Curse

Trub · Mar 11, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

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Now rangers,Sins,Rits...(all the classes not in the must have teams for the elite areas)can now clear out DoA,Uw,FoW.
It is a little over powered yes,but it opens the elite areas not just to wars and eles.
I cant be the only one that thinks thats 1 good thing about ursan.

Don't feel badly...your not the only bear that confuses the actual USE of a classes skill, to the 'name' of a class.
I don't see how one can be a certain profession, if your not using your class skills.
It isn't a mesmer, or a ranger in bear form...it's a lazy, impaient r8-10 pve titled UB kid....farming the fast cash.
NOT a 'casual' group lookiing at the sights in an ELITE area.
But, thats just my opinion on it, now isn't it?

Tyla · Mar 11, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

I just find it very strange how it's usually Ursan users calling others "wiki noobs" when they're running ursan...

@the op:
PuG's are baed.
Paragon running Ursan over TNTF/SY compared to Ursan is just bad.

The Toe Tag · Mar 11, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

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Originally Posted by Trub

Don't feel badly...your not the only bear that confuses the actual USE of a classes skill, to the 'name' of a class.
I don't see how one can be a certain profession, if your not using your class skills.
It isn't a mesmer, or a ranger in bear form...it's a lazy, impaient r8-10 pve titled UB kid....farming the fast cash.
NOT a 'casual' group lookiing at the sights in an ELITE area.
But, thats just my opinion on it, now isn't it?

Well if i got to be a bear to find a $#%@ team for my ranger in DoA then call me fluffy *rawr*
Otherwise if im not a monk,war, ele or necro ill have fun wasteing 3 hours trying to find a team to complane theres a ranger in here.

Trub · Mar 11, 2008, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Well if i got to be a bear to find a $#%@ team for my ranger in DoA then call me fluffy *rawr*

Nah.......I'll call you Yogi Bear...always on the prowl for that easy grab of the picnic basket.
"Hey BooBoo! Let's sneak down to the ranger's cabin for a pikkinik basket wooohoo!"

Trub · Mar 11, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Look what I gots in DoA!!!!

Sorry..had to share..(double post..ftw)

Dark Kal · Mar 12, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by The Toe Tag

Most ppl think Ursan split GW in two, Ursan lovers and haters,but as i see it ursan killed the even lamer cookie cutter teams.Now rangers,Sins,Rits...(all the classes not in the must have teams for the elite areas)can now clear out DoA,Uw,FoW.
It is a little over powered yes,but it opens the elite areas not just to wars and eles.
I cant be the only one that thinks thats 1 good thing about ursan.

I completely agree.

Most people who don't like Ursan are elitists IMHO since it's a skill you can simply choose to ignore if you don't like it and the people who use it don't really influence you. I also find it ironic that people hate Ursan but have no problem whatsoever what all the rest of the cookie cutter builds they use which make the game really easy.

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

Call me a lazy monk... but it works.

I think that's the great appeal of Ursanway it get's the job done, most PUGs suck plain and simple this skill atleast makes them suck a little less although people even fail with Ursanway so...

All praise Ursan Blessing

zling · Mar 12, 2008, 01:56 PM // 13:56

TNTF+SY is god mode enough isnt it?
FA+Spear of Fury+AR=constant spamming of god mode
the rest is pretty optional, a bit more damage, more utility, etc...

if people want to play the "easyway" they should just go paraway, that mix of paragorns and warriors with constant shout spamming and pretty good damage while constantly in god mode...

yeah well, it's only for warriors and paragorns, not even monks...
but than again if you have a different profession your "easyway" will be ursanway...

Isileth · Mar 12, 2008, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Most people who don't like Ursan are elitists IMHO since it's a skill you can simply choose to ignore if you don't like it and the people who use it don't really influence you. I also find it ironic that people hate Ursan but have no problem whatsoever what all the rest of the cookie cutter builds they use which make the game really easy.

I highly disagree.

1) There are a whole host of arguments against Ursan besides letting people access elite content.

I most certainly dont care if everyone has some rare skin or anything like that.

My problem comes from issues with the dumbing down of the game, the removal of any skill required, the removal of any requirement to think about the build you will take etc.

2) "If you dont like it dont use it"

Would you be alright with a skill that instantly killed your target?

You wouldnt have to use it, and it wouldnt effect you right?

What people do in an online game does effect others, just because someone doesnt use a certain skill doesnt mean it no longer effects them.
Be it at player or gameplay level it does have an effect.

As for previous cookie cutter builds none ever had this much power, they were easy to run but weaker than a good build. So it was a good balance of skill and power.

Those capable of playing better could run different builds that could perform better. Those wanting an easier gameplay experience could take a build that was easy to run but didnt pack the same punch.

Ursan killed that. Now there is a build that you literally spam the skills on recharge yet yields more power than pretty much every other build out there.

As for it letting other proffesions play in elite areas, thats a load of crap.
And I say this as someone who owns a mesmer, sin and rit.

It does not let any of these get into teams easier. It simply created a new proffesion.

If I wanted to play as a frontline char I would go and play on my warrior or dervish, when I play my mesmer suprisingly I wish to play as a mesmer.

Its quite obvious that running as Ursan has nothing at all to do with what proffesion you are actually playing.

The Way Out · Mar 12, 2008, 02:34 PM // 14:34

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Originally Posted by Isileth

I highly disagree.

1) There are a whole host of arguments against Ursan besides letting people access elite content.

I most certainly dont care if everyone has some rare skin or anything like that.

My problem comes from issues with the dumbing down of the game, the removal of any skill required, the removal of any requirement to think about the build you will take etc.

2) "If you dont like it dont use it"

Would you be alright with a skill that instantly killed your target?

You wouldnt have to use it, and it wouldnt effect you right?

What people do in an online game does effect others, just because someone doesnt use a certain skill doesnt mean it no longer effects them.
Be it at player or gameplay level it does have an effect.

As for previous cookie cutter builds none ever had this much power, they were easy to run but weaker than a good build. So it was a good balance of skill and power.

Those capable of playing better could run different builds that could perform better. Those wanting an easier gameplay experience could take a build that was easy to run but didnt pack the same punch.

Ursan killed that. Now there is a build that you literally spam the skills on recharge yet yields more power than pretty much every other build out there.

As for it letting other proffesions play in elite areas, thats a load of crap.
And I say this as someone who owns a mesmer, sin and rit.

It does not let any of these get into teams easier. It simply created a new proffesion.

If I wanted to play as a frontline char I would go and play on my warrior or dervish, when I play my mesmer suprisingly I wish to play as a mesmer.

Its quite obvious that running as Ursan has nothing at all to do with what proffesion you are actually playing.

The funnies part of people that speak negatively about UB is this...

It is a balanced skill. The only imbalance is that you retain your previous classes armor rating. Other than that, UB is a balanced skill (absurdly overpowered) but balanced.

Sins sucked in PvE before UB. Mesmers were restricted to interrupts (mainly because of people being closeminded). However, UB allowed the players that wanted to get through the game the same opportunity to do so as the warrior , monk, or nuker. I am glad they instituted it, because it was the first skill to challenge the trinity or tank, caster, and healer. We eliminated casters and a ton of them are pissed.

Also, I don't like the current UB teams out there. I think bringing six Ursans and two HB monks is boring, slow, and grinding.

Spice it up and throw a paragon, necro, or ele in there. You would be amazed with the combinations you can come up with.

Jenn · Mar 12, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

I don't want you to listen to all these haters on Ursan. While I don't like the skill a whole lot, I will vehemently defend its use. People should be free to PvE however they like. Ursan will not make a bad player suck any less, it just enables them to play faster with the rest of the GW population (who also mostly suck

). I think Ursan definitely has its pros and cons. One of the biggest cons being it's the new "wikiway" to do things. Nonetheless, requiring Ursan-way to do something like DoA was no different than the situation a year ago where people required SF nukers to do DoA. Ursanway is just a different type of cookiecutter that the vast majority of Guild Wars players use. No matter how "old school" some of these people feel that don't use Ursan, I'm willing to bet almost all of you at some point have succumbed to pre-Ursan cookiecutterness.

Ursan has its time and place. Sometimes I will play as an Ursan because it might be my 6th or 7th time vanquishing an area, or the 15th time I've revisited a dungeon, and I just want to blow shit up mindlessly to get it over with as soon as possible. I also use it sometimes when I solo in PvE so I can just run around with a constant speed boost

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The ursan blessing is just that, and sometimes a curse. I encourage you to try it out, but I also encourage you to hold onto some of the old ways of playing that better capture the essence of tactics in PvE.

Isileth · Mar 12, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

The funnies part of people that speak negatively about UB is this...

It is a balanced skill. The only imbalance is that you retain your previous classes armor rating. Other than that, UB is a balanced skill (absurdly overpowered) but balanced.

Balance doesnt just mean balanced between the proffesions.
Balance applies when compared to other skills and to the "challenge" of the game itself.

When something is overpowered its simply another way of saying its unbalanced when compared to other skills. Its more powerful than them. Its overpowered.

Dark Kal · Mar 12, 2008, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Isileth

My problem comes from issues with the dumbing down of the game, the removal of any skill required, the removal of any requirement to think about the build you will take etc.

Why do you care? You can play whatever way you want.

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Would you be alright with a skill that instantly killed your target?

I'd be alright with it that would actually be a pretty funny skill, whenever I got tired of it I'd just stop using it. That's the difference between a normal player who just sees the game for what it is, a game and an elitist I suppose who wants everyone to follow his rules and wants to believe he's better than others.

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What people do in an online game does effect others, just because someone doesnt use a certain skill doesnt mean it no longer effects them.
Be it at player or gameplay level it does have an effect.

How exactly does it effect me?

Isileth · Mar 12, 2008, 02:47 PM // 14:47

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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

I don't want you to listen to all these haters on Ursan. While I don't like the skill a whole lot, I will vehemently defend its use. People should be free to PvE however they like.

So you feel PvE doesnt need to be balanced at all?

You would be ok with unlimited minions, warriors hitting for 200 dmg, instant kill skills etc. Because people should be able to play how they like right?

This isnt a single player game. What happens in the game effects more than just one person.

Players shouldnt have to balance the game for themselves.

Jenn · Mar 12, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by Isileth

So you feel PvE doesnt need to be balanced at all?

You would be ok with unlimited minions, warriors hitting for 200 dmg, instant kill skills etc. Because people should be able to play how they like right?

This isnt a single player game. What happens in the game effects more than just one person.

Players shouldnt have to balance the game for themselves.

Congratulations on your ability to overexaggerate!

I'm going to say "no" to your [second] question and leave it at that, because I think your post doesn't warrant a lengthy reply. Of all the things I said in my most, I had hoped people would pick up on the essence of it - there is both good and bad to the skill. If it exists, why not let people use it?

Isileth · Mar 12, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

Why do you care? You can play whatever way you want.

Because as I have already said, what others do in an online game effects others.

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

I'd be alright with it that would actually be a pretty funny skill, whenever I got tired of it I'd just stop using it. That's the difference between a normal player who just sees the game for what it is, a game and an elitist I suppose who wants everyone to follow his rules and wants to believe he's better than others.

There isnt just those 2 people here.

Im not an elitist, but I most certainly dont think multiplayer games are open for people to play how they like.

Its not about thinking im better or wanting to be stop others doing stuff. Its about me wanting the game to be improved. To me Ursan made the game worse, so here I am discussing removing it because its what I think would be good for the game, just as I assume you think its good for the game.

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Originally Posted by Dark Kal

How exactly does it effect me?

As I said it works at both gameplay and player level.

Be it the game being balanced around such skills.
Be it the trashing of the requirement of multiple builds and planning ahead.
Be it there only being 1 top build and as such that majority of people running it. (While there will always be builds that are popular before there has always been several at once rather than a single build)

And as for it being elitist to ask for it to be removed, removing it would get rid of the elitism around Ursan. Such as teams requiring a set rank and playering without EOTN struggling to get into teams compared to someone with Ursan.

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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

Congratulations on your ability to overexaggerate!
I'm going to say "no" to your [second] question and leave it at that, because I think your post doesn't warrant a lengthy reply. Of all the things I said in my most, I had hoped people would pick up on the essence of it - there is both good and bad to the skill. If it exists, why not let people use it?

But it isnt.

Before there was unlimited minions.

And as for the others its really aimed at comments like your last "If it exists, why not let people use it?"

It was at that thinking I said them. If they existed would you be fine with it?

Do you think all nerfs relating to PvE should be changed back because PvE should be played however someone likes even if it does ruin the balance and any skill required to play?

Nightmares Hammer · Mar 12, 2008, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Originally Posted by Isileth

Because as I have already said, what others do in an online game effects others.

There isnt just those 2 people here.

Im not an elitist, but I most certainly dont think multiplayer games are open for people to play how they like.

Its not about thinking im better or wanting to be stop others doing stuff. Its about me wanting the game to be improved. To me Ursan made the game worse, so here I am discussing removing it because its what I think would be good for the game, just as I assume you think its good for the game.

As I said it works at both gameplay and player level.

Be it the game being balanced around such skills.
Be it the trashing of the requirement of multiple builds and planning ahead.
Be it there only being 1 top build and as such that majority of people running it. (While there will always be builds that are popular before there has always been several at once rather than a single build)

And as for it being elitist to ask for it to be removed, removing it would get rid of the elitism around Ursan. Such as teams requiring a set rank and playering without EOTN struggling to get into teams compared to someone with Ursan.

But it isnt.

Before there was unlimited minions.

And as for the others its really aimed at comments like your last "If it exists, why not let people use it?"

It was at that thinking I said them. If they existed would you be fine with it?

Do you think all nerfs relating to PvE should be changed back because PvE should be played however someone likes even if it does ruin the balance and any skill required to play?

QFT

Nothing more to be said.

+1

Commander Ryker · Mar 12, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10

I think we have quite enough of these threads. Search FTW!

~closed~

Mar 11, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56	#22
Tyla Emo Goth Italics Join Date: Sep 2006	I just find it very strange how it's usually Ursan users calling others "wiki noobs" when they're running ursan... @the op: PuG's are baed. Paragon running Ursan over TNTF/SY compared to Ursan is just bad.

Mar 11, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38	#25
Trub Jungle Guide Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sitting in the guildhall, watching the wallows frolic. Guild: Trinity of the ascended [SMS]+[Koss]+[TAM]=[ToA]	Look what I gots in DoA!!!! Sorry..had to share..(double post..ftw)

Mar 12, 2008, 01:56 PM // 13:56	#27
zling Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2006	TNTF+SY is god mode enough isnt it? FA+Spear of Fury+AR=constant spamming of god mode the rest is pretty optional, a bit more damage, more utility, etc... if people want to play the "easyway" they should just go paraway, that mix of paragorns and warriors with constant shout spamming and pretty good damage while constantly in god mode... yeah well, it's only for warriors and paragorns, not even monks... but than again if you have a different profession your "easyway" will be ursanway...

Mar 12, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39	#30
Jenn Resigned. Join Date: Sep 2006	I don't want you to listen to all these haters on Ursan. While I don't like the skill a whole lot, I will vehemently defend its use. People should be free to PvE however they like. Ursan will not make a bad player suck any less, it just enables them to play faster with the rest of the GW population (who also mostly suck ). I think Ursan definitely has its pros and cons. One of the biggest cons being it's the new "wikiway" to do things. Nonetheless, requiring Ursan-way to do something like DoA was no different than the situation a year ago where people required SF nukers to do DoA. Ursanway is just a different type of cookiecutter that the vast majority of Guild Wars players use. No matter how "old school" some of these people feel that don't use Ursan, I'm willing to bet almost all of you at some point have succumbed to pre-Ursan cookiecutterness. Ursan has its time and place. Sometimes I will play as an Ursan because it might be my 6th or 7th time vanquishing an area, or the 15th time I've revisited a dungeon, and I just want to blow shit up mindlessly to get it over with as soon as possible. I also use it sometimes when I solo in PvE so I can just run around with a constant speed boost . The ursan blessing is just that, and sometimes a curse. I encourage you to try it out, but I also encourage you to hold onto some of the old ways of playing that better capture the essence of tactics in PvE.

Mar 12, 2008, 03:10 PM // 15:10	#37
Commander Ryker Site Contributor Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: R/	I think we have quite enough of these threads. Search FTW! ~closed~