Should a PvE Warrior Use Major Runes? - Guild Wars Forums

Sir Tidus · Mar 24, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Generally, in PvE, should a warrior use major runes for his weapon attribute and/or strength? Or should he just stick to minor attribute runes? Is the health loss worth it? Thanks.

ogre_jd · Mar 24, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

One major rune's fine. Two? I'm not brave enough to try. :P

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 24, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39

You can use a major weapon rune if you want but the extra damage doesn't pay off in the end. Strength doesn't need a boost.

Sir Tidus · Mar 24, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04

But aren't there like a million ways to gain extra health?

Wirt · Mar 24, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Well, ive had a superior rune on my warrior from way back when the prices of the runes were huge. I might just either be too lazy or too proud to remove it now, haha. However, the warrior has made it through all campaigns fine, and he AB's fine (havent done much RA with him). Could he survive better with minors, eh yea maybe, but pve wise you can make it just fine.

So in otherwords, with one major rune, you can make it just fine.

Numa Pompilius · Mar 24, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Superior weapon rune and superior vigor here, then full radiant and a zealous weapon to let him spam You Move Like A Dwarf! and Vanguard Assassin. I dont know if its optimal but he vanquishes like a sonofabitch.

In short, I dont really think you need to minimax in PvE.

DarkGanni · Mar 24, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

I use a Major weapon rune on headpart, the rest all minors, except Absorption since that doesnt have drawbacks. As a warrior I like high health.

- Ganni

Stormlord Alex · Mar 24, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

I've got major strength gauntlets kicking around for when I want the 14 strength breakpoint on [skill=text]enraging charge[/skill].

Really though, you'd take a major rune if you need to hit a breakpoint generally.

miskav · Mar 24, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Tanking in PvE is ''Easier'' with lower HP (holding Aggro is easier) So in that sense, the major would be helping you.

Otherwise, 1 major is enough.

DarkKnight · Mar 24, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

For general PvE i don't use anything that sucks health. For something like Obby tanking and running i use a Sup rune. But for general PvE i dont see the use. If you really want to its not gonna make you suck but honestly the bonuses a warrior receives for that one attribute point were not worth it. Its really personal preference/what build you run but for the most part id say there is too little benifit to justify giving up health.

ogre_jd · Mar 25, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by miskav

Tanking in PvE is ''Easier'' with lower HP (holding Aggro is easier)

Hmmm. Now there's a thought... When I'm ready to get some decent max armor (instead of the half-Krytan collectable, half-Tyrian maxes I have now), or at least a pair of cheap maxes as spares, I might just have to try out a couple of Superior attribute runes for my pathetic little Earth Shaker/Crude Swing hammerite...

angmar_nite · Mar 25, 2008, 03:34 AM // 03:34

a COUPLE?????

Please no.

Thorondor Port · Mar 25, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22

I use all minors. +1 gives like 2 extra damage to sword attacks. big deal. ill take the health

Sir Tidus · Mar 25, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56

So what are you guys saying then? Either one major or none? By the way, how many attributes do you guys use? Because I use four, so maybe I should use more major runes to boost my attributes (though I will always make sure that my health is at least 480).

angmar_nite · Mar 25, 2008, 05:05 AM // 05:05

3. You better have an amazing stable proven build to go any higher.

Targuil · Mar 25, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Tidus

So what are you guys saying then? Either one major or none? By the way, how many attributes do you guys use? Because I use four, so maybe I should use more major runes to boost my attributes (though I will always make sure that my health is at least 480).

I suggest to stick with max 3 attributes (12 to weapon and something to something else) and i suggest to raise your health by 100 if you have ~480.

Draginvry · Mar 25, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50

IMHO, I only run majors or superiors on warriors to meet breakpoints. This is usually for Strength, since most of my axe attack skills don't have any character-breaking breakpoints. Unless you are meeting a breakpoint for the insignia or for a skill, you are probably not doing anything but sacrificing a large amount of health for a negligible increase in damage.

Of course, warriors are so buff anyway that you can probably afford a hit to your health in PvE, so it mostly comes down to preference. If you want to have 15 Sword Mastery so you can run around all like "I am teh warrior who makes teh monstars fall daown lolz" then it probably won't make much of a difference anyway.

I'd still take the health unless the extra spec was giving me another second on one of my stances.

Luminarus · Mar 25, 2008, 06:42 AM // 06:42

4 is too many attributes, the only time I ever seen 4 attributes work well is on monks using healing, prot, divine favour and shadow arts (return). Even then its just 4 in shadow arts.

In order to decide whether to use a Major/sup rune or not look at it this way.

What do I gain from it? In the case of a weapon, probably like 1 extra dps, max.
What do I lose from it? 35 - 75hp

Is it worth it? Usually no.

The only time its worth it is for breakpoints, or 55ing. The only class I ever use a sup on is necro for mming for the 16dm breakpoint.

Sir Tidus · Mar 25, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Three Questions:

1. I'm a W/Mo. If I were to use 3 attributes, then which 3 should I use?
2. Most people say that you shouldn't use a monk attribute, but then what's the point of the secondary profession then?
3. I also thought about just sword and strength, but I only have prophecies and EotN, so no lion's comfort. This means that without tactics or monk attributes, I will not have any defensive or healing skills. What would you guys suggest for me?

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 25, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

/Mo on a warrior is only really good for [skill]Mending Touch[/skill]

In PvE you don't really need a secondary.

I run superior runes in PvE unless it's serious business (DoA etc)

Mar 24, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23	#1
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Should a PvE Warrior Use Major Runes? Generally, in PvE, should a warrior use major runes for his weapon attribute and/or strength? Or should he just stick to minor attribute runes? Is the health loss worth it? Thanks.

Mar 24, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39	#2
ogre_jd Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canadia Profession: W/	One major rune's fine. Two? I'm not brave enough to try. :P

Mar 24, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39	#3
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	You can use a major weapon rune if you want but the extra damage doesn't pay off in the end. Strength doesn't need a boost.

Mar 24, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04	#4
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	But aren't there like a million ways to gain extra health?

Mar 24, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04	#5
Wirt Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2007 Guild: Conscripts of Ascalon Profession: W/	Well, ive had a superior rune on my warrior from way back when the prices of the runes were huge. I might just either be too lazy or too proud to remove it now, haha. However, the warrior has made it through all campaigns fine, and he AB's fine (havent done much RA with him). Could he survive better with minors, eh yea maybe, but pve wise you can make it just fine. So in otherwords, with one major rune, you can make it just fine.

Mar 24, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15	#6
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Superior weapon rune and superior vigor here, then full radiant and a zealous weapon to let him spam You Move Like A Dwarf! and Vanguard Assassin. I dont know if its optimal but he vanquishes like a sonofabitch. In short, I dont really think you need to minimax in PvE.

Mar 24, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16	#7
DarkGanni Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Malta Guild: [CuTe] Profession: E/	I use a Major weapon rune on headpart, the rest all minors, except Absorption since that doesnt have drawbacks. As a warrior I like high health. - Ganni

Mar 24, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20	#8
Stormlord Alex Grotto Attendant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm] Profession: W/E	I've got major strength gauntlets kicking around for when I want the 14 strength breakpoint on [skill=text]enraging charge[/skill]. Really though, you'd take a major rune if you need to hit a breakpoint generally.

Mar 24, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27	#9
miskav Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: None Profession: Mo/	Tanking in PvE is ''Easier'' with lower HP (holding Aggro is easier) So in that sense, the major would be helping you. Otherwise, 1 major is enough.

Mar 24, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37	#10
DarkKnight Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2008 Guild: The Seven Deadly Profession: W/E	For general PvE i don't use anything that sucks health. For something like Obby tanking and running i use a Sup rune. But for general PvE i dont see the use. If you really want to its not gonna make you suck but honestly the bonuses a warrior receives for that one attribute point were not worth it. Its really personal preference/what build you run but for the most part id say there is too little benifit to justify giving up health.

Mar 25, 2008, 03:34 AM // 03:34	#12
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	a COUPLE????? Please no.

Mar 25, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22	#13
Thorondor Port Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: British Columbia Profession: W/	I use all minors. +1 gives like 2 extra damage to sword attacks. big deal. ill take the health

Mar 25, 2008, 04:56 AM // 04:56	#14
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	So what are you guys saying then? Either one major or none? By the way, how many attributes do you guys use? Because I use four, so maybe I should use more major runes to boost my attributes (though I will always make sure that my health is at least 480).

Mar 25, 2008, 05:05 AM // 05:05	#15
angmar_nite Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2007 Guild: [SNOW] of [YUM] Profession: E/	3. You better have an amazing stable proven build to go any higher.

Mar 25, 2008, 05:50 AM // 05:50	#17
Draginvry Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2007 Guild: The Underground PvP Society (PVPS) Profession: N/Mo	IMHO, I only run majors or superiors on warriors to meet breakpoints. This is usually for Strength, since most of my axe attack skills don't have any character-breaking breakpoints. Unless you are meeting a breakpoint for the insignia or for a skill, you are probably not doing anything but sacrificing a large amount of health for a negligible increase in damage. Of course, warriors are so buff anyway that you can probably afford a hit to your health in PvE, so it mostly comes down to preference. If you want to have 15 Sword Mastery so you can run around all like "I am teh warrior who makes teh monstars fall daown lolz" then it probably won't make much of a difference anyway. I'd still take the health unless the extra spec was giving me another second on one of my stances.

Mar 25, 2008, 06:42 AM // 06:42	#18
Luminarus Furnace Stoker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Haze of Light [pure] Profession: R/	4 is too many attributes, the only time I ever seen 4 attributes work well is on monks using healing, prot, divine favour and shadow arts (return). Even then its just 4 in shadow arts. In order to decide whether to use a Major/sup rune or not look at it this way. What do I gain from it? In the case of a weapon, probably like 1 extra dps, max. What do I lose from it? 35 - 75hp Is it worth it? Usually no. The only time its worth it is for breakpoints, or 55ing. The only class I ever use a sup on is necro for mming for the 16dm breakpoint.

Mar 25, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19	#19
Sir Tidus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jan 2008	Three Questions: 1. I'm a W/Mo. If I were to use 3 attributes, then which 3 should I use? 2. Most people say that you shouldn't use a monk attribute, but then what's the point of the secondary profession then? 3. I also thought about just sword and strength, but I only have prophecies and EotN, so no lion's comfort. This means that without tactics or monk attributes, I will not have any defensive or healing skills. What would you guys suggest for me?

Mar 25, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23	#20
RhanoctJocosa Legendary Korean Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO] Profession: W/	/Mo on a warrior is only really good for [skill]Mending Touch[/skill] In PvE you don't really need a secondary. I run superior runes in PvE unless it's serious business (DoA etc)