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ecaspar · Mar 18, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54

My son got GW for christmas - 1 week back he puchased nightfall but now comes the problem

He says that after installing Nightfall - he cant go back to the old world
true ? or is there a way out...

he wants to get factions - will that help ?

Or is there a way to remove the key from the account and make a new account with only the nightfall key

my son is 10 years so i have to to this part for him hence the forum is is english.

Thanks in advance ..... i really need the help :-(

Kyomi Tachibana · Mar 18, 2008, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Well, there should be a boat on the world map of Nightfall, if he clicks that, and selects "Lions Arch" as his destination, he should be where he wants to go.

Cebe · Mar 18, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

Well, there should be a boat on the world map of Nightfall, if he clicks that, and selects "Lions Arch" as his destination, he should be where he wants to go.

He needs to do a quest to unlock other continents first on each character via a quest first, it's not just as simple as clicking on the boat the first time you want to travel.

Did your son ADD the nightfall key to his existing account? If he made a new account with only Nightfall then he cannot get from one game to the other. If this is what you have done the only thing i can suggest is contact their support system and ask if the keys can be put onto the same account.

If it's just that he needs to complete the quest to travel to the other continent, I would suggest looking here to find out where they are and how to get them.

Rothen Kithkanan · Mar 18, 2008, 08:49 AM // 08:49

Nothing more to add from what celestial has told you. Follow those instructions (relating to the missions required) and you cant really go wrong. If its a case of the nightfall key has not been added to the existing account, the only option is to contact support and ask them to link the keys

Magie · Mar 18, 2008, 09:36 AM // 09:36

To go to Tyria, he has to do the quest 'The Time is Nigh'. After completing it, go to Kamadan, Jewel of Istan and take the quest 'Terror in Tyria' from the NPC Deras Tenderlin. After accepting the quest go talk to Mhenlo who's in Consulate Docks and tell him that you want to travel to Lion's Arch.

Ben-A-BoO · Mar 18, 2008, 09:48 AM // 09:48

The Problem Could be that he created another account instead of merging the key with the account he already activated. Then indeed he can't go back ...

But since you say "he can't go back" i assume he is on an old character in the new campaign ... in that case follow the above examples.

Have fun,
Timebandit

Iuris · Mar 18, 2008, 10:54 AM // 10:54

To recap the possibilities:

First, with the Nightfall access key, one can either add the access key to an existing account, merging both accounts (one set of characters, can play in both areas), OR one can create a separate account which will allow only access to Nightfall (nightfall areas only and separate nightfall characters). If you need to log in with a different login name/password, the second may have happened. If so, contact the official support if they can fix the error.

Second: travel between campaigns is not available to freshly made characters. The character must first do a certain quest that will unlock the travel option. Perhaps your son has created a new character in Nightfall which has to yet reach the point where he is able to?

Third: for characters that can travel between campaigns, map travel between the campaigns is accomplished by using the map, clicking on the boat icon, and then selecting the capital of the area you wish to travel to.

Markaedw · Mar 18, 2008, 11:13 AM // 11:13

When you say "old world" do you mean the autumn landscape of Ascalon, versus the wasteland of Old Ascalon?

The idealic tutorial region is called "pre-searing" or commonly refered to as "pre" and the main story region is called "post searing" of just "post".

The story of Guild Wars:Propcies is that we are at war with a race of Beasts know as Charr. The game starts out in the morning of a new charr offensive. The King ask his town crier to send out word that the land needs new heros to push back the Charr, hence you starting up. By the end of that day, you've developed onto the type of hero the king wants and you join the newly created Vanguard army.

What you don't know, untill it is to late, is that the Charr were given assitance in developing a new super weapon. This weapon fires lightning crystals, causing a cataclysm know as "The Searing".

Accepting the primary quest from Sir Tydus, the player is taken to a 4 man skirmish (which may be skipped if another palyer does not enter at the same time), then a fight with primate race called Grawl and a Charr "boss" highlighted with a green glow named Vatlaaw Doomtooth.

This action progresses the story and triggers the searing event cinematic of the city being bombed by crystals. This also removes the possibilty of going back to the tutorial region. Adding a Nightfall account has nothing to do with his not going back to the tutorial region, (which is why many of us have a character dedicated to staying in that region) it is simply the natural progression of the story.

Without any additional information I suspect that this is what happened. Your son got his secondary profession reward from Armin Saberlin and was told to talk to Sir Tydus standing next to him. That created the irreversable story progression.

For further research you may wish to read:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page

N1ghtstalker · Mar 18, 2008, 11:15 AM // 11:15

if he makes a char in Proph and later one in NF he can't switch yet
but if he unlocks the other continents with his chars then he can go from one campaign to another with his chars
it's really easy tho

makosi · Mar 18, 2008, 11:39 AM // 11:39

If you could answer these questions, it would help out a lot:

1) Can your son name some towns and outposts he has reached in both Prophecies (GW1) and Nightfall?

2) Did he definitely add the Nightfall key to his existing account instead of creating a new account with a new E-mail and password?

3) Which profession(s) does he use, and where are they situated right now?

As others have said, he might be missing the boat on the world map (press M). He can click on this to travel in between continents and it will take him to Lion's Arch or Kamadan Jewel of Istan. These are the two 'main' towns of Prophecies and Nightfall.

Chthon · Mar 18, 2008, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by ecaspar

My son got GW for christmas - 1 week back he puchased nightfall but now comes the problem

He says that after installing Nightfall - he cant go back to the old world
true ? or is there a way out...

Presuming he added the key to his original account, he should be able to move between continents by using the boat icon on the world map. Lion's Arch is the port city in Tyria (Prophecies) and Kamadan is the port city in Elona (Nightfall).

If he instead created a new account, then he has 2 accounts and each only has access to 1 continent.

To determine whether he added the key to his original account or created a new one, check to see if any of his original characters are now in Elona. If so, then he must have added the key, since otherwise they couldn't have changed continents.

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he wants to get factions - will that help ?

While it might improve his gameplay experience, it will not help one bit with the problem at hand.

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Or is there a way to remove the key from the account and make a new account with only the nightfall key

No. Once a key is used, it's used permanently and irrevocably. Moreover, even if you could do so, you wouldn't want to; a single linked account is infinitely better than two (or three) unlinked accounts.

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my son is 10 years so i have to to this part for him hence the forum is is english.

Not that it's any of my business, but 10 is awfully young for GW. It's full of violence, death, betrayal, religious intolerance, and, if you happen have local chat unblocked, profanity, bigotry, and sometimes sexual content from other players. You might want to watch over his shoulder and/or play a bit yourself to see if you're comfortable with him encountering all this right now.

Eldin · Mar 18, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by ecaspar

He says that after installing Nightfall - he cant go back to the old world
true ? or is there a way out...

Did he add the key to his existing Guild Wars account? If so, note that:

To get a character to go to a different "game", it must complete a quest to "unlock" travel there on that character.

Your son, if he has a Nightfall character, it will not be able to go to the other Guild Wars games until a certain quest is beaten.

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Not that it's any of my business, but 10 is awfully young for GW. It's full of violence, death, betrayal, religious intolerance, and, if you happen have local chat unblocked, profanity, bigotry, and sometimes sexual content from other players. You might want to watch over his shoulder and/or play a bit yourself to see if you're comfortable with him encountering all this right now.

I began playing GW when I was 12/13 (am now approaching 15), though yeah, it's a big difference. Unless your son is very mature, I would advise checking in on him from time to time. Of course, some kids are not influenced easily by violence, and you may trust your child very well - as my parents do. Either way, each to his own, but just keep this lingering in your mind.

ecaspar · Mar 18, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

hi and thanks

just tugged him in so i can only give this info

he added the key to his existing account

I think he has 4 players - all different

My suspicion about missing quests is somehow confirmed - so I will try push him that way with some of the ideas you have given me

Thanks

If he (and I ) get stuck i will get back here - this forum is full of helpfull people.... :-)

and I must say I trust him - a lot

for the sexual part it's easier that he's not yet to familar with english so he
asks for adult help (me and mum) to translate certain parts. so we are a part of it.

The violence is not that bad - when you hold it against other games - like Counter strike which i play together with him on public servers.
He is a tough one.. in a good way

dargon · Mar 18, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

One thing, how many character slots (both empty and full) does he have. You say he has 4 players, does he have 2 empty slots where he could make 2 more characters? If not, then he didn't add the key to his existing account correctly.

Hammer Drawn · Mar 18, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

My 10 year old daughter also plays this game. Maybe some parents just need to lighten up a bit about "protecting" their kids from society. Id MUCH rather have all the questions asked now then after its too late cause she was never exposed to anything.

And I agree, the violence is nothing compared to most console games that people let their kids play. Not any blood, missing body parts, etc.

Yeah just my two cents

Glad to know I am not the only parent that plays games online with my kid!

ecaspar · Mar 19, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21

to dargon

he has 6 slots now.... so i'm sure it was added...

I so very much agree with u Hammer...

Both my kids have their own computers and then we have a common one in our livingroom which is the preferred on for both my kids.

Playing here automaticly generates severel quistions so we can give them the answers when the problem occur.. And it works great !

And i finf it amuzing to play with them as well

it's a win-win !

quickmonty · Mar 19, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34

So glad to see parents who participate and monitor their children's play time.

It is surely a win-win.

Mar 18, 2008, 07:54 AM // 07:54	#1
ecaspar Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2008	parent / player help needed My son got GW for christmas - 1 week back he puchased nightfall but now comes the problem He says that after installing Nightfall - he cant go back to the old world true ? or is there a way out... he wants to get factions - will that help ? Or is there a way to remove the key from the account and make a new account with only the nightfall key my son is 10 years so i have to to this part for him hence the forum is is english. Thanks in advance ..... i really need the help :-(

Mar 18, 2008, 08:49 AM // 08:49	#4
Rothen Kithkanan Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Between a rock and a hard place Guild: Pah, who needs guilds? Profession: E/	Nothing more to add from what celestial has told you. Follow those instructions (relating to the missions required) and you cant really go wrong. If its a case of the nightfall key has not been added to the existing account, the only option is to contact support and ask them to link the keys Last edited by Rothen Kithkanan; Mar 18, 2008 at 08:53 AM // 08:53..

Mar 18, 2008, 11:13 AM // 11:13	#8
Markaedw Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Profession: N/	When you say "old world" do you mean the autumn landscape of Ascalon, versus the wasteland of Old Ascalon? The idealic tutorial region is called "pre-searing" or commonly refered to as "pre" and the main story region is called "post searing" of just "post". The story of Guild Wars:Propcies is that we are at war with a race of Beasts know as Charr. The game starts out in the morning of a new charr offensive. The King ask his town crier to send out word that the land needs new heros to push back the Charr, hence you starting up. By the end of that day, you've developed onto the type of hero the king wants and you join the newly created Vanguard army. What you don't know, untill it is to late, is that the Charr were given assitance in developing a new super weapon. This weapon fires lightning crystals, causing a cataclysm know as "The Searing". Accepting the primary quest from Sir Tydus, the player is taken to a 4 man skirmish (which may be skipped if another palyer does not enter at the same time), then a fight with primate race called Grawl and a Charr "boss" highlighted with a green glow named Vatlaaw Doomtooth. This action progresses the story and triggers the searing event cinematic of the city being bombed by crystals. This also removes the possibilty of going back to the tutorial region. Adding a Nightfall account has nothing to do with his not going back to the tutorial region, (which is why many of us have a character dedicated to staying in that region) it is simply the natural progression of the story. Without any additional information I suspect that this is what happened. Your son got his secondary profession reward from Armin Saberlin and was told to talk to Sir Tydus standing next to him. That created the irreversable story progression. For further research you may wish to read: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page Last edited by Markaedw; Mar 18, 2008 at 11:33 AM // 11:33..

Mar 18, 2008, 07:56 AM // 07:56	#2
Kyomi Tachibana Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Oregon, USA Guild: Where iz teh Bonuz [WitB] Profession: P/W	Well, there should be a boat on the world map of Nightfall, if he clicks that, and selects "Lions Arch" as his destination, he should be where he wants to go.

Mar 18, 2008, 09:36 AM // 09:36	#5
Magie Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Malta Guild: Honorable Underground Guards [HUG] Profession: E/	To go to Tyria, he has to do the quest 'The Time is Nigh'. After completing it, go to Kamadan, Jewel of Istan and take the quest 'Terror in Tyria' from the NPC Deras Tenderlin. After accepting the quest go talk to Mhenlo who's in Consulate Docks and tell him that you want to travel to Lion's Arch.

Mar 18, 2008, 09:48 AM // 09:48	#6
Ben-A-BoO Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Europe	The Problem Could be that he created another account instead of merging the key with the account he already activated. Then indeed he can't go back ... But since you say "he can't go back" i assume he is on an old character in the new campaign ... in that case follow the above examples. Have fun, Timebandit

Mar 18, 2008, 10:54 AM // 10:54	#7
Iuris Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2006 Guild: Crazy ducks from the Forest Profession: W/	To recap the possibilities: First, with the Nightfall access key, one can either add the access key to an existing account, merging both accounts (one set of characters, can play in both areas), OR one can create a separate account which will allow only access to Nightfall (nightfall areas only and separate nightfall characters). If you need to log in with a different login name/password, the second may have happened. If so, contact the official support if they can fix the error. Second: travel between campaigns is not available to freshly made characters. The character must first do a certain quest that will unlock the travel option. Perhaps your son has created a new character in Nightfall which has to yet reach the point where he is able to? Third: for characters that can travel between campaigns, map travel between the campaigns is accomplished by using the map, clicking on the boat icon, and then selecting the capital of the area you wish to travel to.

Mar 18, 2008, 11:15 AM // 11:15	#9
N1ghtstalker Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2007 Profession: E/	if he makes a char in Proph and later one in NF he can't switch yet but if he unlocks the other continents with his chars then he can go from one campaign to another with his chars it's really easy tho

Mar 18, 2008, 11:39 AM // 11:39	#10
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	If you could answer these questions, it would help out a lot: 1) Can your son name some towns and outposts he has reached in both Prophecies (GW1) and Nightfall? 2) Did he definitely add the Nightfall key to his existing account instead of creating a new account with a new E-mail and password? 3) Which profession(s) does he use, and where are they situated right now? As others have said, he might be missing the boat on the world map (press M). He can click on this to travel in between continents and it will take him to Lion's Arch or Kamadan Jewel of Istan. These are the two 'main' towns of Prophecies and Nightfall.

Mar 18, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39	#13
ecaspar Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2008	hi and thanks just tugged him in so i can only give this info he added the key to his existing account I think he has 4 players - all different My suspicion about missing quests is somehow confirmed - so I will try push him that way with some of the ideas you have given me Thanks If he (and I ) get stuck i will get back here - this forum is full of helpfull people.... :-) and I must say I trust him - a lot for the sexual part it's easier that he's not yet to familar with english so he asks for adult help (me and mum) to translate certain parts. so we are a part of it. The violence is not that bad - when you hold it against other games - like Counter strike which i play together with him on public servers. He is a tough one.. in a good way

Mar 18, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33	#14
dargon Furnace Stoker Join Date: May 2005 Guild: The Seraphim Knights [TSK] Profession: R/	One thing, how many character slots (both empty and full) does he have. You say he has 4 players, does he have 2 empty slots where he could make 2 more characters? If not, then he didn't add the key to his existing account correctly.

Mar 18, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34	#15
Hammer Drawn Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005	My 10 year old daughter also plays this game. Maybe some parents just need to lighten up a bit about "protecting" their kids from society. Id MUCH rather have all the questions asked now then after its too late cause she was never exposed to anything. And I agree, the violence is nothing compared to most console games that people let their kids play. Not any blood, missing body parts, etc. Yeah just my two cents Glad to know I am not the only parent that plays games online with my kid!

Mar 19, 2008, 04:21 PM // 16:21	#16
ecaspar Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2008	to dargon he has 6 slots now.... so i'm sure it was added... I so very much agree with u Hammer... Both my kids have their own computers and then we have a common one in our livingroom which is the preferred on for both my kids. Playing here automaticly generates severel quistions so we can give them the answers when the problem occur.. And it works great ! And i finf it amuzing to play with them as well it's a win-win !

Mar 19, 2008, 04:34 PM // 16:34	#17
quickmonty Ancient Windbreaker Join Date: May 2005	So glad to see parents who participate and monitor their children's play time. It is surely a win-win.