd assume because they couldn't take hench.

Feb 25, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58	#6
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	To the OP: Everyone wipes the first visit to the UW/FoW. That's normal. The thing is that the enemies down there do a very large amount of raw damage, so you need to bring damage mitigation (Protective Spirit etc). Some interrupting and anti-melee skills (Blind etc) will also come in handy.

Feb 25, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47	#7
Gift3d Forge Runner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Guild: Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR] Profession: W/E	FoW is going to be hard with just any 4 man team. You might be able to get through a few groups at the beginning, but after that it'll surely be slaughter. Me and my friend take a full party of heroes into FoW all the time and clear in around 2:20 (plus 10-15 shards between the two of us each run), maybe get a guildie and a friend to see if they want to tag along and with the right build you can get through it really easily.

Feb 25, 2008, 05:35 AM // 05:35	#8
RPGmaniac Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005	At least you didn't enter solo the first time like I did As others have said, FoW is the kind of place that requires a full group. Since you can't take henches in there, you're only choice is to find real people. If you're a PuGaphobe like some of us (or most of us), find some guildies or alliance members to go with you. They'll be able to tip you off as to how things work down there as well.

Feb 25, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43	#9
RavagerOfDreams Desert Nomad Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: somewhere over the rainbow.... Profession: A/	what builds were your heroes running? that might give us a better idea on how to help you

Feb 25, 2008, 06:38 AM // 06:38	#10
Div I like yumy food! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Where I can eat yumy food Guild: Dead Alley [dR] Profession: Mo/R	For a start, taking 4 characters into an 8-man zone is not a good idea.

Feb 25, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43	#15
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	I'd guess a combo of melee damage and Spiteful Spirit killed you if you went to the left. If you went to the right, Firestorm and Shatter Enchant probably got you. FoW is a place that you need specific builds to succeed. Taking an enchantment heavy Monk is typically a bad idea, outside of a Bonder. 4 man is possible, but 3 heroes will require some good micro-management skills on your part, in addition to good builds for each. You also need to know what to aggro, how to aggro it, where to aggro it, and when to aggro it. I fear seeing your build, as I am expecting a typical wammo build. Healing Breeze, Vigourous Spirit, Healing Hands, etc. are all bad choices. Most areas they mean you do less damage than you should. In FoW, they mean you die faster.