Healing Skills vs Attack Skills - Guild Wars Forums

Sparks Dawnbringer · Mar 01, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35

I play a monk quite a bit and was wondering why monks are punished for trying to heal party members. If I'm using an attack skill and the foe dies before my skill can go off, I get the skill back and don't loose the energy. But if I am trying to heal a party member in trouble and he dies befroe my skills go off I loose the skill and the energy. The skill actually goes off on the dead person like he needs it now. So the question is why the double standard. Whats up? What does everyone else think?

Trylo · Mar 01, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

this doesnt happen to me <_<

if you start an adr. attack dont you lose the adrenaline for that skill?

and you definitely dont get the energy back after you try to attack...

Winterclaw · Mar 01, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I don't remember getting energy back if an el spell goes off while the enemy dies... But then again, I don't run into many e-management problems in PvE on my el.

upier · Mar 01, 2008, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparks Dawnbringer

If I'm using an attack skill and the foe dies before my skill can go off, I get the skill back and don't loose the energy.

You do lose the energy.
You pay first - then you get to use the skill.
So it's the same concept for both the monky and the other suckers.

Steboy93 · Mar 01, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Heal faster next time?

- Tain - · Mar 01, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56

If the attack skill has started, you do lose the energy/adren. No problem here.

xiaotsu · Mar 01, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

If you're using a long cast time spell, you shouldn't be

If you cast it RIGHT after he dies, as in you target him, cast, he dies before it casts, it targets you.

You never get the energy back when you hit the spell, even if it doesn't go off.

Thorondor Port · Mar 01, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56

lmao everyone gave smartass comments.

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if you start an adr. attack dont you lose the adrenaline for that skill?

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ivan.alicard · Mar 01, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03

well key word being monk...best class for keeping an entire party up and running.... its not punished to healing party member its made to heal party member :/ you can go smite if you want but just make sure the other party member knows *that is if they haven't kicked you already*

Tyla · Mar 01, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07

Sure your reflexes aren't just beyond bad?

Or are you using only healing prayers - and no prot prayers at all throughout the entire team?

Crom The Pale · Mar 01, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Lag is also a small factor here, you start to cast/attack and your foe is already dead but youve not been updated till the split second after you hit the skill.

Tyla · Mar 01, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Lag is also a small factor here, you start to cast/attack and your foe is already dead but youve not been updated till the split second after you hit the skill.

Not really.
I have huge lag from time to time, and im usually at 500 ping, with 10FPS and it runs quite smoothly for me...:s

Biostem · Mar 01, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

To the OP: if you have GWEN, try taking patient spirit. It's a healing spell w/ a 2 second delay before it goes off. Cast it on a teammate as you're starting to engage the enemy, while their health is in the safe zone, and it'll trigger a few seconds later. It's a way of being a little more proactive...

jonnieboi05 · Mar 02, 2008, 12:30 AM // 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by xiaotsu

If you're using a long cast time spell, you shouldn't be

If you cast it RIGHT after he dies, as in you target him, cast, he dies before it casts, it targets you.

You never get the energy back when you hit the spell, even if it doesn't go off.

this is actually wrong. i play monk all the time for PvP and if you cast the spell while target other ally is alive and s/he dies, the skill goes to ~3/4 activation and then automatically interupts it's self because there is no longer a target.

what YOU'RE talking about is if you are trying to heal target other ally (and if you're reflexes are too slow), and they die before you actually clicked the skill, then the AI will automatically reselect YOU, thus, healing yourself.

Mar 01, 2008, 09:35 PM // 21:35	#1
Sparks Dawnbringer Krytan Explorer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Los Angeles Guild: none Profession: E/Mo	Healing Skills vs Attack Skills I play a monk quite a bit and was wondering why monks are punished for trying to heal party members. If I'm using an attack skill and the foe dies before my skill can go off, I get the skill back and don't loose the energy. But if I am trying to heal a party member in trouble and he dies befroe my skills go off I loose the skill and the energy. The skill actually goes off on the dead person like he needs it now. So the question is why the double standard. Whats up? What does everyone else think?

Mar 01, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38	#2
Trylo Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: [Here] \| CKOD Profession: E/R	this doesnt happen to me <_< if you start an adr. attack dont you lose the adrenaline for that skill? and you definitely dont get the energy back after you try to attack...

Mar 01, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46	#3
Winterclaw Wark!!! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Profession: W/	I don't remember getting energy back if an el spell goes off while the enemy dies... But then again, I don't run into many e-management problems in PvE on my el.

Mar 01, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51	#5
Steboy93 Furnace Stoker Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: Trinity of the Ascended [ToA] \| Ex-Officer [TAM] Profession: W/	Heal faster next time?

Mar 01, 2008, 09:56 PM // 21:56	#6
- Tain - Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2006 Guild: [SMS] Profession: R/	If the attack skill has started, you do lose the energy/adren. No problem here.

Mar 01, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59	#7
xiaotsu Desert Nomad Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Doomlore Shrine Guild: Just Us Gamers [JUGs] Profession: R/	If you're using a long cast time spell, you shouldn't be If you cast it RIGHT after he dies, as in you target him, cast, he dies before it casts, it targets you. You never get the energy back when you hit the spell, even if it doesn't go off.

Mar 01, 2008, 10:56 PM // 22:56	#8
Thorondor Port Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: British Columbia Profession: W/	lmao everyone gave smartass comments. " if you start an adr. attack dont you lose the adrenaline for that skill? "

Mar 01, 2008, 11:03 PM // 23:03	#9
ivan.alicard Academy Page Join Date: Jun 2007 Guild: Electric warfair Profession: E/Me	well key word being monk...best class for keeping an entire party up and running.... its not punished to healing party member its made to heal party member :/ you can go smite if you want but just make sure the other party member knows that is if they haven't kicked you already

Mar 01, 2008, 11:07 PM // 23:07	#10
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	Sure your reflexes aren't just beyond bad? Or are you using only healing prayers - and no prot prayers at all throughout the entire team?

Mar 01, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#11
Crom The Pale Furnace Stoker Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Ageis Ascending Profession: W/	Lag is also a small factor here, you start to cast/attack and your foe is already dead but youve not been updated till the split second after you hit the skill.

Mar 01, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27	#13
Biostem Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2007	To the OP: if you have GWEN, try taking patient spirit. It's a healing spell w/ a 2 second delay before it goes off. Cast it on a teammate as you're starting to engage the enemy, while their health is in the safe zone, and it'll trigger a few seconds later. It's a way of being a little more proactive...